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Post by two on Aug 1, 2011 8:42:32 GMT -5
American Science on the Master Mixes is great
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Post by gabby on Aug 1, 2011 9:16:28 GMT -5
American Science on the Master Mixes is great Yeah! Love the Skin Trade remixes as well. Vertigo falls a bit flat for me.
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Post by errbt on Aug 1, 2011 9:40:48 GMT -5
I get that there's room in the world for more than one type of remix. It's just that the term "Remix" shouldn't even be used for most of them, as they are often nothing more than the vocal track (and if we're lucky, MAYBE an instrument or two) from the original song, with a completely different song (or just beats) under it, sometimes completely clashing with (or even destroying) the melodic intent even of the vocals. Perhaps "reinvention" would be a better term...or unfortunately "homogenization" in many cases! You can take completely original, unique and different songs by various artists, and with the modern "remix" style, tear away all those unique differences, put them to one of a few standard beats, and they all sound the same...I don't see the allure in that, although I get that I'm probably outvoted in this. Hell, many of my favorite bands, including Duran and U2, seem to love having this done to their music. I don't see why there can't also be more traditional remixes done alongside, though. Actually, if groups would just release the multitracks along with (or maybe even included with) their singles, as Radiohead did on In Rainbows and Duran did with AYNIN, I guess fans could make their own more traditional remixes (as well as any wild flights of fancy they want to take). Like I said, the world is big enough for all tastes. I may agree with you in some respects that there are a lot of generic remixes out there. That though I believe is mostly down to lazy producers cashing in on a trend. Remixes are designed to be played in clubs and at parties and dj's in particular will blend a track into their own club style which may not be to everyone's taste. A hook will be taken out and repeated with the remix artists palette of sounds and style of variation. Entire vocal track are usually hacked to pieces and instrumentation warped beyond recognition but as I say they are mostly served to make people dance...not think! A lot of the early 80's remixes we're very different to the remixes that came along several years later which is mainly down to a shift in music technology and sampling, and the 80's we're indeed very very quick in musical terms as a revolution of musical styles and genres. Before then people we're so very used to a band consisting of a singer a guitarist a drummer and a bass player and the idea that anyone could 'steal' a bit of someone else's music and shout over it seemed completely alien and was much derided by 'real' musicians of having no artistic merit whatsoever, but hip-hop rose from that very idea which lead onto to other musical styles, such a drum and bass, electronica, breakbeat, techno, electro etc ad infinitum! It's horses for courses, of course. One mans meat is another mans poison and remixes, re-works re-rubs divide opinion down the line where it seems like a track is a sacred cow and should not be for consumption but worshiped to the recycling and cannibalism of tracks to create new art forms! However I do think Duran Duran hit the nail on the head with their own early sound and as artists I understand the need to experiment and change and not be content with churning out the same sort of track time and time again. I'm not entirely sure if Duran Duran would have existed to day had they stuck 'steadfastly' to their original sound and not moved on. It was however, very refreshing for them to return to their roots with AYNIN as they are a hugely influential part of popular culture through the 80's and have inspired thousands of people me included) to be in bands, make music and dj, and many of them are trying to re create that early 80's feel, not just the Duran Duran sound. The hangover form the 80's is still here (and has been for the last ten years!) and people are still in love with the analogue sounds created from those early synth and sampling years. somewhat off topic but I thought I'd point out a handful of contemporary remixes off the top of my head that are IMO better than the original (and some of them I think have elements of DD in there) Paris (Aerolplane Remix) - Friendly Fires Williams Blood (Aeroplane Remix) - Grace Jones Girl and the sea (cut copy remix) - The Presets e-talking (nite version) - Soulwax high pressure days (Rory Philips remix) - The Units My Moon My Man (Boys Noize remix) - Feist forever dolphin love (erol alkan remix) - Connan Mockasin (actually I really wish any of these remix artists would please take some classic DD tracks and give them a new spin! it would certainly open DD up to a younger audience) Great points, great post!
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Post by giannis on Aug 1, 2011 10:27:41 GMT -5
American Science on the Master Mixes is great Yeah! Love the Skin Trade remixes as well. Vertigo falls a bit flat for me. i like the mantronix mix of vertigo. vertigo is a very cool song.
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Post by Dew on Aug 1, 2011 12:10:20 GMT -5
I agree. It disappoints that DD remixes of late seem less like reinterpretations than simply attempts to slot the song in a variety of popular dance music styles. One exception was the Johnson Somerset \ John Monkman remix of Girl Panic. They turned that song on it's head entirely! I also really liked the Perfecto mixes of OOMM, and the Americruiser remix of Electric Barbarella. That said, I think all the Night Versions (81-82) were very inspired. Nile Rogers did a great job improving The Reflex. I'd like to see interpretations of AYNIN (album) by: Felix da Housecat Cut Copy Hot Chip Tom Middleton Ladytron Glass Candy (actually I really wish any of these remix artists would please take some classic DD tracks and give them a new spin! it would certainly open DD up to a younger audience)
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Post by gabby on Aug 1, 2011 12:14:02 GMT -5
I agree. It disappoints that DD remixes of late seem less like reinterpretations than simply attempts to slot the song in a variety of popular dance music styles. One exception was the Johnson Somerset \ John Monkman remix of Girl Panic. They turned that song on it's head entirely! I also really liked the Perfecto mixes of OOMM, and the Americruiser remix of Electric Barbarella. That said, I think all the Night Versions (81-82) were very inspired. Nile Rogers did a great job improving The Reflex. I'd like to see interpretations of AYNIN (album) by: Felix da Housecat Cut Copy Hot Chip Tom Middleton Ladytron Glass Candy (actually I really wish any of these remix artists would please take some classic DD tracks and give them a new spin! it would certainly open DD up to a younger audience) You've had one of your wishes: Tom Middleton. Not that impressed with it myself. Yes, I agree, Perfecto mixes were great and the Americruiser Mix. I also liked the Electric Sex Mix. I also think the Johnson Somerset \ John Monkman Remix is really good too.
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Post by kyyx4ever on Aug 4, 2011 12:24:11 GMT -5
I'd like to see interpretations of AYNIN (album) by: Felix da Housecat Cut Copy Hot Chip Tom Middleton Ladytron Glass Candy [/quote] Oh yeeeaaahhhh, totally agree ! Could you imagine the deliciousness ?
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Post by derekduran on Aug 4, 2011 13:14:31 GMT -5
the best one since the 80's is the Oakenfold mix of OOMM- which is actually better than the original
I have a vague recollection of some ok mixes of Drowning Man, but aside from that they've been consistently crap since the US Master Mix (or whatever it was called) of All she wants is
I find even the early 80's remixes hard going now- the exceptions being Hold Back the Rain and Girls on film
I think Depeche Mode have set the bar pretty low with remixes- there is one version Barrel of a Gun which I'm sure is white noise
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