rocioanahi
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Post by rocioanahi on Apr 21, 2008 22:20:50 GMT -5
kelguara wrote :: "I would say the record company hemmed them in but then so did the producers and co-writers for this album.
This whole Justin Timberlake thing about the album needing an 'Ordinary World' track annoys me...it's sort of put the band in the same box they are always put in....oh they are an 80's band......oh they should only be doing slow pop songs"
excatly !!! i feel the same , you wrote just what i feel ... my bad english don't let me express myself !!!!!
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Post by coolbarn on Apr 21, 2008 23:04:46 GMT -5
I just think the band put too much faith in Timberlake/Timbaland/Hills to be honest. I think they saw how quickly those guys work and thought whatever they produced would be successful. As has been mentioned in some other threads the only real Duran element to the music seems to be Simon's voice. Put it this way, if they kept the music but got, say, Dom to sing the vocals and played it to me I'd take one listen and say that is typical shit music of today and I don't want to buy it thanks. I'll take Duran Duran any day. Then if they then told me it WAS Duran Duran I would have had a heart attack. But where are the incredible basslines? Where are Roger's drumming talents and amazing fills? Where are the catchy choruses that sit in your head for hours? Not there I'm afraid. Just layers of keyboard sounds, beats, and for the most part tuneless rythms. The songs sound so much better live. Why didn't the band ask the producers to capture some of this live sound? Why didn't they rewrite choruses to make them as catchy as the verses? Why did they just accept everything given to them by Nate Hills, rather than questioning how ordinary a lot of it (not all of it) was? I'm also a big REM fan. Recently I have been reading reviews of their latest album "Accelerate", most of which have been really positive. Nearly all of them have said that REM is back in form, and it's easily their best album in ten years and is very much like their old-style sound. A line from one particular review stood out to me though: The final sentence from From www.uncut.net/music/rem/reviews/11291Accelerate is a simple, pragmatic record built on an uncomfortable truth: sometimes, even the best bands have to retrace their steps, if only to remind themselves what they’re really good at.[/i] I would love for Duran to read that review and think about it before they start recording their next album.
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Post by roisinmurphy on Apr 22, 2008 3:45:19 GMT -5
The entire discussion of using Timbaland not equaling chart success is moot as they have NOT actually released any Timbaland songs as a single. As a consequence no-one can really say using Timbaland did not work. No-one apart from a bunch of Duran fans even know the songs exist as they have never been actively marketed to radio or have a music video attached to them.
It was not Timbaland that did not work. What did not work was Falling Down and thusly RCM did not chart - as the main single bombed. This is the "executive decison" Nate Hills was so peed off at.
Until they release a Timbaland song as a single to radio, with a decent music video one can not say whether using the Tims did or did not work - as no one out there in real people land have ever heard the music.
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Post by sueb1863 on Apr 22, 2008 5:44:20 GMT -5
I aways thought that was pretty ironic - they brought in Timbaland because Sony didn't hear a 'first single', and then the first single they released WASN'T one of the three they worked on in September 2006! Sony must not have been too happy with the result if they didn't even choose one of the 2006 tracks as the first single.
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Post by sarahb1863 on Apr 22, 2008 6:11:06 GMT -5
Keep in mind that all of the Timba tracks were available on the Internet in October. Since many songs become hits over the Internet, my personal feeling is, if any of those songs had 'the magic', they would have become hits. People - especially young people, like the Tims fans - had plenty of opportunity to hear the songs. They just didn't care.
BTW, is it generally accepted that there won't be a second single? I noticed there hasn't been any talk about a second single lately...
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Post by 2007 on Apr 22, 2008 6:55:25 GMT -5
To be honest, from the day one I heard that they were going to work with Timbaland & Timberlake I felt really misserable and kind of felt the flop was meant to be. Of course, this wasn't the only reason but RCM was going to work better if they were not involved. Same with the recent Madonna track, Timbaland is keep repeating himself and it ain't working on artists whom already have their own sounds..
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Post by prncspeach on Apr 22, 2008 7:52:59 GMT -5
ttt - maybe if they released the intended album they could have gone the alternative route HOWEVER - the net result probably would not have been much different. (sorry to compare but) think about bauhaus. similar age band, smaller fan base, reuniting/people leaving, etc., - different genre. bauhaus reunited in 1998 and again in 2005. they played coachella in 2005 - they toured. in March they released Go Away White - no major label, Peter called it quits and they aren't touring. not sure how many copies the album sold, but i think it was, like, 5 and i bought one, so....they are about to play Coachella this weekend without Peter as Love and Rockets. they will probably put on a great live show, and it will be all flowers and sunshine, but how much will it really change? the only way they could sell more of the album is to beat the street and let people hear it, but they don't have the cash to do it. the situation is the boss. if the black lipstick set won't buy bauhaus - why will they buy Duran Duran? just curious about your thoughts. grass is always greener - i guess?
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Post by trevgreg on Apr 22, 2008 8:31:19 GMT -5
Keep in mind that all of the Timba tracks were available on the Internet in October. Since many songs become hits over the Internet, my personal feeling is, if any of those songs had 'the magic', they would have become hits. People - especially young people, like the Tims fans - had plenty of opportunity to hear the songs. They just didn't care. BTW, is it generally accepted that there won't be a second single? I noticed there hasn't been any talk about a second single lately... I think that's arguable... you ask the average music fan online what they thought of those songs, and they'd still probably say something like "Those two worked together?" There's a lot of stuff online, that's true, but I'm sure there's thousands of songs I could have heard at one time or another some place but just haven't for whatever reason. I can't speak for Timbaland or Timberlake's fans, but I know that the two tracks featuring Timbaland were posted on a person's blog online and got quite a few reactions. Plus... it might be fair to say that Falling Down was already in the works for being the first single by the time those two songs leaked online. The single and its video were already complete around the end of September, while these songs were probably only online for a little over a month before that. Not enough time to catch on even, huh? And we're not even considering the reaction from the fans, which was pretty extensive... oh, and it does appear that Skin Divers might see a limited release in June with at least one remix added to it.
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Post by cherryflute on Apr 22, 2008 9:45:43 GMT -5
I do agree with you Schmack....big stuffy record company shirts really shouldn't get in the way of what musicians really want to do. Perhaps the guys were worried about losing sure $$(who isn't these days- especially musicians!!). But I will say that it looks like their tour has been a big success. And they have been more experimental live with the electro-set(which I think is a great choice for them!).
If you read articles on the status of the music business, I think everyone is suffering financially. It's just not the radio play/record store business of our youth! I think the record companies are still in the past and are loathe to change. DD's new stuff doesn't really work in today's markets....perhaps. I know I don't listen to pop radio or watch videos on MTV(when they never play them anyway). I don't know what the solution is.
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Post by sueb1863 on Apr 22, 2008 13:13:40 GMT -5
Does anyone remember when it was announced that FD would be the first single? Because for the longest time every indication was that it would be Nite Runner; Simon even said so on several occasions. Picking FD seemed to have been an 11th hour decision, and to me it was an indication that Sony, oddly enough, didn't have a lot of faith in the Timbaland tracks they'd paid so much for.
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