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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 15:15:31 GMT -5
Sorry,but actully what a stupid question?...before the official release.. And the answer is NOT AT ALL!! It is like said about the newborn baby that he is a misfit
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Post by errbt on Sept 3, 2015 15:35:35 GMT -5
But he ^^^^ chooses to insult a Duran album, on a Duran Duran forum no less, by calling it a 'stinking turd'. ...your point? I've described most of RCM nearly as "insultingly" in the past, as well as a few other songs like Bedroom Toys and Know It All. Hell, ask Coolbarn his opinion on any number of Duran songs he doesn't like. He uses some pretty creative descriptions to capture the depth of his distaste for them. I've never heard that bother you. So, where is the limit? If someone hates 12 Duran songs from across their career, and describes that hatred vividly, it would appear that that's OK. But if all twelve happen to be on the same album, it suddenly becomes a no-no? Seriously, sitting back and watching all this is killing my love of this forum, and NOT because of the people who dislike the new material ( regardless of their reasoning), but instead because of those whose own positive view of that same material is apparently so fragile that it requires constantly lashing out at those who disagree. It's becoming akin to a cult IMO, or at least an elitist clique. " I'm a bigger fan than you because I never question nor dislike anything the band does"..." I'm a bigger DD fan than you because X, Y, Z..." It's all bullshit. All of it. As soon as one plays the "I'm a bigger fan" card (whether stated directly or clearly implied), they've lost the argument. It's the fan forum version of Godwin's Law.
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Post by errbt on Sept 3, 2015 15:52:48 GMT -5
To follow up, if it were clear that these people who hate the new songs were just trolling, then I would understand the "Get the F*** Out" posts levied at them, but that is clearly not the case here. These are all true fans who care deeply about the band and it almost sounds like their hearts have been broken by what they perceive as a falling away from what made them love the band for over the years. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. Their feelings are real, and I don't blame anyone for lashing back out for being essentially told to "shut up" over and over again for speaking their hearts.
ps If I had a dollar for every time I see someone write "I'm done with you" or "done with this thread", only to pop back in sooner rather than later in a vain attempt to have the last word, I'd...well, have a handful of dollars...but it's still ridiculous whenever it does happen (and I have seen it four or five times just in the last couple months).
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Post by bluesilvered on Sept 3, 2015 16:18:11 GMT -5
I can honestly say I haven't had a honeymoon period with a Duran Duran album since Medazzaland. I was pretty much indifferent to Pop Trash, Astronaut, Red Carpet Massacre, and All You Need Is Now (even though it was both musically and lyrically strong) when each of them was released. Don't get me wrong, I was a faithful Duran fan and bought the deluxe editions for each, but my love and attention had faded dramatically. When I initially heard "Pressure Off," I started to feel the floodgates of indifference opening up again. Then, I heard "Paper Gods" and my interest had been piqued for a change. Soon afterwards, "You Kill Me With Silence" was revealed and I couldn't stop listening to it. The last time I did that for a Duran Duran song was during the Wedding Album. Then I heard the rest of the album and couldn't believe my ears. It's like a sonic smorgasbord. I feel like the honeymoon is in reverse for me on this album. An initial listening isn't enough to appreciate it...and we really do have to stop placing such unattainable expectations on Duran Duran. This album isn't about esoteric telegram forces or prophets justifying reasons, it's about love and loss and maturity and mortality. We're really "straddling the line" between sounding like our parents and their reactions to our music growing up AND being unflinching, curmudgeonly Statler and Waldorf types sitting up in our proverbial balconies, trashing everything the band releases now. Anyways, what I was trying to get at was that I'll take a honeymoon over indifference any day. I've already started bowing to the Paper Gods and plan on doing so for awhile. This has to qualify as post of the day! Love it! Interesting that a post that loves the album is your post of the day... you don't have to be Duran's self appointed knight in shining armour y'know... As for my view: There are some good songs, some very good songs, some bad songs and some very bad songs. The production is not to my taste because it is mastered at a far too high a level so distorts at points (modern production unfortunately) and I think Nick has over complicated certain songs and added too much. Can't hear 'traditional' musical instruments clearly (if there actually is much) as the bass is over powering. Put it this way, I think it could have been a far better, clearer sounding album than it is. And the biggest question I have for them is why did they go into RCM territory sound wise when they knew their fanbase (for the most part) thought it was terrible. Only when we hear ACTUAL instruments did we say "yes, that is the band we love". I'm not talking about being in the past, just in the same way that if the Rolling Stones put down their guitars and started playing the Ukelele instead, their fans would also be missing the Stone's 'sound'.
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Post by dtses on Sept 3, 2015 16:22:28 GMT -5
I think its a great album they are always evolving and always will the people who are hanging on to the first 3 albums sorry about ya those days are long gone
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 16:28:55 GMT -5
To follow up, if it were clear that these people who hate the new songs were just trolling, then I would understand the "Get the F*** Out" posts levied at them, but that is clearly not the case here. These are all true fans who care deeply about the band and it almost sounds like their hearts have been broken by what they perceive as a falling away from what made them love the band for over the years. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. Their feelings are real, and I don't blame anyone for lashing back out for being essentially told to "shut up" over and over again for speaking their hearts. ps If I had a dollar for every time I see someone write "I'm done with you" or "done with this thread", only to pop back in sooner rather than later in a vain attempt to have the last word, I'd...well, have a handful of dollars. Thank you so much for saying this! It really meant a lot to me. I agree that it matters not what any individual thinks or doesn't of this or any other duran duran album as long as we treat each other with respect.
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Post by bluesilvered on Sept 3, 2015 16:40:01 GMT -5
I think its a great album they are always evolving and always will the people who are hanging on to the first 3 albums sorry about ya those days are long gone ok, this keeps getting thrown around. Firstly, I'm not after something that sounds like those albums. But Ok I'll play, so, how many of the songs on this album are (a) as well produced (b) interesting or (c) well written as those albums? Evolution isn't about adding a thumpbing bass, distorting the audio (bricking) or sounding like Miley etc. Evolution is about writing and producing songs that are better than those that came before. It is certainly NOT about deciding to sound 'current' at the expense of all else. And the biggest test of 'evolution' - does this album speak to your soul? Not very much.
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Post by Rabbit Dog on Sept 3, 2015 16:53:46 GMT -5
Is the new album a let down? I've only listened to the five released tracks and I like them all to varying degrees and believe they stand up well to the back catalogue, and looking forward to Paper Gods becoming added to the soundtrack of my life.
I'm no superfan thinking everything they have done is 'the best stuff ever', but have my favourites and have my not-so-favourites - and that's only natural considering the depth and variation of style they have. I doubt an experienced and talented act like Duran (plus quality producers) could release a whole album of 'crap' even if they tried to. Not even close to it.
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Post by coolbarn on Sept 3, 2015 18:18:41 GMT -5
Don't bring Coolbarn into this either. There's no way he would describe a Duran song (or in this case, an album) 'a stinking turd'. I wouldn't even call the contents of my water closet a stinking turd. But that's only because I think my shit doesn't stink.
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Post by l0st1t2b0st1k on Sept 3, 2015 20:43:03 GMT -5
My, my, my, we have a temper, don't we, diatribein? For the record, you were the one who initially threw expletives about in an attempt to belittle anyone who disagreed with your opinion. I thought that by joining this messageboard, we would all be mature enough here to have healthy deRhodes and discussions about a band we all obviously love and not to resort to childish name-calling. Apparently, I was wrong. As for your comment that you were somehow always underground, listening to alternative before that label even existed, how did you ever come to like Duran Duran then? I'm not sure which era you grew up in but, in the '80s, Duran Duran were Top 40 and, towards the latter half of the decade, so were many of the "alternative" bands you seem to adore (The Cure's "Pictures Of You," Siouxsie's "Kiss Them For Me," etc.). Now, alternative has been institutionalized and is really no longer "alternative." As for your comment that Top 40 is somehow not youth-oriented, I must disagree. Even back in the '80s there existed "adult contemporary." So, your argument there seems to fall short. And for the record, Statler and Waldorf were from the Muppet Show, which ran new episodes until 1981, then proceeded into syndication after that. Perhaps, you're too young to have seen the show when it initially aired. However, I find it hard to believe you're so far removed from contemporary pop culture not to know what the Muppet Show is/was. So, I'll just chalk the "old" comment up as your failed attempt to insult me. Nice try though. Going into at what age I discovered each duran duran album, how I discovered them, and what they meant to me at the time versus what they mean now is fodder for a much longer post so I will leave that until a later date and give it a thread of its own. For the record you are MUCH closer to my parent's age, who are in their very early 60s, to mine and maybe that speaks to how you view TOP 40. I have no idea. I can only speak to my experience. I seem to adore Siouxsie & The Banshees and The Cure? What exactly are you getting this from? Certainly not from THIS THREAD where I listed exactly 0 albums by those groups. For the record I have 0 records by Siouxsie & The Banshees and 4 CDs (out of how many albums?!?!) by The Cure. I did see them live once and I thought it was fun, but they are not exactly my cup of tea. The bigger question here is are you so myopic as to think that because someone says they like alternative music they like these two bands? I realize that there is a genre of music now that is called "alternative", but I was mainly referring to the traditional meaning which refers to music that is outside of the mainstream. Anyway... please don't make personal insults. I insulted no one on this board and expect the same from its members. There are so many flaws in your argument, diatribein, that I don't even know where to begin. Unfortunately, you obviously want a fight and I've absolute zero time and patience for your puerility. As someone who has researched and written on the subject, your view of 1980s musical history is inaccurate and askew. Not once did I say that The Cure and Siouxsie & The Banshees were the only two alternative bands. I was using them as examples. Notice that I used "etc." after the two bands mentioned. Again with your attempts to insult me by bringing up my age. For the record (and not that it should really matter...unless you're an ageist), I'm in my early 40's and not in my 60's, but you can think what you want. Am I myopic? I think you should really be asking yourself that question. And your final line, it's a poor attempt to make yourself some sort of victim/martyr in this whole argument. YOU attacked those who simply gave the thumbs up for Paper Gods. Now, you're calling those of us who like Paper Gods "apologists" and somehow we're the ones insulting you? Give me a break. Anyways, I'm over it and you. Haters gonna hate.
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