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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 11:35:54 GMT -5
As I woke this morning, bleary eyed, reading the first 2 paragraphs, it made me think it was Ken Scott himself writing. It’s not the first time this has happened. First time you woke up bleary eyed or thought Kim Scott was writing himself? Sorry bout the lack of reference, is there now! All you need is.. «Ken’s mixes are beautiful from what I remember», Would he have written that about himself. ? Well sure if drugged like in the 70s It’s ‘Ken’...It’s not just me picking you up mate. It’s great that you’re making threads but is it not too difficult to quote? Or provide links? It makes life a whole lot easier for the reader. Thanks
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Post by zuma on Jun 26, 2020 13:59:36 GMT -5
First time you woke up bleary eyed or thought Kim Scott was writing himself? Sorry bout the lack of reference, is there now! All you need is.. «Ken’s mixes are beautiful from what I remember», Would he have written that about himself. ? Well sure if drugged like in the 70s It’s ‘Ken’...It’s not just me picking you up mate. It’s great that you’re making threads but is it not too difficult to quote? Or provide links? It makes life a whole lot easier for the reader. Thanks I was also thoroughly confused. In the original (non-edited) post, I thought the poster was someone who worked on mixing Pop Trash. I even deleted my post where I said I'd love to hear "his" mixes.
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Post by pollo194 on Jun 26, 2020 15:44:01 GMT -5
I love all these new facts some key people are sharing about Pop Trash. I particularly enjoyed the bit about using old guitars and amps to give the album that vintage vibe. Even if Ken Scott's original mixes weren't used, you can still feel that psychedelic 60's -70's style in the arrangements and the recording stages of production.
Oddly enough, I became a fan of the band during the PT era. Probably their lowest point in their career, but I still gave them a chance. While it's hardly a popular album among fans, I like it a lot. I think it has stand the test time of time better than say, Astronaut or RCM. Some songs have that Abbey Road kinda vibe, that I enjoy a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 17:12:48 GMT -5
I love all these new facts some key people are sharing about Pop Trash. I particularly enjoyed the bit about using old guitars and amps to give the album that vintage vibe. Even if Ken Scott's original mixes weren't used, you can still feel that psychedelic 60's -70's style in the arrangements and the recording stages of production. Oddly enough, I became a fan of the band during the PT era. Probably their lowest point in their career, but I still gave them a chance. While it's hardly a popular album among fans, I like it a lot. I think it has stand the test time of time better than say, Astronaut or RCM. Some songs have that Abbey Road kinda vibe, that I enjoy a lot. Poptrash took a few years to gel with me - I don’t think the ‘Overnight Sensation’ Earls Court gig helped endear it to me. The Elvis Sunglasses and the obvious discontent between SLB and WC - it wasn’t pretty. There was no cohesion, and a lot of dark Vibes. I recall waiting for the show to end - that just isn’t me. However, as time has gone by since the gig I’ve forgotten about it and can enjoy the album for what it is and not take it for granted - the final chapter with the last greatest guitarist DD will ever had until their retirement. So I can resonate with it and just make peace. It’s grown on me - just the same as Thankyou.
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Post by nileblogers on Jun 27, 2020 3:37:26 GMT -5
I actually really like PT apart from the interludes, HE and MMV. To me, it sounds like a real band playing with maturity, even if it is missing a bit of bottom end. It was also the first time I saw DD live in London as they hadn’t ever toured NZ, so it’s all great memories for me.
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Post by aftertherain on Jun 27, 2020 5:34:47 GMT -5
If my memory serves me correctly Hollywood records requested changes to be made because they didn't like Ken Scott's mixing and so they handed the project over to the American producer which obviously upset Ken and hence strings were added and the LP was worked on more and more and PTs very organic rock n roll approach was lost.
I remember reading Ken suggesting that this was the same situation as when they were doing the Thank You project and before they knew it they had a different LP to what was an already complete LP.
I actually love PTs organic-ness, even tho it's not totally cohesive, it works and its still is one of my favourites, TBH it's a hard to define LP. It has elegant melancholy type tracks while the hardest rock that DD have ever released, IMO it's a fascinating mixture of ideas.
I often post about DD doing "the current mode thing" including having no stylistic boundary and my take on this belief for this LP is that Playing With Uranium sounds like Garbage (err the band I mean), Last Day On Earth a bit like the smashing pumpkins and I hear some oasis in Mars Meets Venus. I even hear a Bomfunk MC Freestyler synth sound on Someone Else Not Me it's very faint but evident. Call me crazy it's how my ears process what it is they hear.
Regardless this LP is a example of both an organic and machine made type blend whereas Medazzaland (which I absolutely love even more so than PT) was was more on the "electronic machinery" side of things rather than an equal organic blend.
Yet over the years of reading people's thoughts/PTs lack of popularity on this board and going by its lack of sales maybe PTs flaw is that it sounds like a lot of things but not DD.
I therefore MUST ask, "What is the DD sound ?................discuss !"
Personally I don't think it's the sound of simply the first 3 LP releases coz if this is the perspective? It suggests that all other 11 DD LPs are irrelevant, insignificant or not to be considered.
Which IMO, they are certainly not !
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Post by oakey on Jun 27, 2020 5:49:52 GMT -5
Thing is, other bands do and did this ‘edge’ thing much better than DD. Some examples listed in the post above.
To me PT was as much trying to be current and alternative as RCM was trying to be current and urban. It’s not just who they are and certainly not what they do best.
If I want to hear alternative US rock I’d listen to the original Smashing Pumpkins, Garbage or Pixies.
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Post by Rabbit Dog on Jun 27, 2020 8:56:00 GMT -5
Love Pop Trash, and that was a nice retrospective on the album on its 20th anniversary. Would have been even better had they commemorated it with a vinyl release, and an expanded CD with the Ken Scott mixes.
Playing With Uranium and Last Day On Earth are sublime.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 9:09:55 GMT -5
Love Pop Trash, and that was a nice retrospective on the album on its 20th anniversary. Would have been even better had they commemorated it with a vinyl release, and an expanded CD with the Ken Scott mixes. Playing With Uranium and Last Day On Earth are sublime. Expanded? I don’t think HQ even know what that means. They’ve slapped a bit of video together and said ‘there you go now run along.’ HQ have seen the defunct survey results and they know what fans wanted. I’m pretty sure Poptrash was in amongst the rankings for something ‘juicy’. But as normal they are restricted, or their hands are tied. Basically they are skint and nobody wants to invest in failed albums. Failed because somebody didn’t do their job properly first time round! Sorry, life’s too short. Always treading water. It really breaks my gonads. Playing with Uranium is beautiful by the way! Lol
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Post by ansgar on Jun 27, 2020 10:58:17 GMT -5
from: Ken Scott: Abbey Road to Ziggy Stardust --- www.amazon.co.uk/Abbey-Road-Ziggy-Stardust-Hardcover/dp/0739078585/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Abbey+Road+to+Ziggy+Stardust&qid=1593273260&sr=8-1--- One of the business problems that came about was that we made the record before we were signed. We had this great vibe and we were really happy with it and we were on top of the world when Hollywood Records wanted us. They heard a couple of songs that Nick and I had written for Blondie and they wanted us to do one on the album. We decided that we’d do it, then we heard from Hollywood that they wanted someone else to mix the album. Ken was mixing the album already and we wanted Ken’s sound. The label said, “No, they [the mixes] sound flat and it’s not going to work at radio.” I felt really uncomfortable because not only was our creative vision being taken away, then I had the personal thing with Ken once again. Warren Cuccurullo
Ken hated it because it [the remixed album] was very undynamic. The irony is that it sounds like it’s on the radio even when it’s not on the radio. It’s really, really compressed. There was one song that I absolutely refused to go with the other guy’s mix, so we went with Ken’s mix on “Starting to Remember” and it’s beautiful. With a guy like Ken there’s a depth of experience and a reverence for what he’s done. He’s a guy that’s done it long before we did it. We all learned how to make records, but we got him for a reason. I’m really glad of what he did for us on a performance level, but on a mix level I was so let down when we had to change to another mixer. What he [Ken] did was exactly our vision for the album. Warren Cuccurullo[/i] I do *not* like POP TRASH!!! But I do love the song (the mix of) STARTING TO REMEMBER, so yeah, I'd love to hear all those other Ken Scott mixes!!!
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