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Post by davidbrouwer on Sept 22, 2020 11:58:46 GMT -5
Morodor produced and co-wrote Blondie's Call Me, which is a great single and showcases what he can do with a new wave band. He did some other pretty great stuff in the '80s too, like Berlin's "Take My Breath Away", Limahl's "Neverending Story", the original recording of Bowie's "Cat People (Putting Out Fire)" (even though I prefer the re-recording done with Nile), and his numerous collaborations with Phil Oakey. For this reason, I'm withholding judgment until I hear what they come up with. At the same time, I'm aware that (sadly) it's not the '80s anymore, and neither Duran or Moroder are consistently doing music that lives up to that of their glory days. Still, it put a smile on my face to hear that they were working together. Don't forget Flashdance - What a feeling, Kenny Loggins - Danger Zone, Freddie Mercury - Love Kills and Daft Punk - Giorgio by Moroder (although he didn't produce this one).
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Post by coolbarn on Sept 22, 2020 16:07:08 GMT -5
But I think that anything they do with Morodor will be more disco than modern EDM. I pray that is the case, as I love disco. And Duran's debut album, a masterpiece for a bunch of young, inexperienced musicians and songwriters, occasionally displayed a disco tinge. Duran Duran doing a rock/disco fusion, similar to their first album, would be pure bliss. I would love to see what Duran and Moroder could come up with in 2020. But EDM? Opposite end of the spectrum I'm afraid.
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Post by zealous on Sept 22, 2020 19:04:23 GMT -5
I love I Feel Love. Yes, I've heard a few things I don't love. But I have liked more than I've disliked. I'm hoping... coolbarn, I assume you hate edm dance music, when you said you hate dance music, since, disco is dance music.
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Post by Kiffa on Sept 22, 2020 19:33:05 GMT -5
A guilty pleasure of mine is Donna Summer's Morodor collaboration I Feel Love. Nothing to feel guilty about there-- it's a fantastic song, and the only reason I didn't mention it in my own post is that I was focusing on what he did in the '80s. But "I Feel Love" was a true game-changer. Many people here will already know this story, but that song came out when David Bowie was working with Brian Eno in Berlin, and one day Eno came into the studio with that record and proclaimed that it would be the sound of popular music for the next 15 years. Grunge and hip-hop may have cut his estimate short by a little bit, but he wasn't far off.
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Post by coolbarn on Sept 22, 2020 22:59:23 GMT -5
coolbarn , I assume you hate edm dance music, when you said you hate dance music, since, disco is dance music For sure There is a MASSIVE difference between "dance music", and "music you can dance to". If somebody says to you "Hey I went to <insert cool club here> the other night, and had a really good time", and you ask "Sweet, what sort of music do they play?", and they say "Dance music all night", then most people with half a brain know exactly what music is being described. My next question is NOT going to be "What sort of dance music - disco, swing, waltz, foxtrot, dancehall, Italo disco, Merengue music, or polka"? Thanks for allowing me to clarify though, because there has been one or two intellectually challenged people in the past who tried to argue by claiming that most Duran Duran music was "dance music", as they always made music for the dance floor, and that even Duran Duran themselves claimed they wanted to be the band to dance to when the bomb drops. Thankfully I was able to point out that that flippant comment was made by an excited young band who were just starting to make it big, before "dance music" (as understood by 99.9% of the population) was even invented, so it's unlikely that all albums made in future decades were going to adhere to the same principles every time. Is any music above a certain bpm, music that is fun to dance to, "dance music" by default? Of course not! You can dance to most styles of music if you put your mind to it. But to then by extension label that music as "dance music", is as confusing as hell Of course the same people also claimed that they loved that Duran Duran made a different style of music every album, as hearing the same music each record gets boring. So Duran Duran makes different music every record, yet magically it's always "dance music"? I tried dancing to Silva Halo once, and fell over. Am still trying to work that contradictory theory out, please PM if you solve the riddle.
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Post by zealous on Sept 23, 2020 22:31:00 GMT -5
@ Coolbarn, I seem to be part of a small minority here, but I do actually enjoy some good edmish type music. It's got to be more than a trance-inducing sound wall, but if it's interesting I can get behind it. While I know that Duran did say that line about wanting to be the band people were dancing to when the bomb dropped, I also recall Nick saying, in an interview, that they had no interest in being part of the rave scene. So, I'm aware they have a particular style in mind. Anyway, it has been a curiosity what people deem "dance" when they use that word as a descripter, since most, I hear, use it the way you did. Plenty of people think of disco, strictly, as dance music so it's easy to see how that could be confusing if it's not made clear. But I knew what you meant.
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Post by coolbarn on Sept 24, 2020 7:18:06 GMT -5
@ Coolbarn, I seem to be part of a small minority here, but I do actually enjoy some good edmish type music. It's got to be more than a trance-inducing sound wall, but if it's interesting I can get behind it. That's cool! And I know worldwide it's popular with many people. As I said - there is a time and place for dance music. In a club, designed for dancing, seems a pretty good place for it I personally don't take drugs myself, but plenty of young kids (and old for that matter) go to those sorts of places, and dance for 36 hours until they pass out. BUT... If I'm going on a long drive, then I'm not putting on dance music. If I'm wanting to relax before bed, then I'm not putting on dance music. If I want to put on headphones and get away for a little while, I'm not putting on dance music. If I'm dancing with my girlfriend, I can tolerate dance music. And if it's good to dance to, and I get to show off my awesome moves, then I CAN actually enjoy dance music! But it's certainly got a short shelf-life with me - it can overstay its welcome very quickly While I know that Duran did say that line about wanting to be the band people were dancing to when the bomb dropped, I also recall Nick saying, in an interview, that they had no interest in being part of the rave scene. So, I'm aware they have a particular style in mind. Well I hope you're right, because as already mentioned, I don't take drugs, nor frequent raves, so the thought of Duran doing rave music makes me start to sweat, and just a little bit of vomit starts to gather at the back of my throat. Sadly - what's the bet that the two Moroder tracks (provided Duran don't scrap them and start again) are closer to rave music, than Together In Electric Dreams Anyway, it has been a curiosity what people deem "dance" when they use that word as a descripter, since most, I hear, use it the way you did. Plenty of people think of disco, strictly, as dance music so it's easy to see how that could be confusing if it's not made clear. But I knew what you meant. I knew you would - you have three times the mental faculties of some people. (Yes that's right - you have one and a half brains - well done ) Now here's the irony. Well not irony - I hate it when people confuse irony with coincidence, which happens all the time. No irony, no coincidence, quite simply I have a double-standard when it comes to Duran Duran. The truth is - I don't hate keyboard-based music per se. I happen to enjoy quite a few bands that had prominent keyboards, such as Pet Shop Boys, The Cure, The Doors, Depeche Mode, Supertramp, The Cars, and ELO for example. They are all great bands. The double-standard is that I DO hate keyboard heavy music when Duran Duran do it. You see Duran Duran is MY band - I enjoy the other bands, but haven't loved them since I was a kid, like I have with Duran Duran. I haven't bought every album, listened to every song multiple times, listening for each band member's contribution, like I have with Duran Duran. To me - a Duran Duran album is an experience. I want to hear Simon's mesmerising vocal melodies, for John to knock it out of the park and lead the way, to hear Roger show his power and variety, plus I hope for amazing guitar riffs, and atmospheric chords from Nick. The first couple of Duran Duran albums gave me that and more, and so I started to expect it. But then Andy's contribution and overall sound started to dwindle, and it was obvious that Duran Duran were slowly evolving. Sometimes for the better - more often not. You see, when Duran Duran play EDM styled music, my concern is that the keyboards are front, right, and centre, and pretty much all I hear. All of a sudden, the album has become a Nick Rhodes record, with Simon Lebon on guest vocals. John often joins along playing synth bass, a complete waste of talent. Roger phones it in, copying and pasting four bars on most songs, and his work appears to be done in five minutes. And then they either get Dom, or <insert guest guitarist here>, to tack on some guitar as an afterthought. Often Simon's vocal melodies suffer on these songs as well. That's not what I signed up for. Not Duran Duran. I'm totally happy for the Pet Shop Boys to be keyboard-based. But Duran Duran are not the Pet Shop Boys, and when I don't get five instrumentalists contributing equally, I start to feel short-changed.
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Post by oakey on Sept 24, 2020 10:33:42 GMT -5
Dance music or even EdM are lazy labels. Just like our grandparents see pop music as one genre that consists of very similar music
I love a lot of the pure dance pop music that is currently out there, Dua Lipa etc. And I do love DD’s flirt with this genre in LNITC.
Dance music is music you can dance to, from ballroom music to waltzes, and from disco to 80s pop, incl Duran
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Post by coolbarn on Sept 24, 2020 16:08:06 GMT -5
Dance music is music you can dance to, from ballroom music to waltzes, and from disco to 80s pop, incl Duran Don't you think though Oak - by labelling all music you can dance to as "dance music", then you might as well not use that description at all - because you can dance to most music. It actually encompasses so many different and varied styles of music, that it ceases being effective, and actually becomes confusing. It would be like coming up with a new style of music called "chord music" - any music which incorporates chords. While it may be an accurate description, it doesn't really paint a clear vision in the mind of listener.
I mean, at least "Electronic Dance Music" narrows it down a fraction, and puts a slightly more vivid picture in the mind of the person hearing the description. If I were a raver, and a friend told me that a band down the road were playing dance music, and I turned up and it was a bunch of septuagenarians playing ballroom music, or an orchestra playing waltzes, I don't think I'd hang around for too long. Not unless those old timers had some amazing MDMA on them.
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Post by oakey on Sept 25, 2020 0:07:05 GMT -5
Dance music is music you can dance to, from ballroom music to waltzes, and from disco to 80s pop, incl Duran Don't you think though Oak - by labelling all music you can dance to as "dance music", then you might as well not use that description at all - because you can dance to most music. It actually encompasses so many different and varied styles of music, that it ceases being effective, and actually becomes confusing. It would be like coming up with a new style of music called "chord music" - any music which incorporates chords. While it may be an accurate description, it doesn't really paint a clear vision in the mind of listener.
I mean, at least "Electronic Dance Music" narrows it down a fraction, and puts a slightly more vivid picture in the mind of the person hearing the description. If I were a raver, and a friend told me that a band down the road were playing dance music, and I turned up and it was a bunch of septuagenarians playing ballroom music, or an orchestra playing waltzes, I don't think I'd hang around for too long. Not unless those old timers had some amazing MDMA on them.
Indeed, dance music is not a label I would use. Neither would I use EDM which I think is predominantly used in the US. Maybe dance pop is something I would use, for the rest I would specify: trance, deep house, disco, synth pop etc
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