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Post by mynick7 on Sept 2, 2015 15:08:09 GMT -5
Duran Duran don't have typical standards. Every album has a different direction. I like that.
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Post by resonantfire on Sept 2, 2015 15:08:43 GMT -5
One should be strong enough mentally for someone to call an album "crap". That's part of any artists' job (and fans). Not everyone is going to like what you like. get over it. I agree with this, I have a guy in one of my bands right now... you can't give him and feedback/criticism after a gig about something he may need to fix up or the audience didn't respond well to it. if you do he lashes out at you and gets all shitty.... f___ those guys
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Post by stepintothefuture on Sept 2, 2015 15:20:57 GMT -5
Duran Duran don't have typical standards. Every album has a different direction. I like that. You missed the whole scope of my post. I know every album will have a different direction and that's not my point. When the band decides to go in a different direction, they need to continue with the same standard as in presenting the band playing, as a whole, and not outsourcing or substituting synths that can be easily done by the members themselves. The album sounds artificial and diluted as a result. As for the stylistic approach, some of it was executed poorly based on the notion that it has been done so many times and isn't exactly the most musical sounding genre. Duran is a band with musicians, so why not use those instruments to create a fresh up to date sound without resorting to cheapened lower standard flavor of the month sounds using nothing but synths?
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Post by andre005 on Sept 2, 2015 15:23:18 GMT -5
The VMA's were a joke an embarrassment--pot talk and Miley is a joke..sorry it was all done in bad taste--and that Bieber crying after his performance..sad state of affairs..and then Kanye talking about being President--what the heck is that all about? Sad...at least Duran do things with class...
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Post by Medazzatrash on Sept 2, 2015 15:26:54 GMT -5
Duran Duran don't have typical standards. Every album has a different direction. I like that. You missed the whole scope of my post. I know every album will have a different direction and that's not my point. When the band decides to go in a different direction, they need to continue with the same standard as in presenting the band playing, as a whole, and not outsourcing or substituting synths that can be easily done by the members themselves. The album sounds artificial and diluted as a result. As for the stylistic approach, some of it was executed poorly based on the notion that it has been done so many times and isn't exactly the most musical sounding genre. Duran is a band with musicians, so why not use those instruments to create a fresh up to date sound without resorting to cheapened lower standard flavor of the month sounds using nothing but synths? Thank you. You said it better than I ever could.
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Post by mynick7 on Sept 2, 2015 15:34:35 GMT -5
Duran Duran don't have typical standards. Every album has a different direction. I like that. You missed the whole scope of my post. I know every album will have a different direction and that's not my point. When the band decides to go in a different direction, they need to continue with the same standard as in presenting the band playing, as a whole, and not outsourcing or substituting synths that can be easily done by the members themselves. The album sounds artificial and diluted as a result. As for the stylistic approach, some of it was executed poorly based on the notion that it has been done so many times and isn't exactly the most musical sounding genre. Duran is a band with musicians, so why not use those instruments to create a fresh up to date sound without resorting to cheapened lower standard flavor of the month sounds using nothing but synths? Well damn. You obviously missed the point where they all decided on this. Conventional instruments are fine. This time, they are using conventional AND electronic instruments to create something different. And it was good... But I do appreciate you going into a thoughtful explanation this time...and I respect that!
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Post by andre005 on Sept 2, 2015 15:49:35 GMT -5
Is it just me but Demi Lovato is a horrible singer live? She sounds nothing like her songs and that is not good! At least sound close live--she was horrible at VMA's...
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Post by stepintothefuture on Sept 2, 2015 16:06:35 GMT -5
No, I didn't miss the point. I know the album was intentionally created to have this sonic presentation to gear towards chart success and attract the kiddies. Even John stated that when he looked at songs in the charts, he didn't see any that contained bass guitar. I believed they tried this before with RCM and with no chart success or fan appreciation, so they lost on both ends that time. I don't hear much conventional instruments, and if so, it is so sparsely used that it isn't noticeable on a causal listening basis. As far as it being good; well that's your opinion, and you are entitled. Peace. I do love 'Change the Skyline' and 'Butterfly Girl'...
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Post by zealous on Sept 2, 2015 16:15:24 GMT -5
Well damn. You obviously missed the point where they all decided on this. Conventional instruments are fine. This time, they are using conventional AND electronic instruments to create something different. And it was good... But I do appreciate you going into a thoughtful explanation this time...and I respect that! Ya know, I'm actually really enjoying this album despite the lack of traditional instrumentation. But, to your point about them deciding to forgo the use of traditional instruments for electronic, I totally agree with you that it was a band decision to do this. However, I feel like the use of electronic instrumentation does not license an artist to become boring and/or unimaginative. Nick gets a lot of flack. A LOT. But one thing I will say about him is that keyboards are HIS instrument and he's not boring in his use of them. He's always creative even if it becomes overshadowing. And with this album I would say he has grown considerably in his ability to actually play this instrument, as well as create with it. But with the rhythm section for this album, the electronic substitution has not produced something I consider "creative." It's really boring imo. I've already expressed that I like the album just fine so I don't want anyone saying I think the album is boring. But for those that are really interested in instrumentation, I can totally see why they are completely dissatisfied. Not only is there very little of the traditional, but the electronic substitution really isn't that impressive. So, if someone is saying they want Duran quality/sound, etc., perhaps they don't mean they want another RIO or AYNIN. Perhaps they mean they want the rhythm section to have that creativity they've come to associate with Duran.
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Post by stepintothefuture on Sept 2, 2015 16:26:56 GMT -5
But with the rhythm section for this album, the electronic substitution has not produced something I consider "creative." It's really boring imo. I've already expressed that I like the album just fine so I don't want anyone saying I think the album is boring. But for those that are really interested in instrumentation, I can totally see why they are completely dissatisfied. Not only is there very little of the traditional, but the the electronic substitution really isn't that impressive. So, if someone is saying they want Duran quality/sound, etc., perhaps they don't mean they want another RIO or AYNIN. Perhaps they mean they want the rhythm section to have that creativity they've come to associate with Duran. Exactly! You illustrate my point precisely! The instruments that provide the rhythm section give the song dynamic and emotion. The guitars going against the keyboards gives the song it's edge and also provides that dynamic to make a song exciting.
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