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Post by derekduran on Nov 13, 2014 8:24:58 GMT -5
it sounds of it's time, I could see this coming out in 1985
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Post by rasscass on Nov 14, 2014 1:32:02 GMT -5
where are the brass / orch hit samples from ( on both this and the original), the film soundtrack itself (this theme song being one of the last things to be written for it), orch5 / orch2 on the Fairlight CMI ( plus blending with other samples) or something more obscure? ShutterHaze Its unlikely NR used samples from the Fairlight factory library. More likely Jonathan Elias provided him with bespoke sample instruments. Keyboard, 1986: Are the horns on "Election Day" real or sampled? The saxophone is real; that's Andy MacKay. The Fairlight horns were sampled from a compact disc, but I'm not telling you which one, because I'd get into trouble. Yet that big Fairlight brass sound on "The Flame" that you spoke of earlier has become kind of a trademark of yours. Yeah, maybe because of "A View To A Kill." I first started experimenting with that sort of high, brassy, abrasive sound on "Union Of The Snake", and I think it has a great emotive value.
You also sometimes use jazzy voicings that give that sound an even more distinctive quality. There are actually two different sorts of brass sounds on "The Flame," because when I first sampled what I wanted, it had a natural fourth in the sound.Where did you get that one? It came from an old orchestral jazz record. I don't even know what it was; I just went through it to find which sounds I liked best. It's good fun to sample off of records sometimes, and the interesting thing is when you find something that isn't a pure note. You can get the most bizarre effects by putting it on top of your music. I've sampled things in the past with notes that I don't even recognize in chords, things I might never have used except at one point in one song. I never would have thought of putting a fourth at the end of "The Flame" without that sample. It changed my approach to that particular song.
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Post by Dr Of The Revolution on Nov 14, 2014 3:12:14 GMT -5
I have asked Katy, and the answer was: NOT BAND APPROVED AT ALL. So something has been approved, but not to be pressed on vinyl or anything after nearly 30 years. Maybe and probably she was referring to the fact it came out on a bootleg CD. If EMI (or whoever took over EMI) had wanted to release it the band might not have approved either. There also wouldn't have been anything they could do about it. But they would've gotten paid. Oh : I strongly believe the left and right channels are reversed on AVTAK on Unleashed. Mixing decisions are free of course, but the guitar is in the opposite channel compared to the original and the Hi-hat (and all of the drums) too. Which makes it more likely the channels are reversed. >Interesting read on AVTAK on gearslutz<
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Post by ShutterHaze on Nov 16, 2014 18:24:45 GMT -5
where are the ...etc... ShutterHaze Its unlikely NR used samples from the Fairlight factory library. More likely Jonathan Elias provided him with bespoke sample instruments....etc... ng. Nice one, RassCass, I like a bit of musicians' dialogue on these boards!! ShutterHaze, London England
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Post by ShutterHaze on Nov 16, 2014 18:28:53 GMT -5
For the avoidance of any doubt: - 1) The band must have commissioned the mix in the first place (because of access to the master tapes) 2) Evidently they heard it and (quite rightly) concluded that it was terrible. 3) It is 90% likely that Steve Thompson did it 4) It wasn't released 5) JT regrets, presumably, not that *this* 12" was not released but that *a decent* 12 " was not released.... 6) It is "of it's time" and, come on folks, let's face it, shite.
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Post by figital on Nov 16, 2014 21:31:01 GMT -5
For the avoidance of any doubt: - 1) The band must have commissioned the mix in the first place (because of access to the master tapes) 2) Evidently they heard it and (quite rightly) concluded that it was terrible. 3) It is 90% likely that Steve Thompson did it 4) It wasn't released 5) JT regrets, presumably, not that *this* 12" was not released but that *a decent* 12 " was not released.... 6) It is "of it's time" and, come on folks, let's face it, shite. ShutterHaze >>1) The band must have commissioned the mix in the first place (because of access to the master tapes that is not strictly true. i think the reality here was that capitol (or maybe emi) commissioned the remixes thinking that the band would be fine with it. since they had always had remixes for prior tracks, why would the label expect anything else? and the band doesn't hold the masters, the label does. so that wouldn't be an issue. they would have had to get the commissioning started even before the track was finished, so they must have had some ideas and steve thompson had to get his foot in the door somehow. so i suspect he got the masters when the track was done, but before it was released. but by the time he would have turned his mix in, the label could have found out the band didn't want a remix and the thompson mix would be shelved, possibly with the label never even hearing or keeping a copy of it. by the time the song came out, the band had expressed that they didn't want any remixes and the label had no choice but to capitulate. so that doesn't mean that the durans have for sure heard it. i think they said; 'no remixes' and then the label would have just stopped soliciting and shelved whatever they had had turned in...so i guess they may have heard it, but i think based on jt's replies over the years, he hadn't heard it. but i bet he has by now... in the end, i think the person did the original mix is the one who leaked it out. and in fact, i think this is the case in nearly all the bootlegs that come out for nearly any band. most times producers just want to have the work that they believed and submitted for consideration heard. and a lot of times so long after the fact, people need money too. and one of the biggest issues i've seen in this thread is the confusion over what is official. as has been said before, i would say that if it was commissioned by the label or the band and was not used, it still technically counts as official. i feel that the more evidence for any given item, the more legit it should be considered. so for this AVTAK mix, seeing the image of the tape box and reading all the details makes me think it's legit. so that means there may also be a lot of mixes from the time of the GOF/RIO issues in the 90s are floating around, unreleased as well...
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Post by intravenus on Nov 17, 2014 0:41:59 GMT -5
It is "of it's time" and, come on folks, let's face it, shite. While it may not meet your standards, this is actually a decent remix for 1985 (I'd say on par with Wild Boys and better than Goodbye Is Forever extended versions). Sure the drum sample is irritating, but the rest of the mix is classic multitrack deconstruction with great exposure of elements and a very satisfying instrumental section near the end. My guess is at least 80% of fans would approve
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Post by Dr Of The Revolution on Nov 17, 2014 2:55:28 GMT -5
I like the mix but that's mainly because it offers an alternative listen. The added percussion is not that great. I don't think the mix is of the same quality as the 12 inches that preceded it.
The drum sound is not sounding as strong as the 7 inch : After recording the song in London, the multitrack was taken to New York and mixed at The Power Station studio by the same team that made The Power Station album. The large drum sound (cfr The Power Station album that was recorded around the same time) was achieved by sending the drum recording through an elevator shaft there and recording the resulting reverb. It's a technique that Bernard Edwards used often.
The remix for AVTAK was done in Paris in presence of Simon and Nick who were working there on the Arcadia album. So one could say that the 7 inch mix is The Power Station mix and this 12 inch version the Arcadia mix !
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Post by duranalley on Nov 18, 2014 11:26:26 GMT -5
Ugh. Cannot play in the US. Are there any other links or a PM with a d/l link?
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Post by oakey on Nov 18, 2014 14:52:12 GMT -5
Just one comment on the artistic quality of the AVTAK 12" remix. To me, it is of the same quality as the 12" mixes for Union of the snake, New moon on Monday and Is there something I should know? Meaning that these are all decent, yet highly dated remixes. Probably I would rate the AVTAK 12" as one of the better ones of these. In no way are these remixes meeting the standards set by the earlier Night versions nor with the best 12" remix ever, the Wilder than Wild Boys Extended Mix. I think JT agrees as he also stated that he was not happy with some of their (then) recent 12" mixes. I'm pretty sure he does not mean the WTWBEM or The Reflex Dance Mix... (however, one never knows of course, as they are now suddenly 'not happy' with how AYNIN turned out : Then again, tastes differ of course
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