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Post by drnick on May 2, 2016 12:23:17 GMT -5
Look at U2, one of the most complex shows, and they mix it up each night. Duran used to do it too........ Go to a U2 forum sometime. On this most recent tour, they were actually pretty consistent about mixing up 2-4 songs from night to night. But for some people m there, it still wasn't enough. It was either the wrong songs they were choosing to mix up, or not enough songs were being changed, "only" 7 or 8 new songs were being played each night, etc. I saw three consecutive U2 shows on the I+E Tour and got, if memory recalls, 7 or 8 different songs over the three nigts, plus loads of snippets of others over the nights. It was good, there was no one moaning around me, it was a great gig, as Duran were. I saw 5 on the Paper Gods tour in the UK, and got the same set list, the only difference being that they moved What Are The Chances from the encore to the main set. Duran are what 5 or 6 months in, and its a set thats largely the same, but with no Love Voodoo, which wasn't a crowd pleaser on the UK tour, but with Space Oddity.
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Post by trevgreg on May 2, 2016 13:13:26 GMT -5
I saw three consecutive U2 shows on the I+E Tour and got, if memory recalls, 7 or 8 different songs over the three nigts, plus loads of snippets of others over the nights. It was good, there was no one moaning around me, it was a great gig, as Duran were. I saw 5 on the Paper Gods tour in the UK, and got the same set list, the only difference being that they moved What Are The Chances from the encore to the main set. Duran are what 5 or 6 months in, and its a set thats largely the same, but with no Love Voodoo, which wasn't a crowd pleaser on the UK tour, but with Space Oddity. I saw them three times as well, although at different times (with two being in Chicago). The amount of different songs I caught was around four, I believe? I think the most songs that changed from night to night on their tour on consecutive nights were around 7, which was during their opening nights in Vancouver a year ago. There was a bit more interchanging during those first few dates on the West Coast as they played around with different songs, but their set became a bit more consistent as the tour went along. Like you said though, they were good shows, so I wasn’t complaining. My point was more that some people in fan bases will always find something to nitpick, regardless of what they get...
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Post by derekduran on May 2, 2016 15:29:09 GMT -5
Funny thing is over at the U2 forum there were endless complaints about the setlist on the last tour. I saw the show a number of times and they tended to change about 4-6 songs per night (generally more the last night in any city).
But the Duran show is heavily programmed musically and visually- more so than recent tours have been so it's not a surprise it's not changing
Go to any fan forum and there will be set list complaints- it's universal!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 16:53:22 GMT -5
This comparing to u2 is fairly irrelevant for me, I mean I'm Irish it's virtually a citizenship requirement to love u2 and Bruce for that matter and I wouldn't cross the road to see either of them, and I can see I'm in a minority here (so I'll behave) but that's a matter of taste I guess. (Well JT is with me on the Bruce thing even though he tried to do big backtrack on Howard stern on RCM promo). When you've twenty five songs that all sound the same does it really matter whats the order?!...LOL!! Re U2 It's a simple formula as documented here by Bill Bailey...
I find it interesting what other duranies like coz I think there's a commonality of taste to a degree, and possibly generational influences, and I struggle to hear that DD DNA in U2 or Bruce. I'm being a bit hard, of course there's older u2 songs I love, it doesn't have to be all about DD, but Bono is excruciating in the tiniest of doses. His ego makes Warren Cucurullo appear as self-effacing as mother Teresa. Let's look at this clip of Bono SLB and Bowie. If I was Simon I'd have given him a slap! Bowie is trying to chat to Simon and bono is all over him like a 5 year old in a school playground.
And don't get me started on EODM thing. It's difficult because in essence it's a heartfelt gesture one assumes but you can't help but feel there's a massive ego trip behind a lot of his actions. Yes I know that's a requirement of being a rock star maybe that's why other, more worthy exports from ireland such as little green cars get overlooked.
Anyway back to set lists, yeah they are regrettably short and samey, tho at least each song stands on its own merit even if we have heard it a gazillion times. And the showmanship with DD is second to none. Not all people are made equal physically or emotionally and it's clear there's enough of a toll on the band touring even as they are..... Yes I've heard Bono and Bruce are wonderful...But fundamentally I think the only way they can force feed people paper gods, thereby securing another record deal, is to pad it out with the hits. With each progressive album as their back catalogue grows that becomes increasingly difficult. Yes I hate to admit that but 95% of the audience are not going to concerts to hear the new stuff. And that's why they are getting the album with tickets too... With RCM were they flying high on back of reunion popularity? Maybe someone can answer that here, because it seems to be the one time they deviated?
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Post by math on May 2, 2016 17:02:40 GMT -5
I think the main prob is that Simon said the show would expand as time went on- become longer more tracks etc. Its just not been the case.
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Post by carnival on May 2, 2016 17:27:00 GMT -5
By the sound of things, Simon is barely able to get through the current set, so I can't see it expanding.
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Post by ttt on May 2, 2016 18:01:26 GMT -5
This comparing to u2 is fairly irrelevant for me, I mean I'm Irish it's virtually a citizenship requirement to love u2 and Bruce for that matter and I wouldn't cross the road to see either of them, and I can see I'm in a minority here (so I'll behave) but that's a matter of taste I guess. (Well JT is with me on the Bruce thing even though he tried to do big backtrack on Howard stern on RCM promo). When you've twenty five songs that all sound the same does it really matter whats the order?!...LOL!! Re U2 It's a simple formula as documented here by Bill Bailey... I find it interesting what other duranies like coz I think there's a commonality of taste to a degree, and possibly generational influences, and I struggle to hear that DD DNA in U2 or Bruce. I'm being a bit hard, of course there's older u2 songs I love, it doesn't have to be all about DD, but Bono is excruciating in the tiniest of doses. His ego makes Warren Cucurullo appear as self-effacing as mother Teresa. Let's look at this clip of Bono SLB and Bowie. If I was Simon I'd have given him a slap! Bowie is trying to chat to Simon and bono is all over him like a 5 year old in a school playground. And don't get me started on EODM thing. It's difficult because in essence it's a heartfelt gesture one assumes but you can't help but feel there's a massive ego trip behind a lot of his actions. Yes I know that's a requirement of being a rock star maybe that's why other, more worthy exports from ireland such as little green cars get overlooked. Anyway back to set lists, yeah they are regrettably short and samey, tho at least each song stands on its own merit even if we have heard it a gazillion times. And the showmanship with DD is second to none. Not all people are made equal physically or emotionally and it's clear there's enough of a toll on the band touring even as they are..... Yes I've heard Bono and Bruce are wonderful...But fundamentally I think the only way they can force feed people paper gods, thereby securing another record deal, is to pad it out with the hits. With each progressive album as their back catalogue grows that becomes increasingly difficult. Yes I hate to admit that but 95% of the audience are not going to concerts to hear the new stuff. And that's why they are getting the album with tickets too... With RCM were they flying high on back of reunion popularity? Maybe someone can answer that here, because it seems to be the one time they deviated? Bono is acting like Simon is trying to steal his prom date...
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Post by mynick7 on May 2, 2016 18:50:26 GMT -5
This comparing to u2 is fairly irrelevant for me, I mean I'm Irish it's virtually a citizenship requirement to love u2 and Bruce for that matter and I wouldn't cross the road to see either of them, and I can see I'm in a minority here (so I'll behave) but that's a matter of taste I guess. (Well JT is with me on the Bruce thing even though he tried to do big backtrack on Howard stern on RCM promo). When you've twenty five songs that all sound the same does it really matter whats the order?!...LOL!! Re U2 It's a simple formula as documented here by Bill Bailey... I find it interesting what other duranies like coz I think there's a commonality of taste to a degree, and possibly generational influences, and I struggle to hear that DD DNA in U2 or Bruce. I'm being a bit hard, of course there's older u2 songs I love, it doesn't have to be all about DD, but Bono is excruciating in the tiniest of doses. His ego makes Warren Cucurullo appear as self-effacing as mother Teresa. Let's look at this clip of Bono SLB and Bowie. If I was Simon I'd have given him a slap! Bowie is trying to chat to Simon and bono is all over him like a 5 year old in a school playground. And don't get me started on EODM thing. It's difficult because in essence it's a heartfelt gesture one assumes but you can't help but feel there's a massive ego trip behind a lot of his actions. Yes I know that's a requirement of being a rock star maybe that's why other, more worthy exports from ireland such as little green cars get overlooked. Anyway back to set lists, yeah they are regrettably short and samey, tho at least each song stands on its own merit even if we have heard it a gazillion times. And the showmanship with DD is second to none. Not all people are made equal physically or emotionally and it's clear there's enough of a toll on the band touring even as they are..... Yes I've heard Bono and Bruce are wonderful...But fundamentally I think the only way they can force feed people paper gods, thereby securing another record deal, is to pad it out with the hits. With each progressive album as their back catalogue grows that becomes increasingly difficult. Yes I hate to admit that but 95% of the audience are not going to concerts to hear the new stuff. And that's why they are getting the album with tickets too... With RCM were they flying high on back of reunion popularity? Maybe someone can answer that here, because it seems to be the one time they deviated? THANK YOU!!! Someone that feels the same as I do about U2 and Bono!!! Please don't get me wrong, I do like some of U2's older stuff as well as a few new ones, but they all sound the same! The U2 DNA is like "copy and paste" in my opinion. I went to one U2 show in 2005 and Bono ruined it by preaching for 20 minutes or so. I do not go to a concert to get preached to. I have no desire to see another show of theirs. If you want to compare, U2 has a video/show and Duran uses more of a video show. U2 has drums, guitar, bass and very little keyboards. That is the reason they can change it up. DD has the same except keyboards are more prominent part of their music. I don't see how Nick could "wing it" like the other instruments because programming is based on their set list. I'm sure certain songs are easy to pull up but throwing in a spontaneous rarity would prove to be more difficult than a hit. Back to Duran, as I said in a post earlier, I don't have any expectations when it comes to what they play live. I will be thrilled with whatever they do...because they're still doing it! There's no reason to complain because one day, they won't be touring anymore and you won't hear anything. So be happy for what you get. I was thrilled to hear them play 3 songs I never heard before in concert and one since the 80s. I was in heaven!! If I hear the same thing in Nashville and Kansas City that I did in Austin, big freaking deal. I'm still seeing them perform live, singing, screaming and dancing my ass off! Seriously... I don't get the obsession over the set list.
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Post by Xxxxxx on May 2, 2016 19:55:56 GMT -5
I expect to hear a certain number of "greatest hits" as well as the new stuff. A die hard fan is never going to get the set list of their dreams. Even with his voice on the ropes, this years show has tremendous energy and does a good job of mixing old and new, along with a few surprises. I was thrilled to hear an original version of one of my favorites, I don't want your Love as well as a nice bit of New Moon on Monday.
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Post by lesolace on May 3, 2016 10:00:49 GMT -5
It's a shame that Duran Duran's setlists are largely unadventurous, sticking to the usual big hits rather than throwing in surprise album tracks and changing things up each night. Unfortunately, it's been this way for so long that reintroducing lesser-known stuff doesn't really work. When I saw them at the 02 and "Love Voodoo" came up, I couldn't help but notice the lack of excitement in the crowd; it was as if no one had heard of it.
That said, it's important that Duran Duran's shows are enjoyable, so perhaps the status quo is for the best. I agree with what has been said thus far: It doesn't matter what songs they play. Just the fact that they're still together, still writing excellent music, putting on fabulous concerts and making people happy — that's what matters most!
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