|
Post by Tin on Apr 13, 2019 23:10:08 GMT -5
“Playing For Keeps” single questions April 13th, 2019
Dear Katy, The Arcadia track “Say The Word” (Theme for ‘Playing For Keeps’) seems to have been recorded later than the SO RED THE ROSE album…was it a track they adapted for the PFK soundtrack or was it specifically written and recorded for the movie ? Did Roger drum on it, and if he didn’t drum on it – who did ? Yours rhythmically, IzzY World
“The song “Playing for Keeps” was mostly recorded at the same time as the rest of the SO RED THE ROSE album…it was a B-Side, and was originally called “Annie’s War.” While Nick and Simon don’t remember if that version of the song still exists, when they were asked to contribute a song to the soundtrack of PLAYING FOR KEEPS they decided to adapt that piece of music. At that point, the lyric was changed to “Say the Word.” Neither Nick or Simon believe that Roger played the drums on this particular track, they believe it was Steve Jordan. Katy”
|
|
|
Post by missing on Apr 14, 2019 7:26:31 GMT -5
From the promo 12" (signed by Simon) that I saw on eBay for a few years, Simon had signed "I liked this better as "American War"...
Where the hell did Katy get "Annie's War" from?!
|
|
redmumba
PAPER GOD
Nonabuser of ellipsis
Posts: 3,535
|
Post by redmumba on Apr 14, 2019 9:48:23 GMT -5
While Nick and Simon don’t remember if that version of the song still exists You know, most bands care about the stuff they put out and will try to remember details about releases. It makes me wonder, how much interest and input did they have with the reissues that were put out for Duran Duran through Big Thing? Just a fleeting interest? I would think that the band, when doing reissues, would at least devote a couple of weeks or so to going back into the vaults to find the gems. If they can't be bothered, then get the real fans out there who are deep into the sh/t and have the knowledge to dig into the archives to find those songs. A mutual friend of mind did this for one band we like and was able to liberate a few gems that hadn't seen the light of day on any previous compilation - he even did the liner notes for the CD!
|
|
|
Post by Rabbit Dog on Apr 14, 2019 11:55:16 GMT -5
There's still an untitled Arcadia instrumental that never saw the light of day as it never got a final mix. Pity they didn't polish it off for the SRTR reissue.
|
|
|
Post by intravenus on Apr 14, 2019 13:00:53 GMT -5
From the promo 12" (signed by Simon) that I saw on eBay for a few years, Simon had signed "I liked this better as "American War"... Where the hell did Katy get "Annie's War" from?! I just found the promo 12" image at listingshistory.com and it actually appears to read: This was always better as Annie's WarAttachment Deleted Attachment Deleted(click to open larger images)
|
|
blaahh
PAPER GOD
Still breathing
Posts: 2,578
|
Post by blaahh on Apr 14, 2019 13:48:24 GMT -5
Interestingly saw China Crisis live at the weekend and Gary Daly told a story that Virgin had lined them up with the theme song to a film in 1985/6. It was called 'Best Kept Secret' and the song was done and sent over (UK no 36 hit in 1987) The band forgot about it, until the film was released at the cinemas, now called 'Playing For Keeps' and were mightily annoyed to find themselves dumped to the closing credits. Wonder when Arcadia were involved?!
|
|
|
Post by riomar on Apr 14, 2019 15:42:29 GMT -5
Neither Nick or Simon believe that Roger played the drums on this particular track, they believe it was Steve Jordan. Katy”
Why not ask Roger himself.....?
|
|
|
Post by intravenus on Apr 14, 2019 16:24:24 GMT -5
|
|
trevgreg
PAPER GOD
[Mo0:17]
Posts: 2,613
|
Post by trevgreg on Apr 14, 2019 16:34:52 GMT -5
You know, most bands care about the stuff they put out and will try to remember details about releases. It makes me wonder, how much interest and input did they have with the reissues that were put out for Duran Duran through Big Thing? Just a fleeting interest? I think members of the band have clarified before that the reissues are mostly the label's decision, but that they are allowed some input into whatever comes out. I recall one of the reps from the label/company who actually owned the music doing an interview once, and saying that Nick was someone in particular who was consulted about things and who took a particular interest in whatever would happen. In terms of it being "fleeting" or not, well... these are 50-something year old men who are already busy enough trying to write new albums and play 100+ dates per tour, among personal and family matters going on. I'm sure they do what they can (and that's given the fact that they don't own the music outright). But it's not like they're just laying around with a lot of free time on their hands either. I would think that the band, when doing reissues, would at least devote a couple of weeks or so to going back into the vaults to find the gems. If they can't be bothered, then get the real fans out there who are deep into the sh/t and have the knowledge to dig into the archives to find those songs. A mutual friend of mind did this for one band we like and was able to liberate a few gems that hadn't seen the light of day on any previous compilation - he even did the liner notes for the CD! I suspect there's a little bit more to it than that, honestly. For one, this band's been around for 40-some years. Nowadays, acts coming up might only have to rely on what's on their laptop and a few external hard drives for all the music they've ever recorded. All in a customized or somewhat-decipherable order of folders and such. For DD and other bands, who have used countless forms of technology and studios over the years, I don't imagine it's that easy. It's probably hundreds (thousands?) or recordings scattered about in everyone's possession. And while I'm sure a lot of it might be in the EMI containers and whatever, the question becomes if it's just sitting around in its own thing or is it one of many thousands of boxes the label's held from its acts over the years? Who knows? Heck, if you read the interviews on what Prince's vault is up to these days, there's still people trying to go through it and figure out what's what and where goes where. And while, granted, he was someone who recorded at a legendary pace... they've also made note that he didn't exactly notate everything to the date, and what exactly it was, etc. Stuff like that takes work. And think of that story where Nick said he couldn't find the master tapes to his TV Mania project, and just came across them one day while trying to find Medazzaland outtakes? If that's the case, I can't really imagine there being much structure in how those things were kept track of, particularly if it's much older than that. And while it'd be fun to imagine a "super fan" going through it and listening to it all, I'm not sure if it'd be that easy. Would they have the knowledge of how to sift through and actually play the tapes? Would they really be up for listening to ten different takes of the same song on the same day (I'm sure there are, haha... but you know what I mean). While fun on the surface, I don't know if that job is as sexy as it's kind of made out to be. That and, if I'm the band, I probably want to have at least some approval on what actually comes out. Stuff like "demos" and such are enough to make a person salivate. But as a creative type, you're also putting a part of yourself out there. And I can see where some would wonder if it's worth the time to put it out there if you're not that comfortable with it in the first place.
|
|
|
Post by missing on Apr 14, 2019 18:05:53 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of "Annie's War" at all. Going to pretend that I never saw that - I much prefer "American War"
|
|