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Post by aftertherain on Jul 20, 2019 20:54:25 GMT -5
Now this version is not right too..Warren, Joe and wes are drowning out Simon.too loud...yes Warren better guitar..but I think with time Dom will play this better... Partly agree Andre with "Warren better guitar" here ! However IMO its not Warren's fault or Joe's that they're drowning out Simon but rather "they" who are in charge of the gigs mixing console. TBH, I didn't think SLB was that drowned out, thankfully the band are very tight here. Just wondering? How much time does Dom need ? Coz he's been in it since 2006, playing as soon as AT gave up.................again !
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Post by andre005 on Jul 20, 2019 22:24:50 GMT -5
Now this version is not right too..Warren, Joe and wes are drowning out Simon.too loud...yes Warren better guitar..but I think with time Dom will play this better... Partly agree Andre with "Warren better guitar" here ! However IMO its not Warren's fault or Joe's that they're drowning out Simon but rather "they" who are in charge of the gigs mixing console. TBH, I didn't think SLB was that drowned out, thankfully the band are very tight here. Just wondering? How much time does Dom need ? Coz he's been in it since 2006, playing as soon as AT gave up.................again ! How long has Dom been playing AOT? I think he nails many songs..yes not perfect..but Andy butchers OW and CU..so I think each his own..but I still think even as good as Warren was ..other than Wedding Album..where did the guitarist take the band musically? Not very far???
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Post by aftertherain on Jul 21, 2019 1:44:12 GMT -5
This is not about where WC took the band musically Andre
This is about agreeing with you that in this AOT version W does a better job than DB, you yourself mentioned it and I agreed.
You have ignored my question which is how long does Dom need ? Remember DD with WC in it hadn't played AOT much either?
With time it's likely that DB will be DD's longest serving "SESSION" musician. So how long does he need? to get it to the standard which you yourself mentioned WC played AOT better.
Trust me, I "love" some of Dom's work in particular, what he did on Falling Down, I loose myself in that Hendrix guitar every time I hear it. Last time I spoke with him I told him this too.
However when he plays "new religion" just to name one and gives it that bluesy sound, well that to me is so far away from the DD sound, it ain't funny.
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Post by andre005 on Jul 21, 2019 2:30:30 GMT -5
This is not about where WC took the band musically Andre This is about agreeing with you that in this AOT version W does a better job than DB, you yourself mentioned it and I agreed. You have ignored my question which is how long does Dom need ? Remember DD with WC in it hadn't played AOT much either? With time it's likely that DB will be DD's longest serving "SESSION" musician. So how long does he need? to get it to the standard which you yourself mentioned WC played AOT better. Trust me, I "love" some of Dom's work in particular, what he did on Falling Down, I loose myself in that Hendrix guitar every time I hear it. Last time I spoke with him I told him this too. However when he plays "new religion" just to name one and gives it that bluesy sound, well that to me is so far away from the DD sound, it ain't funny. You should have asked him can he hear the songs on the albums and play them as they are intended? Why didnt you ask him about NR?
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Post by aftertherain on Jul 21, 2019 5:01:14 GMT -5
This is not about where WC took the band musically Andre This is about agreeing with you that in this AOT version W does a better job than DB, you yourself mentioned it and I agreed. You have ignored my question which is how long does Dom need ? Remember DD with WC in it hadn't played AOT much either? With time it's likely that DB will be DD's longest serving "SESSION" musician. So how long does he need? to get it to the standard which you yourself mentioned WC played AOT better. Trust me, I "love" some of Dom's work in particular, what he did on Falling Down, I loose myself in that Hendrix guitar every time I hear it. Last time I spoke with him I told him this too. However when he plays "new religion" just to name one and gives it that bluesy sound, well that to me is so far away from the DD sound, it ain't funny. You should have asked him can he hear the songs on the albums and play them as they are intended? Why didnt you ask him about NR? Umm based on what NR allowed both WC (in particular) including AT to do, I believe nick appreciates both rock n alternative art rock as in what we hear on the LPs TY, Medaz, Pop T including Astro etc so IMO I don't believe it's nick holding any guitarist back for that matter, therefore why would I ask the genius Mr Rhodes that? Do you think DD including NR said to Dom "please DON'T play any Hendrix style on Falling Down" or do you think Dom said "I can play Hendrix style on Falling Down" & therefore DD including NR said "well go ahead then let's see you do it". Think about it ? Anyway Im still waiting to know how much more practice time Dom requires, From your goodself, it's the 3rd time I've asked, yet something tells me I won't get my answer & for the record I won't be asking for a 4th time either. & Please don't think I'm having a dig at Dom either, I'm just saying that IMO he isn't as versatile in regards to the DD catalogue. Like, the "entire DD catalogue" I mean !
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Post by trevgreg on Jul 21, 2019 10:08:48 GMT -5
However IMO its not Warren's fault or Joe's that they're drowning out Simon but rather "they" who are in charge of the gigs mixing console. I've listened to enough bootlegs and been to enough shows where I know this can be a huge part of it. I think for most tours, it can be pretty consistent since they likely have the same people at the console over a period of time. But for things like, say, TV shows and the like, it can vary drastically since there's so many variables there. In terms of Dom's playing of Anyone Out There, after watching this video... It seems like he's playing the parts technically like the album version. The Dm variations and the Dm-F-C-G riffs all appear to be right. The only thing that I could think of as being technically different is the tone. But again, that depends on just about everything... who's playing, the guitar and amp set-up being used, the type of precision you play these things with, etc. Unless you're the original guy doing it AND have that background to have fans justify whatever you're doing, you're almost never going to be 100 percent in the eyes of whoever. That being said, I think the band does give Dom some leeway in terms of how he interprets things. And maybe that's because they've always had some turnover at the position anyway over the years - at least relatively speaking, since Dom's quickly coming up to Warren's length of time in being a touring member of the band! But after playing and hearing this stuff for so long myself, I'm pretty sure Dom's capable of playing everything as close to verbatim as possible. He's just too experienced not too. I'll put it this way: if the band gave Dom a soundboard copy of everything Andy played with the band in 2005 - or Warren/etc. for the songs he worked on - and said "Figure out a way to play this as close to this style and tone as humanly possible," he'd probably be able to do it. I just don't think that was ever a priority in the band's eyes (and for most other bands, it probably isn't anyway). And, maybe, they don't want to just impose one style of play on a guy's natural playing ability. The one song I can think of as an example is "Nice". Dom's always played the main riff a bit differently that what Andy plays... and since even I can play what Andy does on the album, there's really no reason why Dom couldn't either. But like I said, I think it's just one of the things where the rest of the band goes "meh" and moves on from it. Kind of like Warren did when he didn't play stuff like Planet Earth verbatim either (although, as pointed out, stuff like Anyone Out There and such came pretty close). Or Andy when he did Come Undone, etc. But yeah... I think it's always going to be something where people are just different people. Even when I've tried to record instrumental demos of Duran songs at my home, I can get stuff relatively close if I play around with the presets, know the chords, and so forth. But it's never going to 100 percent sound like them because, simply put, I'm not them. I can't time things to the "t" in every case or play the Ordinary World lead lines with the pull-offs and hammer-ons finesses that Warren does. That and the fact that I have maybe 3 percent of the talent of these guys, but my point stands!
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Post by trevgreg on Jul 21, 2019 11:55:36 GMT -5
I don't think I said anywhere that no one was entitled to an opinion (nor was the post directed to anyone in particular). Like anything in life, you enjoy what you do and what you don't. Along with everyone else on here, I just offered my own perspective.
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Post by intravenus on Jul 21, 2019 12:13:51 GMT -5
In terms of Dom's playing of Anyone Out There, after watching this video... It seems like he's playing the parts technically like the album version. The Dm variations and the Dm-F-C-G riffs all appear to be right. The only thing that I could think of as being technically different is the tone. Thanks for posting that video, Dom actually sounds very good here aside from some brief shakiness before the vocals kick in. The tone is a bit tinny, but it's a bootleg so I'm sure it sounded a lot better in person. Such a great song and would probably have done better on the charts than Careless Memories. They should really be playing it more often, along with New Religion.
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Post by gabby on Jul 21, 2019 14:27:32 GMT -5
If that was me playing on stage, I would be quite happy with my performance.
However, we're talking about a seasoned session musician here who has been with DD since the end of the reunion. It's his job to nail those parts (especially when they are technically easy) and find the right tones for their songs.
I also agree with trevgreg, his New Religions have been poor as well and I hate what he does on OW with those little verse fills.
I'm fine if people enjoy Dom's contributions though. Unfortunately, I'm not usually impressed. Would love to see DD mix up the guitarists for the next album, I enjoyed SJ and JF on the last album.
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Post by aftertherain on Jul 21, 2019 16:55:38 GMT -5
However IMO its not Warren's fault or Joe's that they're drowning out Simon but rather "they" who are in charge of the gigs mixing console. I've listened to enough bootlegs and been to enough shows where I know this can be a huge part of it. I think for most tours, it can be pretty consistent since they likely have the same people at the console over a period of time. But for things like, say, TV shows and the like, it can vary drastically since there's so many variables there. In terms of Dom's playing of Anyone Out There, after watching this video... It seems like he's playing the parts technically like the album version. The Dm variations and the Dm-F-C-G riffs all appear to be right. The only thing that I could think of as being technically different is the tone. But again, that depends on just about everything... who's playing, the guitar and amp set-up being used, the type of precision you play these things with, etc. Unless you're the original guy doing it AND have that background to have fans justify whatever you're doing, you're almost never going to be 100 percent in the eyes of whoever. That being said, I think the band does give Dom some leeway in terms of how he interprets things. And maybe that's because they've always had some turnover at the position anyway over the years - at least relatively speaking, since Dom's quickly coming up to Warren's length of time in being a touring member of the band! But after playing and hearing this stuff for so long myself, I'm pretty sure Dom's capable of playing everything as close to verbatim as possible. He's just too experienced not too. I'll put it this way: if the band gave Dom a soundboard copy of everything Andy played with the band in 2005 - or Warren/etc. for the songs he worked on - and said "Figure out a way to play this as close to this style and tone as humanly possible," he'd probably be able to do it. I just don't think that was ever a priority in the band's eyes (and for most other bands, it probably isn't anyway). And, maybe, they don't want to just impose one style of play on a guy's natural playing ability. The one song I can think of as an example is "Nice". Dom's always played the main riff a bit differently that what Andy plays... and since even I can play what Andy does on the album, there's really no reason why Dom couldn't either. But like I said, I think it's just one of the things where the rest of the band goes "meh" and moves on from it. Kind of like Warren did when he didn't play stuff like Planet Earth verbatim either (although, as pointed out, stuff like Anyone Out There and such came pretty close). Or Andy when he did Come Undone, etc. But yeah... I think it's always going to be something where people are just different people. Even when I've tried to record instrumental demos of Duran songs at my home, I can get stuff relatively close if I play around with the presets, know the chords, and so forth. But it's never going to 100 percent sound like them because, simply put, I'm not them. I can't time things to the "t" in every case or play the Ordinary World lead lines with the pull-offs and hammer-ons finesses that Warren does. That and the fact that I have maybe 3 percent of the talent of these guys, but my point stands! Fair enough point TG like I said in my post I appreciate Dom's playing in FD
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