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Post by poptrash on Aug 14, 2019 8:22:20 GMT -5
Yeah but the other members pay someone to keep track of their own history... ;-)
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Post by bwkk on Aug 14, 2019 11:26:56 GMT -5
ATR i understand it seems really weird but i think you need to keep in mind that he probably forgot the exact timeline of things since many years gone by. We fans remember every little bit they ever done and said in interviews and nobody should tell us when records were released but for him it was 'just' a job. I really dont blame him for not having some years mentioned correctly. Plus my best guess is he setup his fscebook page by himself and not by a 'Katy' or someone else. Ok then, so because he set it up his FB page himself he forgot that he recorded Astronaut? which wasn't that long ago in my book Anyway the thing is, it ain't my problem, but his considering he forgot about the reunion, the Astro LP and consequent tour I'm just saying for a bonafide guitarist it's disappointing. Heres the the other thing if all the DD members had his attitude, eg quit when the going got tough and went to live on an island we wouldn't have a DD...............now would we ! You know how sometimes someone could speak so passionately about something that they actually appear psycho to the point that they discredit themselves and reinforce the opposite point? I think you are there. This was a thread that simply pointed out the man is on facebook, and for some reason for the millionth time you need to say "He has only been on 4 DD albums, not that important". To suggest that Facebook is a forum where one's career path needs to be outlined thoroughly is assanine!! I'm on facebook and I don't mention my jobs there. Also, I would like to think that most of us aren't so simple to think "Duran good, Andy bad". Duran and Andy crossed paths for a few glorious years, and that is the way it was meant to be. Their paths were not meant to be long term bonds, but that does not mean that either would have been as successful if their paths never crossed at all. Often in life when paths diverge there are hard feelings, that does not mean one side is right and one is wrong. I would think that most people do not put an effort on their facebook pages to high lite aspects of their life that are no longer relevant to them. Its like you want to say :he has only been on 4 albums" so bad that you will direct any conversation there. Over the years I have read almost every post ever made on this forum. I associate yours with potential replies like below: 1. Its Andy's birthday. Reply by ATR: He has only played on four albums. If he was truly relevant to Duran then maybe I would care. Now Warren, that man is relevant. When is his birthday? 2. Andy saves someone from choking. Reply by ATR: People save other people every day. I mean, I'm happy the person was saved but why is this on our forum. You guys are aware that Andy only played on 4 albums right. (Forgetting the importance of the first three) He is barely more important to Duran's history then Sterling. Now Warren was a true trooper. I'm sure he would have done the same thing as Andy if he was there. Moderator, could we please filter threads about Andy because he is not that relevant to Duran. This then starts another Andy vs Warren thread, which although is redundant it does add life here during slow times (which is most of Duran time). My point is, if you need to always beat Andy down, at least pick your spots to sound more credible. Maybe my reply here was not necessary, but this one just tipped me over the edge. We also need more entertainment here lol.
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Post by La Princess on Aug 14, 2019 15:12:05 GMT -5
To be honest, I was surprised he is on Facebook, because if I recall he used to be but ran into some trouble. In an irony, back around 2006 or so on MySpace (remember that page?) he was following me and many other fans. My opinion of him changed often through the years, back when he left DD I considered him a traitor, how dare he, etc. Then again he was always my least favorite member because I was a hormonal teenager. When he left again in 2006-2007 I agreed with him for standing up to his principles. The other members of DD seemed to want popularity, even to put out an album that was disappointing to many of the fans. He believed differently and the reasons he left to begin with flared up again. This time, I was much older and completely agreed because I do think RCM was disappointing. I don't agree that he has to even mention Duran Duran, that is history. I never or rarely mention the company I started over 20 years ago because it's in the past and not relevant to today. My resume has the last 4 jobs I had and the only reason I list four is because the last one was an impressive job in a field I am planning on returning to. Some people don't want to dwell on the past. In my opinion he was an important part because he was there during the height of their popularity, and it doesn't matter how many albums he played on. There are many bands with a member who played on only a few albums who are considered important. For example, Syd Barrett was only on the first two Pink Floyd albums, yet is considered important.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 16:52:30 GMT -5
It's great that Andy's moved on and not constantly repeating the name Duran Duran to relight his career, even though their next album for the 40th really needs to fit in with their highest rating albums, All You Need Is Now should have been released for 2020, as this was really Rio part 2 and everyones favourite since The Wedding Album.
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Post by aftertherain on Aug 14, 2019 17:57:40 GMT -5
Ok then, so because he set it up his FB page himself he forgot that he recorded Astronaut? which wasn't that long ago in my book Anyway the thing is, it ain't my problem, but his considering he forgot about the reunion, the Astro LP and consequent tour I'm just saying for a bonafide guitarist it's disappointing. Heres the the other thing if all the DD members had his attitude, eg quit when the going got tough and went to live on an island we wouldn't have a DD...............now would we ! You know how sometimes someone could speak so passionately about something that they actually appear psycho to the point that they discredit themselves and reinforce the opposite point? I think you are there. This was a thread that simply pointed out the man is on facebook, and for some reason for the millionth time you need to say "He has only been on 4 DD albums, not that important". To suggest that Facebook is a forum where one's career path needs to be outlined thoroughly is assanine!! I'm on facebook and I don't mention my jobs there. Also, I would like to think that most of us aren't so simple to think "Duran good, Andy bad". Duran and Andy crossed paths for a few glorious years, and that is the way it was meant to be. Their paths were not meant to be long term bonds, but that does not mean that either would have been as successful if their paths never crossed at all. Often in life when paths diverge there are hard feelings, that does not mean one side is right and one is wrong. I would think that most people do not put an effort on their facebook pages to high lite aspects of their life that are no longer relevant to them. Its like you want to say :he has only been on 4 albums" so bad that you will direct any conversation there. Over the years I have read almost every post ever made on this forum. I associate yours with potential replies like below: 1. Its Andy's birthday. Reply by ATR: He has only played on four albums. If he was truly relevant to Duran then maybe I would care. Now Warren, that man is relevant. When is his birthday? 2. Andy saves someone from choking. Reply by ATR: People save other people every day. I mean, I'm happy the person was saved but why is this on our forum. You guys are aware that Andy only played on 4 albums right. (Forgetting the importance of the first three) He is barely more important to Duran's history then Sterling. Now Warren was a true trooper. I'm sure he would have done the same thing as Andy if he was there. Moderator, could we please filter threads about Andy because he is not that relevant to Duran. This then starts another Andy vs Warren thread, which although is redundant it does add life here during slow times (which is most of Duran time). My point is, if you need to always beat Andy down, at least pick your spots to sound more credible. Maybe my reply here was not necessary, but this one just tipped me over the edge. We also need more entertainment here lol. I'm not saying that face book is a career path, someone else mentioned that and I responded to it, all I'm saying is that "if" AT is going to put part of his career on face book why not do it justice and include all his MAJOR efforts? Fact is Andy hasn't put the reunion or his brilliant work on astronaut or its subsequent tour. Between 2001 & 2006 AT was in DD........FACT ! IMO AT being in DD ought to have been AN HONOUR for him, Just as it was and still is Roger's, Nick's, John's & SLBs Yet it's OK for him to dismiss this fact ! Well not in my book. I'm on the side of the four hearts that currently beat in DD who claim that there is an unworkable gulf between them. Yet you or anyone else (& because of the split) has the choice to be on which ever side they want/believe what they want. It's a free world. You are free to believe what you want just as I am. I'll keep my thoughts regarding your particular threads including your personality to myself, I'd like to ask that you please offer me the same courtesy. In future don't elude me to being simple, psycho, (like how dare you I'm a fellow DD enthusiast just as you are & besides you don't even know me) or recommend that my potential replies include this or that, including going to the trouble of creating an analysis of my posts with hypothetical responses. And to top it off you call me asinine, yes I had to look it up, I'm not the most astute person on the planet & honest enough to admit it. asinine /ˈasɪnʌɪn/ adjective 1. extremely stupid or foolish. 2. synonyms: 3. stupid, foolish, pointless, brainless, mindless, senseless, doltish, idiotic, imbecilic, imbecile, insane, lunatic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, preposterous, nonsensical, fatuous, silly, childish, infantile, puerile, immature, juvenile, inane, witless, half-baked, empty-headed, unintelligent, half-witted, slow-witted, weak-minded; Thanks heaps, bwkk, truth of the matter is, I'm not, you know. Perhaps it's better I know what bwkk thinks of me anyway. Like where on this thread have I said WC is better? In other posts I confess I have been known to say that has WC contributed more to DD coz album wise he has. Gee wizz I never know my posts were taken as gospel. Infact you don't have to read my posts if you don't wish to, honestly I won't mind. This board ought to be about DD, those present & past members, (&future perhaps), the DD's influences, art etc and not an analysis of the various board member's personalities which TBH we truly don't know. My posts are saying how could he not consider (on his FB page) his DD period 2001 - 2006, coz IMO AT played SOME EXTRAORDINARY STUFF during that time. To dismiss this period doesn't do him or DD any justice, and I didn't think that it needed to be spelt out. But there you go, I've spelt it out ! Again To dismiss this period doesn't do Andy or DD any justice. Within this thread I have also stated "I DONT HATE ANDY" however you may have missed it? Lastly, I'm not the one who's posted "Maybe my reply here was not necessary, but this one just tipped me over the edge". Thing is, I felt it necessary to respond to your post considering your comments & opinion in regards to my personality
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Post by bwkk on Aug 14, 2019 19:44:09 GMT -5
You know how sometimes someone could speak so passionately about something that they actually appear psycho to the point that they discredit themselves and reinforce the opposite point? I think you are there. This was a thread that simply pointed out the man is on facebook, and for some reason for the millionth time you need to say "He has only been on 4 DD albums, not that important". To suggest that Facebook is a forum where one's career path needs to be outlined thoroughly is assanine!! I'm on facebook and I don't mention my jobs there. Also, I would like to think that most of us aren't so simple to think "Duran good, Andy bad". Duran and Andy crossed paths for a few glorious years, and that is the way it was meant to be. Their paths were not meant to be long term bonds, but that does not mean that either would have been as successful if their paths never crossed at all. Often in life when paths diverge there are hard feelings, that does not mean one side is right and one is wrong. I would think that most people do not put an effort on their facebook pages to high lite aspects of their life that are no longer relevant to them. Its like you want to say :he has only been on 4 albums" so bad that you will direct any conversation there. Over the years I have read almost every post ever made on this forum. I associate yours with potential replies like below: 1. Its Andy's birthday. Reply by ATR: He has only played on four albums. If he was truly relevant to Duran then maybe I would care. Now Warren, that man is relevant. When is his birthday? 2. Andy saves someone from choking. Reply by ATR: People save other people every day. I mean, I'm happy the person was saved but why is this on our forum. You guys are aware that Andy only played on 4 albums right. (Forgetting the importance of the first three) He is barely more important to Duran's history then Sterling. Now Warren was a true trooper. I'm sure he would have done the same thing as Andy if he was there. Moderator, could we please filter threads about Andy because he is not that relevant to Duran. This then starts another Andy vs Warren thread, which although is redundant it does add life here during slow times (which is most of Duran time). My point is, if you need to always beat Andy down, at least pick your spots to sound more credible. Maybe my reply here was not necessary, but this one just tipped me over the edge. We also need more entertainment here lol. I'm not saying that face book is a career path, someone else mentioned that and I responded to it, all I'm saying is that "if" AT is going to put part of his career on face book why not do it justice and include all his MAJOR efforts? Fact is Andy hasn't put the reunion or his brilliant work on astronaut or its subsequent tour. Between 2001 & 2006 AT was in DD........FACT ! IMO AT being in DD ought to have been AN HONOUR for him, Just as it was and still is Roger's, Nick's, John's & SLBs Yet it's OK for him to dismiss this fact ! Well not in my book. I'm on the side of the four hearts that currently beat in DD who claim that there is an unworkable gulf between them. Yet you or anyone else (& because of the split) has the choice to be on which ever side they want/believe what they want. It's a free world. You are free to believe what you want just as I am. I'll keep my thoughts regarding your particular threads including your personality to myself, I'd like to ask that you please offer me the same courtesy. In future don't elude me to being simple, psycho, (like how dare you I'm a fellow DD enthusiast just as you are & besides you don't even know me) or recommend that my potential replies include this or that, including going to the trouble of creating an analysis of my posts with hypothetical responses. And to top it off you call me asinine, yes I had to look it up, I'm not the most astute person on the planet & honest enough to admit it. asinine /ˈasɪnʌɪn/ adjective 1. extremely stupid or foolish. 2. synonyms: 3. stupid, foolish, pointless, brainless, mindless, senseless, doltish, idiotic, imbecilic, imbecile, insane, lunatic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, preposterous, nonsensical, fatuous, silly, childish, infantile, puerile, immature, juvenile, inane, witless, half-baked, empty-headed, unintelligent, half-witted, slow-witted, weak-minded; Thanks heaps, bwkk, truth of the matter is, I'm not, you know. Perhaps it's better I know what bwkk thinks of me anyway. Like where on this thread have I said WC is better? In other posts I confess I have been known to say that has WC contributed more to DD coz album wise he has. Gee wizz I never know my posts were taken as gospel. Infact you don't have to read my posts if you don't wish to, honestly I won't mind. This board ought to be about DD, those present & past members, (&future perhaps), the DD's influences, art etc and not an analysis of the various board member's personalities which TBH we truly don't know. My posts are saying how could he not consider (on his FB page) his DD period 2001 - 2006, coz IMO AT played SOME EXTRAORDINARY STUFF during that time. To dismiss this period doesn't do him or DD any justice, and I didn't think that it needed to be spelt out. But there you go, I've spelt it out ! Again To dismiss this period doesn't do Andy or DD any justice. Within this thread I have also stated "I DONT HATE ANDY" however you may have missed it? Lastly, I'm not the one who's posted "Maybe my reply here was not necessary, but this one just tipped me over the edge". Thing is, I felt it necessary to respond to your post considering your comments & opinion in regards to my personality Hey Aftertherain, I haven't read your full post yet but I will. I just wanted to say that I don't think you are psycho, I don't even know you but I'm sure you aren't. I was just making a comment that the post could be seen that way. I know you have mentioned many many times, in different contexts, that Andy was only on four albums. Anyway, I'm sorry I offended you. I'll read the rest of your post later.
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Post by bwkk on Aug 14, 2019 20:00:13 GMT -5
You know how sometimes someone could speak so passionately about something that they actually appear psycho to the point that they discredit themselves and reinforce the opposite point? I think you are there. This was a thread that simply pointed out the man is on facebook, and for some reason for the millionth time you need to say "He has only been on 4 DD albums, not that important". To suggest that Facebook is a forum where one's career path needs to be outlined thoroughly is assanine!! I'm on facebook and I don't mention my jobs there. Also, I would like to think that most of us aren't so simple to think "Duran good, Andy bad". Duran and Andy crossed paths for a few glorious years, and that is the way it was meant to be. Their paths were not meant to be long term bonds, but that does not mean that either would have been as successful if their paths never crossed at all. Often in life when paths diverge there are hard feelings, that does not mean one side is right and one is wrong. I would think that most people do not put an effort on their facebook pages to high lite aspects of their life that are no longer relevant to them. Its like you want to say :he has only been on 4 albums" so bad that you will direct any conversation there. Over the years I have read almost every post ever made on this forum. I associate yours with potential replies like below: 1. Its Andy's birthday. Reply by ATR: He has only played on four albums. If he was truly relevant to Duran then maybe I would care. Now Warren, that man is relevant. When is his birthday? 2. Andy saves someone from choking. Reply by ATR: People save other people every day. I mean, I'm happy the person was saved but why is this on our forum. You guys are aware that Andy only played on 4 albums right. (Forgetting the importance of the first three) He is barely more important to Duran's history then Sterling. Now Warren was a true trooper. I'm sure he would have done the same thing as Andy if he was there. Moderator, could we please filter threads about Andy because he is not that relevant to Duran. This then starts another Andy vs Warren thread, which although is redundant it does add life here during slow times (which is most of Duran time). My point is, if you need to always beat Andy down, at least pick your spots to sound more credible. Maybe my reply here was not necessary, but this one just tipped me over the edge. We also need more entertainment here lol. I'm not saying that face book is a career path, someone else mentioned that and I responded to it, all I'm saying is that "if" AT is going to put part of his career on face book why not do it justice and include all his MAJOR efforts? Fact is Andy hasn't put the reunion or his brilliant work on astronaut or its subsequent tour. Between 2001 & 2006 AT was in DD........FACT ! IMO AT being in DD ought to have been AN HONOUR for him, Just as it was and still is Roger's, Nick's, John's & SLBs Yet it's OK for him to dismiss this fact ! Well not in my book. I'm on the side of the four hearts that currently beat in DD who claim that there is an unworkable gulf between them. Yet you or anyone else (& because of the split) has the choice to be on which ever side they want/believe what they want. It's a free world. You are free to believe what you want just as I am. I'll keep my thoughts regarding your particular threads including your personality to myself, I'd like to ask that you please offer me the same courtesy. In future don't elude me to being simple, psycho, (like how dare you I'm a fellow DD enthusiast just as you are & besides you don't even know me) or recommend that my potential replies include this or that, including going to the trouble of creating an analysis of my posts with hypothetical responses. And to top it off you call me asinine, yes I had to look it up, I'm not the most astute person on the planet & honest enough to admit it. asinine /ˈasɪnʌɪn/ adjective 1. extremely stupid or foolish. 2. synonyms: 3. stupid, foolish, pointless, brainless, mindless, senseless, doltish, idiotic, imbecilic, imbecile, insane, lunatic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, preposterous, nonsensical, fatuous, silly, childish, infantile, puerile, immature, juvenile, inane, witless, half-baked, empty-headed, unintelligent, half-witted, slow-witted, weak-minded; Thanks heaps, bwkk, truth of the matter is, I'm not, you know. Perhaps it's better I know what bwkk thinks of me anyway. Like where on this thread have I said WC is better? In other posts I confess I have been known to say that has WC contributed more to DD coz album wise he has. Gee wizz I never know my posts were taken as gospel. Infact you don't have to read my posts if you don't wish to, honestly I won't mind. This board ought to be about DD, those present & past members, (&future perhaps), the DD's influences, art etc and not an analysis of the various board member's personalities which TBH we truly don't know. My posts are saying how could he not consider (on his FB page) his DD period 2001 - 2006, coz IMO AT played SOME EXTRAORDINARY STUFF during that time. To dismiss this period doesn't do him or DD any justice, and I didn't think that it needed to be spelt out. But there you go, I've spelt it out ! Again To dismiss this period doesn't do Andy or DD any justice. Within this thread I have also stated "I DONT HATE ANDY" however you may have missed it? Lastly, I'm not the one who's posted "Maybe my reply here was not necessary, but this one just tipped me over the edge". Thing is, I felt it necessary to respond to your post considering your comments & opinion in regards to my personality It is his personal facebook page, he doesn't owe Duran and thing and has done nothing wrong. You aren't psycho. You are a bit emotional about his facebook page though. It is not a career summary page, its a forum to for him to express whatever he wants about whatever is important to him. About the reunion years. DD needed Andy more then they needed him. I am thankful that he agreed to come back at all. Back in the day AT was a driving force in their songwriting. To not compensate him as an equal when he came back as per their request was just wrong, and contributed to the breakup. Back in the day they were all equals, going into the reunion with AT and RT basically hired hands was basically asking for it to not work out. The truth is AT and NR are both alpha dogs in DD and unfortunately there isn't room for both at the same time, they just clash in every way, but when they are together and forced to work as equals amazing music just happens.
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Post by blaahh on Aug 15, 2019 4:29:26 GMT -5
I suspect Andy knows better than us when The Power Station started, just cos it wasnt released till 1985. Same argument goes for Duran starting in 1978 or 1980 (depending on line up view), rather than 1981.
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Post by bwkk on Aug 17, 2019 1:59:43 GMT -5
You know how sometimes someone could speak so passionately about something that they actually appear psycho to the point that they discredit themselves and reinforce the opposite point? I think you are there. This was a thread that simply pointed out the man is on facebook, and for some reason for the millionth time you need to say "He has only been on 4 DD albums, not that important". To suggest that Facebook is a forum where one's career path needs to be outlined thoroughly is assanine!! I'm on facebook and I don't mention my jobs there. Also, I would like to think that most of us aren't so simple to think "Duran good, Andy bad". Duran and Andy crossed paths for a few glorious years, and that is the way it was meant to be. Their paths were not meant to be long term bonds, but that does not mean that either would have been as successful if their paths never crossed at all. Often in life when paths diverge there are hard feelings, that does not mean one side is right and one is wrong. I would think that most people do not put an effort on their facebook pages to high lite aspects of their life that are no longer relevant to them. Its like you want to say :he has only been on 4 albums" so bad that you will direct any conversation there. Over the years I have read almost every post ever made on this forum. I associate yours with potential replies like below: 1. Its Andy's birthday. Reply by ATR: He has only played on four albums. If he was truly relevant to Duran then maybe I would care. Now Warren, that man is relevant. When is his birthday? 2. Andy saves someone from choking. Reply by ATR: People save other people every day. I mean, I'm happy the person was saved but why is this on our forum. You guys are aware that Andy only played on 4 albums right. (Forgetting the importance of the first three) He is barely more important to Duran's history then Sterling. Now Warren was a true trooper. I'm sure he would have done the same thing as Andy if he was there. Moderator, could we please filter threads about Andy because he is not that relevant to Duran. This then starts another Andy vs Warren thread, which although is redundant it does add life here during slow times (which is most of Duran time). My point is, if you need to always beat Andy down, at least pick your spots to sound more credible. Maybe my reply here was not necessary, but this one just tipped me over the edge. We also need more entertainment here lol. I'm not saying that face book is a career path, someone else mentioned that and I responded to it, all I'm saying is that "if" AT is going to put part of his career on face book why not do it justice and include all his MAJOR efforts? Fact is Andy hasn't put the reunion or his brilliant work on astronaut or its subsequent tour. Between 2001 & 2006 AT was in DD........FACT ! IMO AT being in DD ought to have been AN HONOUR for him, Just as it was and still is Roger's, Nick's, John's & SLBs Yet it's OK for him to dismiss this fact ! Well not in my book. I'm on the side of the four hearts that currently beat in DD who claim that there is an unworkable gulf between them. Yet you or anyone else (& because of the split) has the choice to be on which ever side they want/believe what they want. It's a free world. You are free to believe what you want just as I am. I'll keep my thoughts regarding your particular threads including your personality to myself, I'd like to ask that you please offer me the same courtesy. In future don't elude me to being simple, psycho, (like how dare you I'm a fellow DD enthusiast just as you are & besides you don't even know me) or recommend that my potential replies include this or that, including going to the trouble of creating an analysis of my posts with hypothetical responses. And to top it off you call me asinine, yes I had to look it up, I'm not the most astute person on the planet & honest enough to admit it. asinine /ˈasɪnʌɪn/ adjective 1. extremely stupid or foolish. 2. synonyms: 3. stupid, foolish, pointless, brainless, mindless, senseless, doltish, idiotic, imbecilic, imbecile, insane, lunatic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, preposterous, nonsensical, fatuous, silly, childish, infantile, puerile, immature, juvenile, inane, witless, half-baked, empty-headed, unintelligent, half-witted, slow-witted, weak-minded; Thanks heaps, bwkk, truth of the matter is, I'm not, you know. Perhaps it's better I know what bwkk thinks of me anyway. Like where on this thread have I said WC is better? In other posts I confess I have been known to say that has WC contributed more to DD coz album wise he has. Gee wizz I never know my posts were taken as gospel. Infact you don't have to read my posts if you don't wish to, honestly I won't mind. This board ought to be about DD, those present & past members, (&future perhaps), the DD's influences, art etc and not an analysis of the various board member's personalities which TBH we truly don't know. My posts are saying how could he not consider (on his FB page) his DD period 2001 - 2006, coz IMO AT played SOME EXTRAORDINARY STUFF during that time. To dismiss this period doesn't do him or DD any justice, and I didn't think that it needed to be spelt out. But there you go, I've spelt it out ! Again To dismiss this period doesn't do Andy or DD any justice. Within this thread I have also stated "I DONT HATE ANDY" however you may have missed it? Lastly, I'm not the one who's posted "Maybe my reply here was not necessary, but this one just tipped me over the edge". Thing is, I felt it necessary to respond to your post considering your comments & opinion in regards to my personality Aftertherain, you love DD as much as I do so I respect you and am sorry for insulting you. We disagree on the Facebook page thing, but I respect you. I'm sorry for offending you.
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