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Post by duranaholic on Feb 20, 2018 11:40:47 GMT -5
I was looking through eBay and came across this signed album and had a good laugh that anyone would bid on this. I have many things signed by Duran Duran from ‘81 to today, none of them look as sloppy and off as this. What does everyone here in DD world think? Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 12:03:44 GMT -5
Personally i don't see any major red flags with any of them - & they fit with some other relatively early signatures that i have which i know are genuine.
Yeah, so much depends on the context that things were signed - so, even from the same era, there's some difference between sigs which are done at a signing session or in an office to be sent out (like the 81 FC welcome letters) - vs - a hastily scrawled thing in a crowd of shoving fans...
...&, naturally, there's no knowing that all 5 sigs were done in the same circumstances - as it 'might' have been signed over a few different occasions to get all 5 of them on there...
...however anyone looking to buy clearly needs to make their own personal decision.
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Post by vermeerf on Feb 20, 2018 13:03:53 GMT -5
Am I the only person that doesn't understand why people buy autographed items that weren't signed for them?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 14:10:11 GMT -5
Am I the only person that doesn't understand why people buy autoraphed items that weren't signed for them? it's balance imho.
Well, whilst some people happen to live somewhere useful for where the band are regularly (or money for hotels & travelling at odd times of the day/night & whatnot) & are happy to stand outside of places for b hours, it's not an option for lots of others... ...so, if there's a choice of having nothing signed or buying a couple of things then there's a reasonable point.
Okay, there's some people who seemingly have almost unfettered access to the band, but that's not the case for lots of us.
Then there's stuff like the posters/photos that have been available from Crewe & something like the FC welcome letters (albeit that not all are signed & most not by all members) where they're only available signed - but are clearly not signed to the individual.
& then there's a third level covering times where the only copy that comes up (or comes up when you have the cash) happens to be signed - so it's buying the item rather than explicitly the signature.
So, even ignoring the 2nd of these, as i don't believe you meant it that way, there can be very good reasons for doing so - though i would certainly accept that there's a limit to the number of things that would be sensible in the 1st example.
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Post by duranaholic on Feb 20, 2018 14:11:29 GMT -5
I don’t know... I’ve researched hundreds of DD signatures. These don’t look like the rushed examples I’ve seen, they just look wrong. Can you post a pic of what you consider genuine from that time period?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 14:19:53 GMT -5
I don’t know... I’ve researched hundreds of DD signatures. These don’t look like the rushed examples I’ve seen, they just look wrong. Can you post a pic of what you consider genuine from that time period? Happened to be my listing. What’s your query? Sorry, in my head i'd remembered it as being someone else's listing - as it's you selling it then i would go from 'no red flags' to having no doubts whatsoever; as there's no way that i could imagine you attempting to fake something like this.
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Post by duranaholic on Feb 20, 2018 14:53:33 GMT -5
Wow! Newbie? Looks like I struck a cord. I knew it was your listing. I just wanted to get other opinions without them knowing it sold by the Jesus of DD proboards. So, in one of your meetings with the band... this is what they signed for you? I asking because the other signed pieces I saw you sell looked off as well. Perhaps the guys give there own personal style. I’m just asking questions, no reason to get defensive... I am just a newbie
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 15:15:40 GMT -5
Sorry, in my head i'd remembered it as being someone else's listing - as it's you selling it then i would go from 'no red flags' to having no doubts whatsoever; as there's no way that i could imagine you attempting to fake something like this. Have absolutely 100% no need to. I’ve had the good fortune of meeting the guys and had the opportunities of getting gear signed. I can understand the reactions from newbie’s though or from people who do have signed stuff. As you say it depends on the situation on whether the band are sat comfortably behind desks or in the throng leaving a gig. This is one of my ‘sloppy’ ones. Bids started at 99p to allow everyone to have a fair crack of the whip. Makes me wonder whether or not to bother again. Oh, i know you don't, which is why i altered my comment... & you were one of a few i was thinking of when i was referring to some people seemingly having almost unfettered access - well, at least historically & with a touch of hyperbole.
Yeah, conversely, living in b useless places throughout my life & not generally having much cash really limited in that regard for myself - though i also really haven't taken advantage of the odd bits of access to get all & everything signed...
...& then there's times when stuff hasn't worked out - so Wendy forgot to get my Gaiman book signed at Wilton's Hall / &, whilst she attempted to sort stuff with a meet & greet in Manchester, there was zero time with the band.
Okay, it's the one thing i own that i really want to get all 6 signatures on (Gaiman's already done so) so it was disappointing, but stuff happens & at least the effort was there.
Then, moneywise, it's the problem of the internet making stuff too readily available perhaps... Though also, in the scheme of things, the debut album's probably not the most exciting item to have a signed copy of these days, so effectively all of the value is in the signatures rather than the item itself adding anything much.
That said, i can only recall one of the signed FC welcome letters going for more than about £50-70 (though some have been in lots of course, but we reasonably know the value of the other FC bits) - so, a quick check, & £71 + postage really wasn't a bad price for it imho...
...accepting, of course, that the there's probably limits to who would now want any old thing that's been autographed just to have something signed for the collection.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 15:41:29 GMT -5
Wow..you got Gaiman’s book signed aswell? I thought I was the only one! HA. I’ll be listing my copy in due course..and no its not signed by the band. Did yours come with a COA? Or you got it signed personally? i got mine signed by him at the Ely Cathedral reading in 2013 when he was out promoting The Ocean At The End Of The Lane - b hours of waiting/queuing & would have been far longer if someone hadn't gotten bored & given me their raffle ticket which put me several hundred people (& a good 2-3 hours) ahead of where i should have been.
Yeah, they do lots of book readings there - though my mother was surprised as she's been a few times seeing relatively well known authors (Hilary Mantel was one) & it was the only time she's seen the pews being used to get everyone in, as it's normally just a bit of space nearer to the entrance & 20-30 people tops.
Otherwise, it was really weird suddenly finding out that he'd written that book as, whilst i'd bought The Sandman & watched/read Neverwhere & then bought his stuff ongoing, i'd never put 2 & 2 together with it... But it still lives with the Duran collection, not the Gaiman one.
Oh, & i still need to find a H/B version of it at some point, but they so rarely come up & are always shed loads of money when they do.
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Oh, & i assume yours is dedicated along the lines of "one from the vaults" - as it appears to be what he always writes on them(?)...
...well, along with signing &, certainly on mine, writing my name.
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Post by duranaholic on Feb 22, 2018 9:01:38 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I wasn’t saying that Skinburn was signing albums or selling known fakes. In many cases what I’m finding is that someone will buy a signed album, believing it’s legitimate, and years later decide to sell it under the same premise. There are ways to determine if signed pieces are authentic, obviously with many factors that contribute to that decision. This is why I ask skinburn if the band signed that in front of him. I’ve had the great privilege and opportunity to meet DD a few times, starting in Baltimore in 2000 with Simon, Nick and Warren. Thay have signed things in front of me and I have also bought signed pieces as well. Im posting more pics of signed albums for decision, please feel free to do the same.
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