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Post by amiestilo on Jul 11, 2021 14:25:56 GMT -5
Let me start this thread because many of us are mistakenly confusing Pegasus vinyl releases with DD Fan Club label products. Here's the latest thing from Pegasus: Duran Duran - London 2LP: Pegasus • 079 (EU 2021) Limited edition double LP set is factory pressed on shiny black vinyl, each record is housed in a glossy laminated thick inner sleeve and placed in glossy laminated gatefold picture sleeve with the image of an alternative painting by Nagel which the band bought. Package includes a 6-panel folded insert. Recorded live at London's Hammersmith Odeon - November 4 and 16, 1982. Professional soundboard recording. Tracklisting: Rio Hungry Like The Wolf Last Chance On The Stairway Lonely In Your Nightmare Sound Of Thunder Night Boat New Religion Friends Of Mine Save A Prayer Planet Earth Hold Back The Rain Careless Memories Make Me Smile (Come Up And See Me) Girls On Film Rio 35th Anniversary: An Oral History
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Post by redmumba on Jul 11, 2021 20:29:27 GMT -5
Let me start this thread because many of us are mistakenly confusing Pegasus vinyl releases with DD Fan Club label products. Here's the latest thing from Pegasus: Duran Duran - London 2LP: Pegasus • 079 (EU 2021) Limited edition double LP set is factory pressed on shiny black vinyl, each record is housed in a glossy laminated thick inner sleeve and placed in glossy laminated gatefold picture sleeve with the image of an alternative painting by Nagel which the band bought. Package includes a 6-panel folded insert. Recorded live at London's Hammersmith Odeon - November 4 and 16, 1982. Professional soundboard recording. Tracklisting: <<snip>> Yes, but the DD Fan Club is a facilitator of Pegasus products, even though they (DDFC) do not manufacture the items. Selling these overpriced items reflects poorly on the site, despite the plethora of great items they've come out with over the past few years.
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Post by tfranson on Jul 12, 2021 8:40:36 GMT -5
Let me start this thread because many of us are mistakenly confusing Pegasus vinyl releases with DD Fan Club label products. Here's the latest thing from Pegasus: Duran Duran - London 2LP: Pegasus • 079 (EU 2021) Limited edition double LP set is factory pressed on shiny black vinyl, each record is housed in a glossy laminated thick inner sleeve and placed in glossy laminated gatefold picture sleeve with the image of an alternative painting by Nagel which the band bought. Package includes a 6-panel folded insert. Recorded live at London's Hammersmith Odeon - November 4 and 16, 1982. Professional soundboard recording. Tracklisting: <<snip>> Yes, but the DD Fan Club is a facilitator of Pegasus products, even though they (DDFC) do not manufacture the items. Selling these overpriced items reflects poorly on the site, despite the plethora of great items they've come out with over the past few years. I don't find Pegasus Records to be overpriced. They are impeccably produced and designed, with great attention to detail. Tons of extras and fantastic inner sleeves. A bargain compared to The Vinyl Factory releases.
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Post by vermeerf on Jul 12, 2021 9:12:12 GMT -5
Yes, but the DD Fan Club is a facilitator of Pegasus products, even though they (DDFC) do not manufacture the items. Selling these overpriced items reflects poorly on the site, despite the plethora of great items they've come out with over the past few years. I don't find Pegasus Records to be overpriced. They are impeccably produced and designed, with great attention to detail. Tons of extras and fantastic inner sleeves. A bargain compared to The Vinyl Factory releases. Or the crappy Greek releases... I fully agree with you about these not being overpriced considering the detail and obvious craftmanship and love that goes into making these.
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Post by tfranson on Jul 12, 2021 9:31:05 GMT -5
There are some really awful and expensive bootlegs out there. Pegasus Records are consistently gorgeous and high quality.
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Post by medazzaland71 on Jul 12, 2021 14:14:00 GMT -5
Yes, but the DD Fan Club is a facilitator of Pegasus products, even though they (DDFC) do not manufacture the items. Selling these overpriced items reflects poorly on the site, despite the plethora of great items they've come out with over the past few years. I don't find Pegasus Records to be overpriced. They are impeccably produced and designed, with great attention to detail. Tons of extras and fantastic inner sleeves. A bargain compared to The Vinyl Factory releases. I couldn't aggree more.
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Post by amiestilo on Jul 12, 2021 14:15:01 GMT -5
Yes, but the DD Fan Club is a facilitator of Pegasus products, even though they (DDFC) do not manufacture the items. Selling these overpriced items reflects poorly on the site, despite the plethora of great items they've come out with over the past few years. First off, I totally disagree with the term overpriced here. Have you been to The Vinyl Factory website? Please let me know how many of their releases did you buy? As already mentioned, the Pegasus items are very cool, thought through and factory pressed limited editions. Always packed with extra stuff like postcards, booklets, inserts, posters. Most releases are double vinyl sets in gatefold sleeves. I don't think you can produce such things for cheap. And on top of it - shipping prices nowadays are insane, keep in mind the vinyl set weight too. But what's the point of complaining about the high prices if you are not going to buy Pegasus stuff? Overpriced items reflect poorly on the site? Come on. These are for collector's only, not for an average fan who can't even tell the counterfeit from bootleg.
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Post by redmumba on Jul 12, 2021 19:32:16 GMT -5
Yes, but the DD Fan Club is a facilitator of Pegasus products, even though they (DDFC) do not manufacture the items. Selling these overpriced items reflects poorly on the site, despite the plethora of great items they've come out with over the past few years. First off, I totally disagree with the term overpriced here. Have you been to The Vinyl Factory website? Please let me know how many of their releases did you buy? As already mentioned, the Pegasus items are very cool, thought through and factory pressed limited editions. Always packed with extra stuff like postcards, booklets, inserts, posters. Most releases are double vinyl sets in gatefold sleeves. I don't think you can produce such things for cheap. And on top of it - shipping prices nowadays are insane, keep in mind the vinyl set weight too. But what's the point of complaining about the high prices if you are not going to buy Pegasus stuff? Overpriced items reflect poorly on the site? Come on. These are for collector's only, not for an average fan who can't even tell the counterfeit from bootleg. You can disagree with my opinion and that's your right, but I still stand by what I said as that's my opinion whether you agree with it or not. And yes, I've been to the Vinyl Factory website. The only thing that I've bought from them has been the All You Need Is Now box set. Aside from Duran, there's only been one other artist of interest that I would have bought stuff of, but decided not to. Besides Duran, what other artists have you purchased stuff from via VF? Very cool items does not negate the fact that they're essentially unauthorized pressings. The additional items like postcards, booklets, inserts and posters do not significantly affect the weight of a double vinyl set. As for shipping prices, I've ordered two single LPs - equal to a double vinyl gatefold set - from the UK and the p&p was £10.90 (roughly $15). So, since you're shilling so hard for the Duran store, explain to me a $40 shipping charge - go on. And most of this stuff that Pegasus is regurgitating on vinyl has either appeared on vinyl elsewhere, appeared on CD or is out there digitally. Apparently, I'm "not" a collector if I don't go bobbing my head along agreeing with others that this shit is the dog's bollocks, but oh well. I guess I'm an "average" fan, eh? There are some of us out there that have to be a bit judicious and conservative with our money. It's my right to opine that the price is too high, even if I'm not going to buy it. And it's not complaining, it's stating a fact. I can find examples of 2xLP gatefold sets - legitimate ones - that cost 3x less than what's on offer. Here, this is a record set that was just announced today for a group I like: superdeluxeedition.com/news/the-charlatans-coloured-vinyl-reissue/Not only is it a 2xLP in a gatefold, but it's on colored vinyl AND, get this.....it'd only cost me $28.99. Now, what shipping will be, I don't know, but I know it'd be a damn sight less than $40. Let's stick with the SDE site since it's easy access to make points. Here, Thin Lizzy has a 2xLP gatefold coming out and it'd only cost me $30: superdeluxeedition.com/news/thin-lizzy-greatest-hits-to-be-issued-on-2lp-vinyl/Well, what about 3xLP set? I can answer that too - it'd still be less that what's being charged for that Pegasus 2xLP set. The Rolling Stones have a 3xLP - colored vinyl, no less! - that's out now and only costs $54! www.fnac.com/a15876941/The-Rolling-Stones-A-Bigger-Bang-Live-On-Copacabana-Beach-Edition-Limitee-Exclusivite-Fnac-Vinyle-Colore-Vinyle-album?awc=12665_1626135912_c21567c7748b32e3f89dcd73639f1c2f&ectrans=1As for the shipping, it probably wouldn't be that expensive and certainly less than the $40 that's being charged for the Pegasus set. So, what was your point again?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 20:24:54 GMT -5
First off, I totally disagree with the term overpriced here. Have you been to The Vinyl Factory website? Please let me know how many of their releases did you buy? As already mentioned, the Pegasus items are very cool, thought through and factory pressed limited editions. Always packed with extra stuff like postcards, booklets, inserts, posters. Most releases are double vinyl sets in gatefold sleeves. I don't think you can produce such things for cheap. And on top of it - shipping prices nowadays are insane, keep in mind the vinyl set weight too. But what's the point of complaining about the high prices if you are not going to buy Pegasus stuff? Overpriced items reflect poorly on the site? Come on. These are for collector's only, not for an average fan who can't even tell the counterfeit from bootleg. You can disagree with my opinion and that's your right, but I still stand by what I said as that's my opinion whether you agree with it or not. And yes, I've been to the Vinyl Factory website. The only thing that I've bought from them has been the All You Need Is Now box set. Aside from Duran, there's only been one other artist of interest that I would have bought stuff of, but decided not to. Besides Duran, what other artists have you purchased stuff from via VF? Very cool items does not negate the fact that they're essentially unauthorized pressings. The additional items like postcards, booklets, inserts and posters do not significantly affect the weight of a double vinyl set. As for shipping prices, I've ordered two single LPs - equal to a double vinyl gatefold set - from the UK and the p&p was £10.90 (roughly $15). So, since you're shilling so hard for the Duran store, explain to me a $40 shipping charge - go on. And most of this stuff that Pegasus is regurgitating on vinyl has either appeared on vinyl elsewhere, appeared on CD or is out there digitally. Apparently, I'm "not" a collector if I don't go bobbing my head along agreeing with others that this shit is the dog's bollocks, but oh well. I guess I'm an "average" fan, eh? There are some of us out there that have to be a bit judicious and conservative with our money. It's my right to opine that the price is too high, even if I'm not going to buy it. And it's not complaining, it's stating a fact. I can find examples of 2xLP gatefold sets - legitimate ones - that cost 3x less than what's on offer. Here, this is a record set that was just announced today for a group I like: superdeluxeedition.com/news/the-charlatans-coloured-vinyl-reissue/Not only is it a 2xLP in a gatefold, but it's on colored vinyl AND, get this.....it'd only cost me $28.99. Now, what shipping will be, I don't know, but I know it'd be a damn sight less than $40. Let's stick with the SDE site since it's easy access to make points. Here, Thin Lizzy has a 2xLP gatefold coming out and it'd only cost me $30: superdeluxeedition.com/news/thin-lizzy-greatest-hits-to-be-issued-on-2lp-vinyl/Well, what about 3xLP set? I can answer that too - it'd still be less that what's being charged for that Pegasus 2xLP set. The Rolling Stones have a 3xLP - colored vinyl, no less! - that's out now and only costs $54! www.fnac.com/a15876941/The-Rolling-Stones-A-Bigger-Bang-Live-On-Copacabana-Beach-Edition-Limitee-Exclusivite-Fnac-Vinyle-Colore-Vinyle-album?awc=12665_1626135912_c21567c7748b32e3f89dcd73639f1c2f&ectrans=1As for the shipping, it probably wouldn't be that expensive and certainly less than the $40 that's being charged for the Pegasus set. So, what was your point again? These aren't something that i personally choose to collect (& i have bought all of the VF releases) - however i'm sure that the shipping element has been covered before.
So yeah, it's perfectly possible to have stuff posted for tuppence without insurance...
...so, using the DD white double album for the weight (since i've got an unopened packaged copy to hand), since you've chosen the UK as an example, then looking stuff up to the US on the Royal Mail website then - - without insurance, any packaging cost & with a 2-12 week delivery time then it'd cost £7.50 (~$10.52)
- however with insurance (obviously up to £250 due to the value) & much faster tracking/signed delivery, but still without including packaging, it'd cost £25.05 (~$34.81). Now this is just using the mid-rate sterling-to-dollar rate - whereas PayPal obviously weights things to make money whichever way you're going... ...AND the cash will need to be converted into an alt currency to actually pay for the postage... ...plus, naturally, PayPal also take a %age from the recipient for a commercial sale irrespective of whether the money sent is for the item itself or the postage... ...& there's whatever the packaging cost is. So, whilst we're looking at the postage costs from the UK to the US, not Finland(?) to the US, $40 really doesn't seem disproportionate in the slightest.
Yeah, so whilst my sending things to other fans on occasion then they can decide their level of risk - so, come October & the FP release, it'll be up to everyone involved if they want copies of the Amazon UK exclusive signed CD to be sent as cheaply as possible or with all the insurance in the world... ...& i will have zero liability either which way as it's their call...
(& naturally the cash will be sent via the Friends & Family option so that there's no fees for me or money back guaranty)
...if something goes wrong with something you've bought from the DD Fan Club Store then either they put it right (sending a replacement or refunding) or you claim via PayPal & you've got the money back... So, whereas with me sending a few copies of the Amazon CD around the world then all of the risk is with the recipients, with anything from the DD Fan Club Store then all the risk is with the store.
Oh, & we also know that the DD Fan Club Store does put things right even when there is no claim against the postal insurance - as there was that mispressed CD a few years ago where x amount had to have replacement copies sent out... ...where no one was asked to send any extra cash.
So, as to the value of the Pegasus releases themselves then i simply cannot comment - as i have no real interest in them vs collecting the (mostly) merch & whatnot i focus upon... ...& have zero knowledge of the economics of any of it... ...but i really think you need to roll back on the postage element as i don't believe you've actually added up the basic costs involved, given where the risk lies if anything goes wrong.
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Just as another thought about stuff, whilst it coincidentally does seem that the pricing from the UK to the US & (i believe) Finland to the US with full insurance looks to be pretty similar...
(depending on what's actually included in the postage vs the item from the store - as i've just given examples of where the money for postage would go with insurance & packaging & PayPal fees & whatnot - the UK may actually be a little more expensive for a directly comparable service)
...i'm not convinced that basing an argument on any UK pricing is reasonable.
i mean even if i was actually comparing semi-identical postal services, if there were an equivalent store in Canada that i was buying stuff from, would it be reasonable for me to suggest that, because shipping via the USPS from the US was cheaper, this hypothetical store was ripping people off...
...when it would have nothing to do with the store but instead because CanadaPost is expensive.
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Post by amiestilo on Jul 13, 2021 1:41:09 GMT -5
So, what was your point again? Initially, my point was simply to start a new thread to post the information about the Pegasus releases, not to start a new pointless war between the fans.
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