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Post by americanscientist on Sept 17, 2020 12:33:49 GMT -5
I’ll give DD the benefit of the doubt. PG was a solid follow up to AYNIN. There is a stellar 11 track album in the 18 or so songs that were released.
U2 now take 4-5 years between albums and most have been profound letdowns.
Pearl Jam, the defining band of my teens and early twenties. released its first album in 7 years and it disappeared without a trace earlier this Spring.
The Killers just released a new album that barely registered here in the States.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 12:51:42 GMT -5
I’ll give DD the benefit of the doubt. PG was a solid follow up to AYNIN. There is a stellar 11 track album in the 18 or so songs that were released. U2 now take 4-5 years between albums and most have been profound letdowns. Pearl Jam, the defining band of my teens and early twenties. released its first album in 7 years and it disappeared without a trace earlier this Spring. The Killers just released a new album that barely registered here in the States. The Killers previous album barely registered in the U.K. - and neither did this latest one. A question that I have never really had an adequate answer here.. and that is why are U2 constantly compared with DD in the USA? For one, U2 are what I would call a real ‘value for money’ live band and they have always enjoyed big successes, whereas DD seem to never hit 5th gear. Just curious.
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Post by medazzaboy1997 on Sept 17, 2020 13:34:59 GMT -5
I’ll give DD the benefit of the doubt. PG was a solid follow up to AYNIN. There is a stellar 11 track album in the 18 or so songs that were released. U2 now take 4-5 years between albums and most have been profound letdowns. Pearl Jam, the defining band of my teens and early twenties. released its first album in 7 years and it disappeared without a trace earlier this Spring. The Killers just released a new album that barely registered here in the States. The Killers previous album barely registered in the U.K. - and neither did this latest one. A question that I have never really had an adequate answer here.. and that is why are U2 constantly compared with DD in the USA? For one, U2 are what I would call a real ‘value for money’ live band and they have always enjoyed big successes, whereas DD seem to never hit 5th gear. Just curious. It seems to me like a syndrome, constantly comparing DD with U2. It can't be compared, U2 are in another league, whether someone likes it or not.
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Post by americanscientist on Sept 17, 2020 15:08:07 GMT -5
I’ll give DD the benefit of the doubt. PG was a solid follow up to AYNIN. There is a stellar 11 track album in the 18 or so songs that were released. U2 now take 4-5 years between albums and most have been profound letdowns. Pearl Jam, the defining band of my teens and early twenties. released its first album in 7 years and it disappeared without a trace earlier this Spring. The Killers just released a new album that barely registered here in the States. The Killers previous album barely registered in the U.K. - and neither did this latest one. A question that I have never really had an adequate answer here.. and that is why are U2 constantly compared with DD in the USA? For one, U2 are what I would call a real ‘value for money’ live band and they have always enjoyed big successes, whereas DD seem to never hit 5th gear. Just curious. The comparison here in the States comes from longevity and the same era of early MTV. And while they are still a huge live draw, U2 have fallen by the wayside in terms of cultural relevance. To many young people, U2 occupy the same place of Steel Wheels era Rolling Stones. In other words, “that old band that our parents love but we don’t get.”
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Post by sergejames on Sept 17, 2020 15:50:53 GMT -5
U2 were never "pretty." And the rock journalists back in the '80s adored them because they seemed "serious." So, U2 became relevant and Duran were seen as just "pretty boys." That is what happened in the US anyway.
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Post by zealous on Sept 17, 2020 19:40:41 GMT -5
Skinburns, It's like siblings having the same argument for 40+ years. No one but them really understands why they're debating the issue, and, likely, they don't even remember a time when they weren't debating the issue. So it's habit, and it's unresolvable. But mostly it's fun, and, I think, the debate brings fond memories/nostalgic feelings more than anything else.
But, yea, as serge said, there is also the issue of respect, which U2 received and Duran did not. So, again, like a siblings debate.
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Post by oakey on Sept 18, 2020 1:18:46 GMT -5
In my region, every male over 40 owns or owned at least one or more U2 CDs. Virtually none of them owns or owned DD CDs. Duran are at best a radio band over here, appreciated by those who like 80s pop like a-ha, Level 42, Culture Club. U2 are in the same league as Madonna, The Stones, Queen, Pink Floyd etc. Stadium fillers and rock royalty. A different league indeed. Serious acts who got the respect of critics and ther public. And all bands struggle to get their new releases noticed nowadays (even before covid).
Personally I never cared for U2, do like Achtung Baby though.
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Post by coolbarn on Sept 18, 2020 8:54:18 GMT -5
I’ll give DD the benefit of the doubt. PG was a solid follow up to AYNIN. There is a stellar 11 track album in the 18 or so songs that were released. Completely agree, most of the songwriting was pretty good on Paper Gods. What wasn't good was the song selections, production, instrumentation choices, and mixes. IF the band had: 1) Chosen the correct tracks (11 would have been a great number) 2) Stuck with the most suitable producer/s (ie Rodgers and/or Ronson) 3) Used more organic instruments - acoustic drums, bass guitar 4) Edited the overly long, self-indulgent, "journey" songs then Paper Gods was an absolute winner, a very strong album indeed. Unfortunately in my books it will go down as "an overall decent album, but one completely over-rated by Duran Duran that could have been so much more". U2 now take 4-5 years between albums and most have been profound letdowns. Pearl Jam, the defining band of my teens and early twenties. released its first album in 7 years and it disappeared without a trace earlier this Spring. The Killers just released a new album that barely registered here in the States. Yeah, but were those records any good? Quantity of sales seldom relates to quality of music, especially when it comes to older bands. Duran Duran sold more copies of Paper Gods than All You Need Is Now, and in my opinion AYNIN is noticeably better. There is no band still around today that started in the 80s, that will sell as many albums as in their heyday. Most won't come close, especially bands that were "biggest band in the world" at one stage of their career. U2 and Pearl Jam were definitely hottest band on the planet back in the day, with U2 holding the crown for a number of years. Off the top of my head, one band that started in the 80s that did sell more albums in future decades, is the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. But it is definitely one band that has improved with age like a fine wine, unlike most other bands whose defining albums were decades ago. RHCP may have released their first album in 1984, but it took them a good seven years, and numerous line-up changes until they settled on their "classic lineup", before they really gelled. And I can't see them selling millions of albums again in the future, even with Frusciante now back in the fold. So when you say an album "disappeared without a trace", or that an album "barely registered", that doesn't mean much because the vast majority of new albums by legacy bands disappear without a trace and barely register. Were the albums any good is what I'd like to know? I would rather hear a good album, like AYNIN, that doesn't chart, then listen to an average album, like Paper Gods, that does chart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 9:46:09 GMT -5
PG was just a mediocre album.
With the pedigree that this band enjoys, they should have put a bigger shift in and stop allowing others to bloody meddle with it!
It’s the same old discussion every single time.
I get that people here enjoy it. But if the original aim was chart success then this is a big fail.
Sad.
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Post by Max Zorin on Sept 18, 2020 17:20:29 GMT -5
Times have changed, the younger generations discover DD: "what great bass lines are in these songs!" and joke about U2: "Bono? Hypocrite from tax havens!"
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