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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 3:48:08 GMT -5
I think he's referring to commercial success of the albums in general, since he's always crying like a little girl after each release. Every time an album comes out they're full of how proud they are and a year later they burn the album to the ground. So much for credibility. So that's why I think it's just the cold hard cash. He's obviously confusing creative achievement with commercial success.
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Post by trevgreg on Nov 4, 2014 12:36:39 GMT -5
I think he's referring to commercial success of the albums in general, since he's always crying like a little girl after each release. Every time an album comes out they're full of how proud they are and a year later they burn the album to the ground. So much for credibility. So that's why I think it's just the cold hard cash. He's obviously confusing creative achievement with commercial success. It's not always about the money. I highly doubt the band thought they were going to sell a million copies of AYNIN in the end, since that's just not how the record industry operates these days. And if money is where it's at, they self-released that one anyway, so it's likely that they received a lot more on that one than any of the other recent ones released on Epic. Like I tried mentioning several times in other places, musicians are always going to judge their own work differently than someone else's. They're not going to hear the songs they created the same way that we do. And if you think this is specific to DD, that's certainly not the case. Almost every other band will hype up the new material because it's the most recent or the stuff being promoted (and hence, the most 'exciting' in their eyes, as it's something they just created). Then they will look back on older work and pick out the things that frustrated them after the shine of being new has faded a bit. It's the same thing for almost everyone other act out there.
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Post by madoldlu on Nov 4, 2014 20:22:32 GMT -5
I'll never forget an interview with Nick for A View to A Kill when he referred to the movie as "one of the better Bond films"! Yep, they'll say anything in order to sell records. For the record, I *hope* JT was talking about RCM. But if he was talking about AYNIN, I would love to hear from him and the rest of the band why they weren't happy with the album. But I mean like a thorough, technical, analytical critique. Go song by song and tell me what it is that they feel didn't work or what they could have done better. And how do they feel about AYNIN compared to other albums. But I want them to be 100% honest and not give me that non-committal answer that they can always do a little better.
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Post by coolbarn on Nov 4, 2014 23:01:33 GMT -5
But I mean like a thorough, technical, analytical critique. Go song by song and tell me what it is that they feel didn't work or what they could have done better. And how do they feel about AYNIN compared to other albums. But I want them to be 100% honest and not give me that non-committal answer that they can always do a little better. Totally agree. I mean I spend, at a bare minimum, three hours every week typing up responses on this and the LizardKing boards. Many of you know of the novels that I can bore anybody with, and how I enjoy engaging in deRhodes/discussions with anyone who could be bothered. As I have mentioned I support a wife and two kids with one full-time job and two part-time ones, and don't make one cent from the time I spend online. It's totally a labour of love - I'm not in the band, but I will make the time to get involved in the great Duran Duran communities. If I can do it, surely the band can find the time as well? I mean the internet and smart devices are everywhere, surely the guys aren't busy 100% of the time for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. Surely they could put as much thought into their replies, and type as often as many of us do? Duran Duran is THEIR baby after all! If the regulars here can put in the time to discuss meaty, controversial topics, then surely the band can do the same thing? Pick some hard-hitting questions from Ask Katy, and answer them in detail. Don't just type one or two sentences that any drone could spit out, really get into the question and answer it honestly. If it is a little controversial then so be it; if it is the truth then it won't be classified as slander. That would impress me. That would really make Ask Katy a great vehicle to keep in touch with the band, and endear them to me ever further as a fan. As it is, Ask Katy is too hit and miss, and generally the latter. For every 10 Ask Katys there would be lucky to be one interesting and intelligent answer, 3 are simply jokes or a piss-take of the question giver, and 6 where I read it and think "Hmm, I really wish they explained that in a little/lot more detail.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:16:46 GMT -5
Like I tried mentioning several times in other places, musicians are always going to judge their own work differently than someone else's. They're not going to hear the songs they created the same way that we do. And if you think this is specific to DD, that's certainly not the case. Almost every other band will hype up the new material because it's the most recent or the stuff being promoted (and hence, the most 'exciting' in their eyes, as it's something they just created). Then they will look back on older work and pick out the things that frustrated them after the shine of being new has faded a bit. It's the same thing for almost everyone other act out there. Well if that was the case, they would certainly by now hate to play their best known hits. Although these days bands indeed don't make that much money on sales anymore, they certainly do need hit singles. Having a hit makes more demand for the band for bookings, which ultimately generates their income. And besides, having a current hit ensures a successful supporting tour too. I just think being so critical about your own stuff doesn't do much good for either your credibility and your business. And judging by his reply, I think the rest of the band was not amused he brought it up all together.
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Post by trevgreg on Nov 5, 2014 11:51:54 GMT -5
I don't think they're against having a 'hit' song these days, but they would also know how difficult that would be for an act without some sort of gimmick behind it. You could argue that they tried that during the Timbaland/Timberlake collaboration, but since they're record company didn't even promote any of those songs as singles, the idea there was pretty moot in the end.
Truth be told, the band probably doesn't even need a 'hit' to ever sell a tour again. They could just play the hits, do whatever, and still have a consistent fan base out there which will go to their shows and buy their merchandise. The fact that they do release any new material at all, in light of that, is a pretty good thing.
In terms of never criticizing older material, consider the comments they made towards "My Own Way" in recent years. And they've even pulled that one out a few times in the late 00's. Or how they thought "Seven and the Ragged Tiger" was a bad title with the benefit of hindsight. I wasn't trying to imply that they are nitpicky about every single song from the past or won't play them live as a result. But when you do dozens of interviews over the years and say a bunch of different things, it doesn't surprise me if at least one or two of them would strike a fan as odd every so often.
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