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Post by oakey on Aug 2, 2021 11:51:30 GMT -5
I saw the unedited Eurovision performance of Madonna live on TV, which was indeed terrible (as much a Madonna fan as I am!). Also, the Live in Turino 1987 show is also terrible in terms of her singing qualities. After 1987 she started to use playback and autotune, which of course improved the live concerts Nowadays most of her live stuff is prerecorded. Saw her live once, great show but not mych live vocals. OW is not my favourite track and neither is Pavarotti a favourite singer, and I can't stand The Cranberries, so I'll pass on those ones.
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Post by andre005 on Aug 2, 2021 11:55:45 GMT -5
I saw the unedited Eurovision performance of Madonna live on TV, which was indeed terrible (as much a Madonna fan as I am!). Also, the Live in Turino 1987 show is also terrible in terms of her singing qualities. After 1987 she started to use playback and autotune, which of course improved the live concerts Nowadays most of her live stuff is prerecorded. Saw her live once, great show but not mych live vocals. OW is not my favourite track and neither is Pavarotti a favourite singer, and I can't stand The Cranberries, so I'll pass on those ones. Oakey, do you have to do you have to do you have to let it linger what about Solo Simon in 🇮🇹? Great performance on a very hard song imo to do live !
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Post by oakey on Aug 2, 2021 12:04:36 GMT -5
Yes that sounds great andre
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Post by Rabbit Dog on Aug 2, 2021 12:07:23 GMT -5
I think some fans here over-rate Duran Duran's contribution to music. NOTE - THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT DURAN DURAN ARE NO GOOD. DURAN DURAN ARE BRILLIANT. IT'S SOME FANS' ROSE-COLOURED GLASSES THAT ARE NO GOOD. Duran Duran were never really about huge, mega sales. They never had a song that still gets solid rotation to this day, they never had a hit like Karma Chameleon, Girls Just Want To Have Fun, or Total Eclipse Of The Heart which defined the 80s and which everyone still recognises. A few came close - Hungry Like The Wolf still has cred, and Girls On Film made a stir, but there was no Billy Jean, or Holiday, or Wake Me Up Before You Go Go, that would get automatic pride of place at any 80s party. Duran were no slouches. Is There Something I Should Know was unusual and debuted at number one, plus of course they had The Reflex, and some number twos in Save A Prayer, Wild Boys, and A View To A Kill. But even though there are a million acts who would die for two UK number ones, and three UK number twos, Duran still didn't sell quite as well as some other acts. But they were popular, their videos were popular, their concerts were popular, and magazines which featured the lads were popular. Duran Duran are a great 80s band. But they are not quite upper echelon like Michael Jackson and Madonna, and they will always have the "good looking Bee Gees curse" attributed to them, so of course most publications are not going to highlight Duran unless they really have to.
PS - Andre, I know you're itching to reply and say how most of those mentioned songs suck, and that Duran were much better. That's fair mate, but I'm just basing that observation on the other 7.6 billion people in the world.
That's a fairly good appraisal of the situation Coolbarn. Duran Duran never actually seemed to have a stellar massive hit in the way some other artists did. Duran Duran's strength through the 80s was to churn out good single after good single in a very consistent manner - their sales were built up over a long period of time with a rack of solid but never stellar hits in terms of sales. In contrast, I'm pretty sure Frankie Goes To Hollywood's first two singles (Relax and Two Tribes) outsold anything by DD several times over in the UK. The FGTH star shone extremely brightly and burned out in no time at all. But I'm glad the DD were longer-term and had time to build up an incredible back catalogue over a number of years. And there was a "premier League" of acts like Michael Jackson and Madonna that were absolute superstars in the 80s. George Michael got into that category when he switched from Wham to his solo career too. Duran Duran didn't quite make it to that level of superstardom, although they perhaps came close around 1984. But thankfully time has been kind to DD and their stock and relevance has improved over the decades.
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Post by andre005 on Aug 2, 2021 12:18:24 GMT -5
I think some fans here over-rate Duran Duran's contribution to music. NOTE - THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT DURAN DURAN ARE NO GOOD. DURAN DURAN ARE BRILLIANT. IT'S SOME FANS' ROSE-COLOURED GLASSES THAT ARE NO GOOD. Duran Duran were never really about huge, mega sales. They never had a song that still gets solid rotation to this day, they never had a hit like Karma Chameleon, Girls Just Want To Have Fun, or Total Eclipse Of The Heart which defined the 80s and which everyone still recognises. A few came close - Hungry Like The Wolf still has cred, and Girls On Film made a stir, but there was no Billy Jean, or Holiday, or Wake Me Up Before You Go Go, that would get automatic pride of place at any 80s party. Duran were no slouches. Is There Something I Should Know was unusual and debuted at number one, plus of course they had The Reflex, and some number twos in Save A Prayer, Wild Boys, and A View To A Kill. But even though there are a million acts who would die for two UK number ones, and three UK number twos, Duran still didn't sell quite as well as some other acts. But they were popular, their videos were popular, their concerts were popular, and magazines which featured the lads were popular. Duran Duran are a great 80s band. But they are not quite upper echelon like Michael Jackson and Madonna, and they will always have the "good looking Bee Gees curse" attributed to them, so of course most publications are not going to highlight Duran unless they really have to. PS - Andre, I know you're itching to reply and say how most of those mentioned songs suck, and that Duran were much better. That's fair mate, but I'm just basing that observation on the other 7.6 billion people in the world.
That's a fairly good appraisal of the situation Coolbarn. Duran Duran never actually seemed to have a stellar massive hit in the way some other artists did. Duran Duran's strength through the 80s was to churn out good single after good single in a very consistent manner - their sales were built up over a long period of time with a rack of solid but never stellar hits in terms of sales. In contrast, I'm pretty sure Frankie Goes To Hollywood's first two singles (Relax and Two Tribes) outsold anything by DD several times over in the UK. The FGTH star shone extremely brightly and burned out in no time at all. But I'm glad the DD were longer-term and had time to build up an incredible back catalogue over a number of years. And there was a "premier League" of acts like Michael Jackson and Madonna that were absolute superstars in the 80s. George Michael got into that category when he switched from Wham to his solo career too. Duran Duran didn't quite make it to that level of superstardom, although they perhaps came close around 1984. But thankfully time has been kind to DD and their stock and relevance has improved over the decades. What is it with Madness and Frankie goes to Hollywood? Was Frankie ever a real band? I mean come on...all one hit wonders in the America and you guys in UK treat these 2 bands as GREAT! Why?? I don't get it??? Where was Holly Johnson in this reformation? What's with the lead singer and the bad wig? ?
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Post by oakey on Aug 2, 2021 12:29:50 GMT -5
You can question it Andre, but it is the truth. Also keep in mind that Duran did not tour Europe during their empirical phase, so it was just the singles and videos that made their name, and cheesy lip-sinced TV performances. They did not have a big signature hit like Relax or Karma Chameleon indeed. The Reflex may come close, but is not the 80s party banger that other acts had. And before 1984 DD were unknown in most parts of Europe in terms of hits.
We’re talking about the 80s, so that fake reunion of FGTH is irrelevant, a karaoke thing just like DD from 1997-2000.
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Post by rachelc on Aug 2, 2021 13:15:14 GMT -5
That's a fairly good appraisal of the situation Coolbarn. Duran Duran never actually seemed to have a stellar massive hit in the way some other artists did. Duran Duran's strength through the 80s was to churn out good single after good single in a very consistent manner - their sales were built up over a long period of time with a rack of solid but never stellar hits in terms of sales. In contrast, I'm pretty sure Frankie Goes To Hollywood's first two singles (Relax and Two Tribes) outsold anything by DD several times over in the UK. The FGTH star shone extremely brightly and burned out in no time at all. But I'm glad the DD were longer-term and had time to build up an incredible back catalogue over a number of years. And there was a "premier League" of acts like Michael Jackson and Madonna that were absolute superstars in the 80s. George Michael got into that category when he switched from Wham to his solo career too. Duran Duran didn't quite make it to that level of superstardom, although they perhaps came close around 1984. But thankfully time has been kind to DD and their stock and relevance has improved over the decades. What is it with Madness and Frankie goes to Hollywood? Was Frankie ever a real band? I mean come on...all one hit wonders in the America and you guys in UK treat these 2 bands as GREAT! Why?? I don't get it??? Where was Holly Johnson in this reformation? What's with the lead singer and the bad wig? ? Frankie & Madness were & still are popular in the UK. I’m sure at one point FGTH had both no. 1 &2 positions in the charts at the same time. What does it matter they were one hit wonders in the USA??
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Post by andre005 on Aug 2, 2021 13:29:26 GMT -5
What is it with Madness and Frankie goes to Hollywood? Was Frankie ever a real band? I mean come on...all one hit wonders in the America and you guys in UK treat these 2 bands as GREAT! Why?? I don't get it??? Where was Holly Johnson in this reformation? What's with the lead singer and the bad wig? ? Frankie & Madness were & still are popular in the UK. I’m sure at one point FGTH had both no. 1 &2 positions in the charts at the same time. What does it matter they were one hit wonders in the USA?? So why is Holly Johnson in and out of the band...why was he replaced with another singer...why do I get the feeling that Madness and Frankie are just a parody bands and loved and adored in the UK only? I mean oakey still even at Duran's less popularity they still toured Europe==it may have not been large venues.but many still knew who duran duran were..but I was in the Middle East on several occasions to visit my family in the late 90's and 2000's and the Dj;s were all mostly British..I made friends with some..and they only played Relax on occasion and never any Madness..many DJ's told me that Frankie and Madness were not popular outside the UK--they did however PLAY lots of Duran! And it ranged from early stuff..to Warren years with the TWA and even rare B-sides..I never once heard Our House on these stations and there we many British expats living here at the time in the Middle East for work!!
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Post by rachelc on Aug 2, 2021 13:35:24 GMT -5
Andre I’ve no idea. I’m just speaking about here in the UK, I don’t have facts or figures just memories from my teenage years. And also as I’m in a minority as I still listen to the radio, FGTH & Madness are bands that are still played here. Not very helpful for you, but that’s just my thoughts on it.
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Post by andre005 on Aug 2, 2021 13:35:48 GMT -5
Great article! Sure they were popular in the early 80's but I don't think they had any longevity and credibility after those hits and main album..I mean did their sexuality play a role in not achieving more success OUTSIDE of the UK?? GREAT to me is you can still create new music..don't dwell on the past and when you tour you can still pack the house...that is great to me in today's music! Sure no more crazy album sales or #1 charts but you are still getting respect..you are getting private gigs and you are getting promoters that still want you to play their venues...I can't ever see Madness or FGTH on tour in the US or anywhere else in Europe..to me they are 1 hit wonders! sorry just my opinion... www.theguardian.com/music/2014/aug/28/frankie-goes-to-hollywood-30-years-welcome-to-the-pleasuredome
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