... this project would really be cool to be available in printed book format! Ever thought about it? It is simply amazing!
I had exactly the same thought!
Two good sites out there to make hardbound books: blurb.com and mixbook.com. I've not used mixbook for any of my books, just blurb.com - and tbh, that's probably the better of the two sites as it's pdf friendly.
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I bet rtm has got some good contacts due to his job... I've said that 'hoping' in Duran world might be devastating for your health, but in this case i do hope a printed version will become available. Otherwise i think i might do a one off, but only with consent of course. ;-)
Last Edit: Mar 31, 2017 8:08:49 GMT -5 by poptrash
As I look at it now, this project would really be cool to be available in printed book format! Ever thought about it? It is simply amazing!
Thnx for your friendship/ positive feedback and your future contributions to this project Peter! Your much appreciated contributions will be credited in the final PDF.
As for publishing the project in book format, that was and is not at all our aim. It's a FREE non profit 'digital' project and neither me or Pocketdemon want to profit from this apart from the pure visual enjoyment and research sources other fans will get from it.
Eventually, later this year, we will send the final project to DD HQ as a present for their 40th anniversary next year...maybe it'll end up in their archives but hopefully they'll pick up on it and appreciate it like the 'All you need is now' project recently...if not...so be it. Me and Tim certainly get much satisfaction out of it regardless
But all files are created at 300 dpi resolution just in case....so the possibility is there to do 'more' with it.
Then again: anyone can always make their own physical copy with the final high res PDF...its not that difficult to do that these days I know I will certainly do that for my own personal pleasure and archive
I'm going to Office Depot today to pick up some nice glossy paper to print the first PDF, on a good laser printer!
Please bear in mind that it's *just* a preview & at least some small things are likely to change with it by the time we're finished with the whole project - since, as we work through the fc years, things can come up that either necessitate or spark ideas for alterations.
Yeah, we made a major(ish) design change a couple of days before it was uploaded, after looking at the test pages for 83-84 & then needing to go back so that there'd be consistency with the changes there - & i've no idea yet if there may need to be more...
...there's 3 tiny (wholly non-consequential) formatting errors in the preview version that i noticed when doing first run proofing of the two parts for the 82-83 fc year & format comparing back & forth last night...
...& i believe that the cover for itsisk? style one, shown at the end, is now being altered.
This in mind - but also because i know that we still don't have access to decent scans of everything & we're open to feedback about the dates & whatnot (so will need input from others) - as Pierre's said then the current thinking is that the remaining previews will be lower res ones on the fb page...
...& hopefully that will scare up decent scans of the few bits that we're missing & catch any errors.
As to the physical book idea, who knows what might happen...
...but the furthest that my personal thinking has gone atm is to look at something like a version of a 'non-commercial Creative Commons license' for the final pdf (ie it's free for anyone to do whatever they want with providing we're both credited & it's for wholly non-profit purposes#), though i've not discussed this with Pierre at all.
[# i know this isn't ideal & would need careful wording around what's permitted, but i believe that it's the least restrictive option that stops someone random person from attempting to print it off & monetise it on eBay or something.]
Well, tbh, there's more than enough work in trying to get the thing done than spend hours of time discussing stuff that don't particularly matter at this stage.
Anyway, it's really pleasing that everyone seems to be liking what we've done thus far - but if at any stage there's anything that's clearly b stupid, or even just looks a bit odd, then i'd much rather someone contacted & raised it with us than not know.
So don't be afraid of hurting our delicate sensibilities.
Well this really is beautiful. This could only have been produced by individuals who wear Duran Duran on their sleeve. From having first hand experience of publishing a self made fanzine, I can appreciate the dedication, commitment and pride of putting a work of art like this together.
Although I enjoyed the band's music throughout the eighties (and I am of that era), I didn't become a fully fledged 'duranie' until 1989 so I missed out on all the fan club memorabilia. In fact I still don't have much of that kind of stuff so this is really invaluable to me.
I am actually very envious of those who bought in to those heady days and were shrewd enough to not only collect the fan club merchandise but to also keep it all stored away safely, thus ensuring it's intact survival for years to come!
My priority nowadays is collecting vinyl, CD's, posters and Japanese books so this project is very much a worthy bible for me. I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to start collecting fan club material now. For one it would probably cost me a fortune and secondly I don't have the room!
So I extend my congratulations and thanks to Pierre and Tim for their hard work with this!
Just to personally acknowledge this, i know that you & i don't see eye to eye on certain things &/or now have a different way of trying to approach lots of them - but i really do appreciate that you've commented on what we've done so far.
With collecting the fc stuff, one of the things i love about it is that it's finite - whereas with almost everything else Duran-wise then there's just this never-ending supply of variants... That said, whilst most of the mid-end stuff is often relatively cheap in the scheme of things, i completely agree that, some items from the first 2 sets can be very pricey to get hold of stuff in a half decent condition from - unless you luck out (in the US sense of the term) of course.
So whilst shed loads of money's been spent personally on some of the items, touch wood then it's only the first merch sheet (if a complete copy ever turns up) & the 2nd membership card that i think i'll need to spend any serious money on towards completing the set.
That said, whilst this is one of my major bits of addiction with collecting Duran stuff, vive la difference of course.
Separately, along with all of the positive feedback, a quick thanks to Peter for providing some pretty detailed notes & queries - yeah, some stuff has a specific rationale which could only be known by having seen later parts, but he's noticed a handful of other minor things that we'd missed which will really help for the final version.
Yeah, there's a point where it becomes almost impossible to step back from the thing - esp since this first part has been looked at so many times as we've been working through ideas for later parts & altering things - & this was exactly what i'd hoped for when i said that we'd not be offended.
Recognition where it's deserved. It is excellent work from the both of you. I do my best to try to keep posts separate so to avoid unfair critique on posts that would not be justified. However, I felt as though you were stalking me and would call me out on every negative post I wrote. I meant to write this earlier but I didn't choose to be damning in my views of Figital's book. However interesting it may be, the timing of the announcement smelt of a PR exercise to me. There has also been instances where I've been indirectly asked to shut up by hierarchy. I'll say no more on it.
I'm not going to hold any grudges and will treat every post you write as a clean slate. Even if it's because you are not agreeing with my viewpoint! Lol. We can all be very vocal and forthright with our opinions, but because I have a pop at somebody doesn't mean I dislike that person. I just disagree with how they conduct themselves.
So, yes. It's lovely to see your work come to fruition and I hope DD offer credit where it's due..
Whilst this is very OT, it's just pure coincidence that the last couple of threads where i've known bits of background stuff, & so have 'stuck my oar in' in someone's defence, have happened to both involve something to do with Derek & are ones where you've commented very negatively vs the specifics i know about.
Well, i don't believe that i've ever otherwise gotten involved when you've chosen to attack the management in posts both as i don't know what's been said back & forth or whatever, & ultimately it doesn't matter to me either which way if, *exaggerating wildly*, they treat every word from you as their sole impetus to do better or, having effectively shut off entirely, draw lots as to which poor soul has to reply.
Yeah, it's no different from when, for example, some people were savaging the Unleashed CD as being 'nothing but fan remixes' & stating that the AVTAK 12" was 100% fake - even, quite strangely by a few, after Steve Thompson publically posted that he'd made it... ...or when people were pissed over the shipping costs for Beautiful Colors... ...or...
...where i also happened to have specific background knowledge & felt that what was being said, about Igor & Andy respectively (neither of which i have any regular contact with btw), was deeply unfair.
Well, when things went awry for Klaus & myself then people standing up for us against some of the BS that was kicking around really mattered to me - so, if nothing else, it's about passing it on.
Anyway, enough about all of that, but i'm wholly agreed with you that we should treat posts where there's very specific disagreements completely separately from anything else - & hence my reasoning for having taken the time to publically acknowledge the fact that you'd actively chosen to do that.