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Post by asthelightsgodown on Sept 2, 2015 13:44:15 GMT -5
I agree completely. The reason I have loved Duran so much is the "band"sound of bass/drums/guitar. I am very disappointed that this album is weak in that area. I could give a flying f*** about EDM. Duran needs to be 5x 20%. Sadly it is 2* 35% with the remaining 30% outsourced. I love how Duran have perceveired and embraced new ways of doing things, but they have strayed from what makes them unique and special. I find the songs passionless and boring to be honest. It's like the passion and fire is gone and it is just business now. I totally agree.
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Post by Medazzatrash on Sept 2, 2015 13:44:33 GMT -5
I've noticed this too. Skinburn you seem like a big Duran Duran fan and your support is fine, but your remarks against other fans negative opinions on the album almost come off as personal attacks on their judgment and taste. If I was a new forum member who wanted to share my 2 cents, you and others would certainly discourage me from speaking my mind. You've obviously not read my previous post where I quoted you. You would have had an alert if your dashboard is set up to receive reply alerts. I suggest you read it and come back to me. Then I'll be courteous and respond. Nah, I read your response. I'm just explaining how your posts come off to others, despite your intentions. And I disagree with you. It's not slating the band giving an opinion on the album. If something is "crap" to someone, it's probably crap to another. I hardly think they'll lose album sales over the words expressed on this forum which accounts for a small percentage of the actual people who are going to buy this record.
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Post by razorfox on Sept 2, 2015 14:13:19 GMT -5
I'm not feeling the Skinburn love tonight but this is tantamount to bullying.
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Post by razorfox on Sept 2, 2015 14:30:19 GMT -5
If Paper God's hits no. 1 in the charts I'll consider it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 14:36:02 GMT -5
It's like the passion and fire is gone and it is just business now. First, to all... we can agree to disagree. I just posted my opinions and assumptions based on my experience. Second, yes bands with passion and fire evidence as such not only through their new music - but also through their live shows. For example; The Cure play 40+ song sets, bsides, rare tunes. U2 play 23 - 25 songs; bsides, rare tunes... Rush, another band that are 10 years older than DD and play for 2.5 hours. Duran Duran? They dial it in with a 90 minute, 17 song at best, 'greatest hits' set list. Yes, wow, they played 'Chauffeur' and 'Election Day', which are not really that 'rare'. But everything else is safe ground. And it's been that way for since 2011... Look I get it that Simon has vocal troubles and more than 17 songs is a challenge, but he could do 18. In an 18 song set you could play: 5 New Songs off PO 10 Greatest Hits 3 never played live, or not in a long long time... Is that too much to ask from this band? That's where I don't see the passion and fire and where it is just business at this point. Bands that care cater to the hardcore fans in some way shape or form. DD don't. I think it's partly because they are nervous to go outside the bounds with the setlist, God forbid hadl the audience doesn't recognize a song... Anyway, DD did a great job on the Reunion tour 2003 - 2006 of shaking it up; Serious, Sound of Thunder, Come Up and See Me, Hold Back the Rain, etc etc... Even on RCM tour they pulled a few out of the archives never played or rarely; I Take the Dice, Last Chance on the Stairway... But since then they've been dialing it in. AYNIN was standard fare, and this tour is looking even worse...
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Post by mynick7 on Sept 2, 2015 14:43:15 GMT -5
I've got to go with Skinburn. I am a very passionate Duran Duran fan as well. I've already spoken my piece in this post earlier and will not say it again, but what I think that people aren't understanding is the fine line between a negative comment and outright belligerent comments. People are crossing this line and that is what is rubbing our fur the wrong way.
Respect is a two-way street.
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Post by aglewis723 on Sept 2, 2015 14:45:07 GMT -5
Nah, I read your response. I'm just explaining how your posts come off to others, despite your intentions. And I disagree with you. It's not slating the band giving an opinion on the album. If something is "crap" to someone, it's probably crap to another. I hardly think they'll lose album sales over the words expressed on this forum which accounts for a small percentage of the actual people who are going to buy this record. Whether it effects album sales or not is neither here nor there. It's just damn rude and blasé to say a whole album is 'crap'. I've already said my bit to Aglewis. I'm not covering old ground again and I don't have to justify my 'intentions' to anybody. I'm not bothered how you think my posts are read by others. I think most people got my point. I understand you're being polite but I'm not changing. This is me, Duran to the core. but what if someone truly feels the album is crap? what should they say? should they not post at all? then we will be missing out on a whole sector of people who may share a different opinion. One should be strong enough mentally for someone to call an album "crap". That's part of any artists' job (and fans). Not everyone is going to like what you like. get over it.
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Post by Dew on Sept 2, 2015 14:47:50 GMT -5
What needs to be understood and realised here is that is that DD are a band with "no stylistic musical boundaries" As stated by the band way back in the the early 90s. They can play anything that currently suits them, and why shouldn't they. This is one true fact and I personally (like many others I'm sure) am so pleased and find comfort that this is the case. It makes for interesting releases with elements of past and present offerings while staying in the moment. Therefore if one listens to DD they are rewarded with rock, pop, electronica, a groove factor, rap, drum n bass, house (eg IDWYL) and suburb balladry at no matter what age they create it. Agreed. I do feel sincerity on PG, and that's enough for me to appreciate the effort (and sincerely like most of the songs). They're experienced musicians who have put their name on this material. I had similar feelings every new album, and they expanded my understanding of what they can do. Also, my musical experience and knowledge has grown immensely since 1982! Sometimes I wish I could remove it (temporarily) and just hear music. The beauty (and ugliness) of these forums is we're able to react publicly, and quickly, whereas in the past we had to stew in our own thoughts or only amongst nearby fans. Is it okay to not like these new songs? Yes! If DD asked me directly what I thought, I'd tell them, but I'd still be polite about it. In a room full of fans (this forum), I'd be polite about it too. (not saying this to anyone in particular)
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Post by mynick7 on Sept 2, 2015 14:58:07 GMT -5
It's like the passion and fire is gone and it is just business now. First, to all... we can agree to disagree. I just posted my opinions and assumptions based on my experience. Second, yes bands with passion and fire evidence as such not only through their new music - but also through their live shows. For example; The Cure play 40+ song sets, bsides, rare tunes. U2 play 23 - 25 songs; bsides, rare tunes... Rush, another band that are 10 years older than DD and play for 2.5 hours. Duran Duran? They dial it in with a 90 minute, 17 song at best, 'greatest hits' set list. Yes, wow, they played 'Chauffeur' and 'Election Day', which are not really that 'rare'. But everything else is safe ground. And it's been that way for since 2011... Look I get it that Simon has vocal troubles and more than 17 songs is a challenge, but he could do 18. In an 18 song set you could play: 5 New Songs off PO 10 Greatest Hits 3 never played live, or not in a long long time... Is that too much to ask from this band? That's where I don't see the passion and fire and where it is just business at this point. Bands that care cater to the hardcore fans in some way shape or form. DD don't. I think it's partly because they are nervous to go outside the bounds with the setlist, God forbid hadl the audience doesn't recognize a song... Anyway, DD did a great job on the Reunion tour 2003 - 2006 of shaking it up; Serious, Sound of Thunder, Come Up and See Me, Hold Back the Rain, etc etc... Even on RCM tour they pulled a few out of the archives never played or rarely; I Take the Dice, Last Chance on the Stairway... But since then they've been dialing it in. AYNIN was standard fare, and this tour is looking even worse... Huh. I went to 2 shows in 2005 and didn't hear any of those songs. In 2008, DD played for 2 hours straight...not including the opening act; 2 solid hours of DD. I would've gotten bored at such a long U2 concert because they sound the same. Plus Bono's preaching is a whole different topic. And honestly, never been a fan of Rush. I just don't get the comparisons. Duran Duran are not The Cure...or Rush...or U2, thank God! You are judging a tour that hasn't even started yet. You don't know what they are going to do this time around. All of these shows are just working up into next year's "official" tour. They aren't going to go far from the standards because they are warming up to touring and playing live again after so long in the studio. Give them the benefit of the doubt and judge when the "real" tour starts. I don't care what they play, personally, as long as I see them perform...and I can sing along, dance and yes, scream like a teenage girl. If I get a song I've never heard live before than that's just icing on the cake.
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Post by stepintothefuture on Sept 2, 2015 15:04:12 GMT -5
Here is my overall feelings about Paper Gods. It is not exactly the most band present sounding album, sounds too formulaic, and synthetic. There are a couple of songs that almost measure up to typical Duran standards, but that's about the extent of it. It has nothing with being experimental or using the latest trendy sounds. I understand not every album can be another Rio, but for me, there has to be substance within the musical structure and band presence to have some form of merit.
I will deem the overall album sonic delivery crap which is a hell a lot more polite than the real word I'd rather use. As a fan who has listened to them since 81, I am no less of a fan than someone who gets a boner/tingly dewy feeling when they hear the album just because I don't like it.
The mere fact that I had to listened to this album a few times to give it a fair shake is enough validation to express my point of view. Don't like that I don't like the album, then too bad and be glad you do enjoy the album.
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