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Post by La Princess on Nov 12, 2015 16:33:08 GMT -5
Great point Coolbarn. I completely agree, sales doesn't equal quality because some of the worst albums ever ranked #1 while some fantastic album doesn't. To put it in perspective, Pet Sounds only originally reached 10, which sounds great but in that era wasn't a huge hit, especially compared to popular artists. Sgt Pepper did reach #1 but wasn't the top album of 1967, and no singles were released.
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Post by kirklott on Nov 12, 2015 17:01:06 GMT -5
PG is a great album. Very creative, inventive, adventurous.
Along with AYNIK, it cements their place as The Fab Five, the heir to the Beatles as true artists and the greatest British pop band.
And they are the greatest British pop band of the past 35 years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 17:08:15 GMT -5
And they are the greatest British pop band of the past 35 years. I think messieurs Mercury, May, Taylor, & Deacon would have quite the argument to make with you and before we start splitting hairs between Rock & Pop, 35 years takes us to 1980 when Queen were decidedly a Pop act at the top of the charts and stayed as such until Freddie's untimely death in 1991. I think it is safe to say One of the Five Greatest British Pop acts of the last 35 years.
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Post by zealous on Nov 12, 2015 20:20:47 GMT -5
It amazes me that some fairly weak Duran albums are favourites here and yet paper gods is getting a lashing of sorts here. Is it getting a lashing? I'm thinking that those that have expressed loss of interest in PG, within this thread, have been pretty gracious where this album is concerned. Most who have commented here have given it a fair shake and some have been very passionate advocates for it. I think if they're saying they've lost some interest in it, that's simply their honest feelings about it and not them hating on it. As far as some weak albums being favorites while PG gets bashed, I haven't really noticed that. But I can't put my finger on an album before PG that I would necessarily consider a "weak" album. Some albums have more of the qualities I like than others but I don't necessarily think that makes another album weak. All I can say is this: I really like to listen to Duran songs with a strong rhythm section. I really like to listen to Duran songs with enjoyable guitar riffs (it doesn't matter if it's Andy, Warren or Dom guitar as long as it's GOOD). I really like to listen to Duran songs with interesting, more poetic lyrics and good vocals. And I really like to listen to Duran songs with pleasant, creative and innovative synth application. So, albums/songs that have these qualities are on my playlist. The ones that are lacking these qualities are not.
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Post by La Princess on Nov 12, 2015 23:20:31 GMT -5
It amazes me that some fairly weak Duran albums are favourites here and yet paper gods is getting a lashing of sorts here. Is it getting a lashing? I'm thinking that those that have expressed loss of interest in PG, within this thread, have been pretty gracious where this album is concerned. Most who have commented here have given it a fair shake and some have been very passionate advocates for it. I think if they're saying they've lost some interest in it, that's simply their honest feelings about it and not them hating on it. As far as some weak albums being favorites while PG gets bashed, I haven't really noticed that. But I can't put my finger on an album before PG that I would necessarily consider a "weak" album. Some albums have more of the qualities I like than others but I don't necessarily think that makes another album weak. All I can say is this: I really like to listen to Duran songs with a strong rhythm section. I really like to listen to Duran songs with enjoyable guitar riffs (it doesn't matter if it's Andy, Warren or Dom guitar as long as it's GOOD). I really like to listen to Duran songs with interesting, more poetic lyrics and good vocals. And I really like to listen to Duran songs with pleasant, creative and innovative synth application. So, albums/songs that have these qualities are on my playlist. The ones that are lacking these qualities are not. Me too. One thing I always liked about them was they were able to be both a guitar an d synth band. Yes they had synth but also had strong guitarists, bassist and drummer. To me this album has too much electronic sounds and not enough guitar, bass or drums. Regarding weak albums, I'm not sure what that means because each person would consider it different things. To some a weak album was an unpopular album, to an other it would be one that didn't win awards and critical acclaim and a third would say an album without a particular band member. It seems in the Duran fan community the two albums that seem to get the most negative comments would be RCM and Thank You with Pop Trash, Medazzaland, and Liberty close behind. Some of these albums are imo worse than others but I know people who hate TWA, Rio and the first album so it's all subjective.
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Post by zealous on Nov 12, 2015 23:53:04 GMT -5
Is it getting a lashing? I'm thinking that those that have expressed loss of interest in PG, within this thread, have been pretty gracious where this album is concerned. Most who have commented here have given it a fair shake and some have been very passionate advocates for it. I think if they're saying they've lost some interest in it, that's simply their honest feelings about it and not them hating on it. As far as some weak albums being favorites while PG gets bashed, I haven't really noticed that. But I can't put my finger on an album before PG that I would necessarily consider a "weak" album. Some albums have more of the qualities I like than others but I don't necessarily think that makes another album weak. All I can say is this: I really like to listen to Duran songs with a strong rhythm section. I really like to listen to Duran songs with enjoyable guitar riffs (it doesn't matter if it's Andy, Warren or Dom guitar as long as it's GOOD). I really like to listen to Duran songs with interesting, more poetic lyrics and good vocals. And I really like to listen to Duran songs with pleasant, creative and innovative synth application. So, albums/songs that have these qualities are on my playlist. The ones that are lacking these qualities are not. Me too. One thing I always liked about them was they were able to be both a guitar an d synth band. Yes they had synth but also had strong guitarists, bassist and drummer. To me this album has too much electronic sounds and not enough guitar, bass or drums. Regarding weak albums, I'm not sure what that means because each person would consider it different things. To some a weak album was an unpopular album, to an other it would be one that didn't win awards and critical acclaim and a third would say an album without a particular band member. It seems in the Duran fan community the two albums that seem to get the most negative comments would be RCM and Thank You with Pop Trash, Medazzaland, and Liberty close behind. Some of these albums are imo worse than others but I know people who hate TWA, Rio and the first album so it's all subjective. I was also thinking that a large chunk of people regard Thank You and RCM as weak since those 2 seem to have more negative feedback than others. But RCM in particular is what got me thinking about what really makes it "weak," and like you said, it's pretty subjective. I mean, I know a lot of Duran fans really really dislike the song, Skin Diver. It's not one of my all time favorites for sure but I don't mind it and don't generally skip it when it comes on. Given that, I don't know that I think it's weak album, even though I also don't put it up there on my favorites list (now I'm feeling like I need to go relisten to that album). But I guess that, relative to other Duran albums, it would be on the weaker side in my rating scale too. So if that's what people mean when they call it weak, then that makes sense to me. For the record, I refuse to know anyone who hates their first album. I have my standards
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Post by La Princess on Nov 13, 2015 0:36:26 GMT -5
Yeah to me the first two are the best. Oddly one that has gone down on my list is 7&TRT. At the time I was in love with it because it was my first DD tape (and second tape overall)but it does have a few songs that aren't all that terrific.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 4:53:51 GMT -5
Some interesting comments, I do think people have been very honest here and weak for me I suppose are albums songs that don't connect with me emotionally, which is why I'm loathe to go into specifics because it undoubtedly offends someone else and my tastes are no more valid than anyone else's. It's almost like an endorphin release and I think we all have different triggers for that. It is a matter of perspective whether you feel the vocals guitar rhythm are great or not. To suggest that fans have been gracious in their commentary might insinuate their appreciation is charitable rather than genuine (certainly not the case for me paper gods is in my top 5) and we are all really only in position to articulate our own feelings on this board which we all do so well LOL!!
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Post by zealous on Nov 13, 2015 7:57:51 GMT -5
To suggest that fans have been gracious in their commentary might insinuate their appreciation is charitable rather than genuine (certainly not the case for me paper gods is in my top 5) and we are all really only in position to articulate our own feelings on this board which we all do so well LOL!! Hm, no I wasn't trying to suggest that anyone is being "charitable". I believe people are being honest when they say they really like it or don't. I think people are being genuine in their expressions. I said gracious because I don't see anyone's negative comments, at least within this thread, as harsh or hyper-critical. In my mind, if commenters were giving the album a "lashing" that would include harsh &/or hyper-critical commenting. I haven't felt that was happening, and that's all I was trying to say.
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Post by blutarsky on Nov 13, 2015 8:06:54 GMT -5
Paper Gods has some good songs, but I am in the crowd who hasn't listened to it in a few weeks. Actually find myself going back to AYNIN and appreciating it more. PG isn't something I see going back to listen to in 5 years. With all the modern touches I dont see it having the shelf life. I like the synths, but I also like real drums, bass and guitar which seem buried.
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