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Post by pollo194 on Jul 31, 2021 0:36:07 GMT -5
Billboard has, indeed, quoted the “100M” figure, but there is no back up or breakdown of that- it’s as if the Billboard writer simply took whatever was in the band’s press release as gospel. Or, if Billboard ever did breakdown the 100M, would love to see that. There are so many ways to go at this. One easy way is to look at the band’s own statements about record sales, dating back to the Medazatrash era (when it was 60M sold!). To account an additional 40M in sales in the last 20 years, you have to believe that DD’s back catalogue is as popular or selling at a rate close to what it did during the the heyday (‘81-‘85). And yet we know they aren’t, at least not in the US, according to RIAA. I know, I know - Sunrise was #1 on some dance chart in 2004!!! And…streaming!! That must be it… I think DD is certainly entitled to exaggerate. I want them to have sold 100M. Just hard when you look at RIAA and see it’s nowhere near that. You’d think US sales would be a bigger percentage of the total…🤷♂️ (13M) www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=Duran+Duran#search_sectionTo be fair, DD’s catalogue was probably audited by RIAA like 15 years ago. But yeah, 100 million is an exaggeration.
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Post by andre005 on Jul 31, 2021 0:56:02 GMT -5
Billboard has, indeed, quoted the “100M” figure, but there is no back up or breakdown of that- it’s as if the Billboard writer simply took whatever was in the band’s press release as gospel. Or, if Billboard ever did breakdown the 100M, would love to see that. There are so many ways to go at this. One easy way is to look at the band’s own statements about record sales, dating back to the Medazatrash era (when it was 60M sold!). To account an additional 40M in sales in the last 20 years, you have to believe that DD’s back catalogue is as popular or selling at a rate close to what it did during the the heyday (‘81-‘85). And yet we know they aren’t, at least not in the US, according to RIAA. I know, I know - Sunrise was #1 on some dance chart in 2004!!! And…streaming!! That must be it… I think DD is certainly entitled to exaggerate. I want them to have sold 100M. Just hard when you look at RIAA and see it’s nowhere near that. You’d think US sales would be a bigger percentage of the total…🤷♂️ (13M) www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=Duran+Duran#search_sectionTo be fair, DD’s catalogue was probably audited by RIAA like 15 years ago. But yeah, 100 million is an exaggeration. Where is your proof? They had over 80 million records sold 20 yrs ago .. how do you know it’s an exaggeration? You can then say that about a boatload of other artists too.. if billboard said it why wouldn’t it be true ? www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7556897/duran-duran-ascap-awards-golden-note-award-london
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Post by poptrash on Jul 31, 2021 3:19:45 GMT -5
And what is your proof Andre? Billboard? It all comes from media experts at record companies which put these numbers in press releases and the media, incl Billboard, is just copying it.
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Post by nileblogers on Jul 31, 2021 3:46:23 GMT -5
Decade sold a boatload of albums worldwide.... Shame that boat was a dinghy🤣
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 4:24:55 GMT -5
Decade sold a boatload of albums worldwide.... Shame that boat was a dinghy🤣 PMSL!!!!
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Post by andre005 on Jul 31, 2021 6:23:01 GMT -5
Decade sold a boatload of albums worldwide.... Shame that boat was a dinghy🤣 Still not bad.. went platinum in UK and USA!! Certifications for Decade Region Certification Certified units/sales United Kingdom (BPI)[13] Platinum 300,000^ United States (RIAA)[14] Platinum 1,000,000^
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Post by uraniumplayer on Jul 31, 2021 8:05:57 GMT -5
And what is your proof Andre? Billboard? It all comes from media experts at record companies which put these numbers in press releases and the media, incl Billboard, is just copying it. 100% agree poptrash But here’s the thing - the logic of the “100M sold” collapses under its own weight even just when using DD’s own press releases. Let’s accept the absurd 80M figure from 20 years ago. Let’s not even get into how it was 60M in the late 90’s. How, exactly, did they sell 20M more albums from 2000 to now? On the strength of hits like Someone Else Not Me, Falling Down, and Last Night in the City? 😂🤣 We do know Live From London DVD did well (1M in the US) - but 20M worldwide?!? Someone will undoubtedly say “Astronaut,” which was never certified in the US. I do recall Warren, who as everyone remembers gets 1/6 the royalties, saying in an interview that it hasn’t done well based on what he’s been paid. There is some stat out there that Astronaut sold 2.5M worldwide. That may or may not be true - it seems high given its sales in the UK & US- but even so…no way Live from London & Astronaut account for 20M in sales. Then will come the back catalogue argument- or streaming - but the sheer amount of sales / streams / downloads to achieve 20M would mean that DD’s back catalogue’s popularity is on par with contemporary artists and even as big as it was in the 80’s. If the back catalogue was selling /streaming at that high a rate, wouldn’t classic DD albums / songs show up in charts again ?
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Post by andre005 on Jul 31, 2021 9:17:57 GMT -5
And what is your proof Andre? Billboard? It all comes from media experts at record companies which put these numbers in press releases and the media, incl Billboard, is just copying it. 100% agree poptrash But here’s the thing - the logic of the “100M sold” collapses under its own weight even just when using DD’s own press releases. Let’s accept the absurd 80M figure from 20 years ago. Let’s not even get into how it was 60M in the late 90’s. How, exactly, did they sell 20M more albums from 2000 to now? On the strength of hits like Someone Else Not Me, Falling Down, and Last Night in the City? 😂🤣 We do know Live From London DVD did well (1M in the US) - but 20M worldwide?!? Someone will undoubtedly say “Astronaut,” which was never certified in the US. I do recall Warren, who as everyone remembers gets 1/6 the royalties, saying in an interview that it hasn’t done well based on what he’s been paid. There is some stat out there that Astronaut sold 2.5M worldwide. That may or may not be true - it seems high given its sales in the UK & US- but even so…no way Live from London & Astronaut account for 20M in sales. Then will come the back catalogue argument- or streaming - but the sheer amount of sales / streams / downloads to achieve 20M would mean that DD’s back catalogue’s popularity is on par with contemporary artists and even as big as it was in the 80’s. If the back catalogue was selling /streaming at that high a rate, wouldn’t classic DD albums / songs show up in charts again ? They counted singles and probably counted concert dvds not just albums .. but if you question Duran you better be questioning everyone else too! Fair is fair ! 🤔
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Post by pollo194 on Jul 31, 2021 11:17:33 GMT -5
Here's the thing Andre. Most of the time, journalists don't have the time to investigate for every article they write so they rely on press releases sent by bands. So, if a band says they've sold a gizzillion albums, they won't bother to question it. I'm an indie artist myself and believe me, I've experienced it. Like uraniumplayer says. It is questionable how a band that claimed to have sold 60 MM albums by the late 90's have almost doubled the amount in their last 20 years, considering there hasn't been an album or single that has survived more than a month in the charts, and touring-wise they have mostly played in smaller venues. Maybe the band has done some external auditing of the catalogue, or we are missing something. But it just seems odd. Most of us don't have access to sale figures, but it's just common sense.
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Post by zealous on Aug 1, 2021 14:06:24 GMT -5
Huey Lewis has that weird cult following because of American Psycho. Really, I'm not surprised MJ and Madonna got favorable mention given the times we're in. They deserve recognition for sure. But the first videos I remember seeing on mtv were definitely not mj or madonna. Also, I've been aware for some time of the collective omission of Duran Duran from all sorts of 80s compilations and 80s music history type documentaries. It actually makes me wonder if they pissed someone off back in the day and that was revenge. Agree that DD gets unfairly overlooked. I can’t speak for other countries, but in the US, Huey Lewis was huge circa 1984-87. All over the radio, MTV…at least as big as DD, likely bigger (in the US). Sports and Fore! sold 10M combined- far more than DD in that era. It’s definitely not just because of American Psycho. I don't think their popularity was because of American Psycho. I'm aware they were really successful and had a huge fan following, and likely still do. My comment was about why they were a focus for mtv's 40th celebration. There were lots of artists who were super successful during that time. But, because of American Psycho, and the fact that it has such a weird cult following, Huey Lewis and the News has relevance still, where those other artists might be doing nostalgia tours. Huey Lewis doesn't have to do nostalgia tours to be relevant. He's a meme and a character now, just like Billy Idol. I think that mtv chose to highlight artists whose image has eclipsed whatever they were during their time on mtv. That's Huey Lewis.
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