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Post by nileblogers on Apr 26, 2014 21:31:30 GMT -5
I agree Coolbarn DDs best music is when a great guitar riff is mixed prominently in the track and it's pretty common knowledge that Andy's riffs were a major reason why they broke the US. This new album sounds exciting with John and Dom (Being Followed and Runway Runaway are great Duran riffs!) being involved and with the choir as well I think this album is going to sound stadium sized!!!
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Post by Tin on Apr 26, 2014 22:41:54 GMT -5
The collaboration seems to be generating a lot of international press/buzz as well.
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Post by nileblogers on Apr 27, 2014 0:53:05 GMT -5
The collaboration seems to be generating a lot of international press/buzz as well. Instant rock cred for the band if they release a song with John on it first. If they can get him in the video, hey presto, it'll be like Thank You and RCM never happened!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 10:08:21 GMT -5
Dave Gahan "saw something"Today I've discovered that one of my favourite guitar solos I've heard last years is played by John Frusciante. It's the 1st single from last Dave Gahan solo record, "Hourglass", a song called "Saw Something". Take a listen.. Thanks for that info. I always loved that song and the guitar solo is beautiful, never realized it was Frusciante
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Post by mynick7 on Apr 27, 2014 14:50:22 GMT -5
I love reading your posts, CB and I get them. Everyone has an opinion about what DD albums/songs they like and dislike. As I've stated before, I like everything they've done because each is a step in a different direction. I like that. No one is going to sway my opinion...so I get it. You're drawing comparisons and that's cool.
The part that people get upset about is that you bash when bashing isn't needed. Just bring up a particular song and talk about why it's DD/JF/RHCP sound or connection. Going on and on about the reason you don't like RCM doesn't make a connection...
I agree about the guitar and the 1st album; the ingredients the original five had were fantastic and magical. However, I've enjoyed the progression of synths on their albums. Andy, Warren and Dom have all done excellent work in their own rights. But I'm not hearing as much guitar in the past few albums and it really doesn't bother me. If JF brings something outstanding to the table that will make me take interest in the guitar "part" again, great! I'm not a huge CP fan but I know a few of their songs. Duran does work well with others artists so this can prove to be a kick butt album!
I love reading your posts. You state you point(s) very well.
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Post by jamieaiken919 on Apr 27, 2014 15:32:38 GMT -5
The part that people get upset about is that you bash when bashing isn't needed. Just bring up a particular song and talk about why it's DD/JF/RHCP sound or connection. Going on and on about the reason you don't like RCM doesn't make a connection... Exactly. It really is unnecessary when you do it just for the purpose of bashing something.
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Post by coolbarn on Apr 27, 2014 16:14:45 GMT -5
Thank you Mynick7, that was a very intelligent and well thought out post. I agree and will do my best to cut RCM a fraction more slack in the future, not because I don't believe what I'm saying, but because I'd much rather keep the peace in this awesome community we have going. As mentioned I always prefer to explain my position if I say something negative about Duran Duran. In my opinion there is nothing worse than somebody simply posting "RCM sucks" or "Liberty blows" or "Pop Trash is poo" and that's it. I don't expect people to crap on as much as I do, Mark couldn't afford the bandwidth if everybody wrote like me, but I do at least expect them to explain WHY they think that. Of course by doing this it means you're often repeating yourself. That sucks for the regulars who can get sick of hearing the same bollocks from me, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that every poster here remembers much about me and all my likes and dislikes. That's why I'll often repeat themes, as many of us do, in case there is a new poster here (or old poster who hasn't visited in a while) who may be up for some spirited debate/discussion. In terms of the progression of synths on Duran's albums, I actually think the better Nick has become over time, the (slightly) less enjoyable the keyboard parts have become. Or more to the point the number and complexity of keyboard parts has increased to the slight detriment of the other instruments. In music I'm a big believer of the KISS principle, and excessive keyboards layers often don't adhere to this principle. As mentioned I love Duran's music most when it's a little rockier, and riff-based, either bass or lead. But that doesn't mean I love all songs that are guitar-heavy, they still have to contain those magic melodies that can't get out of my head. Classic case in point - Safe from AYNIN. Theoretically it should be one of my favourites, as it ticks most of the boxes. Decent bassline - check. Funky guitar chords - check. Suitable keyboards - check. But the overall melody doesn't grab me and its tempo is a little stop-start, so I actually find it one of the weakest tracks on AYNIN. Similarly Liberty was a very guitar-heavy album, and while I like it a lot more than many people here, it's still not a patch on Duran's debut album. So a Duran Duran "guitar album" doesn't automatically grab me; it still has to have the melodies and songwriting first and foremost. Warren Cuccurullo is an amazing guitarist. And he helped keep the band together in the early 90s, so I have a lot of gratitude for him. But to my mind he used so many effects it was sometimes difficult to differentiate him from Nick, and that's not a good thing. I prefer my guitar riffs to sound tough and ballsy; bells and whistles are best left to the World Blind Cricket Council. So I think having a class songwriter and performer like John Frusciante involved can only benefit Duran Duran. One thing I love about his guitar parts is that it actually sounds like a real guitarist playing a real guitar. He doesn't rely on tricks and effects to make his instrument sing, he simply plays it in a way where the guitar is the hero (and that's not easy in a band where one of the best bass players in the world performs ridiculous, show-stealing basslines that adhere to the theory "More is more" ). In fact I'd argue it's John's Yin to Flea's Yang that have helped make The Red Hot Chili Peppers such a good band over the years.
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Post by madoldlu on Apr 27, 2014 20:08:18 GMT -5
As far as Coolbarn saying he hates RCM, I really didn't see it as an unnecessary rant. He clearly (and humorously) stated that despite him hating the album, that there is at least one song that he actually does like. And that one song ties in to the conversation in that it sounds like a RHCP songs to him. Him stating his dislike of the album RCM helps put his statement about liking She's Too Much into context. Honestly I didn't think he said anything that sounded like he was just taking a cheap shot at RCM, but I maybe I'm not as sensitive to it.
Incidentally, I happened to be watching the Duran Songbook interview on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnV9uMSMs0), and they did an excellent live rendition of the Valley, which leads me to believe that the biggest problem with RCM could be just the production (and the horrendous, horrendous Nite Runner and Skin Divers). There are actually some pretty good songs in there somewhere, and I'd love to hear a better producer try and re-do those songs for them.
And back to John Fruscinate, I too like their more guitar-riff-y songs, so I'm anxious to hear what they come up with. As fantastic as I think AYNIN is, I feel like it was a little light on the guitars, despite it being called Rio Part 2. How funny that there was no HLTW or HBTR counterparts!
And MorePlayTimeThanMoney, that is about the only RHCP songs that I like! My friend had made me a CP mix tape back in 1991(!), and that was the one song I actually liked.
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Post by mynick7 on Apr 27, 2014 22:33:37 GMT -5
I totally agree with you about explaining your personal POV, CB. It makes for a decent post and it helps others understand.
Now see, I prefer the more complexities in Nick's synth progression. I believe that while AYNIN is a nod to their earlier work (and is NOT a "Rio 2" as many have dubbed it), it does show Nick's 30+ years of growth. I guess it was "harnessed" by Ronson, maybe? I am totally nuts over TMWSAL both musically and lyrically, and could listen to it forever. It's the keyboards, drums and bass meshing together in a perfect way...a musical orgasm. With that being said, I don't like the fact that he can't play it live by himself.
Like I said, I don't particularly focus on the bass or guitar unless it really catches my ear...whether it be a solo or a riff. If John F can do magic with our boys, that'll be awesome!
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Post by secondalibi on Apr 28, 2014 5:52:01 GMT -5
John Frusciante working with DD? Really not sure about this. I have never liked the RHCP as I can't stand their "sound". Fingers crossed this works.
- G.
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