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Post by cherrylipstick on Aug 1, 2021 16:22:16 GMT -5
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Post by More Play Time on Aug 1, 2021 17:45:32 GMT -5
I was never in the inner circle, but I did get to hear the Paper Gods album a few days before the majority, thanks to having made a few friends who shared the secret links. It's very easy to feel smug when someone has secret information and others dont, and I dont feel proud of my attitude back then. But secrets wouldnt be secrets if they are told and shared, so I'd rather not know.
Fans have always stalked the band for info. I think its good for DD that so many people are trying to find out news from leaks and undercover investigations. If the band just came out with a boring old track list, it wouldnt be half as much fun to guess what is coming up.
At least we dont have so long to wait to find out. The album is due to drop in about 10-12 weeks, and the new singles are on their way. Next week we'll all be ranting on the More Joy division mega thread, so I cant see it really matters what others know in advance.
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Post by ttt on Aug 1, 2021 18:34:45 GMT -5
That's a good read and I agree with a lot of it. I've noticed this thing happening for years where fans try to ingratiate themselves with management and promotion people - for access to the band and information. But then when they get rejected by said management and promotion people (because they don't really need a fan telling the band how to write a song or telling management EXACTLY how they should promote the 40th anniversary) the fandom turns to vitriol. But this whole thing of trying to be the first with info and being incorrect over and over again is very strange. I don't get that at all. The only info I ever post is when it comes from the DD mouths on a SiriusXM show - because not everyone has access. For example last week on Lori's show when she asked JT about the NEXT video...he said 'Sort of a Japanese animation'. But he didn't say which song it was for. Logic would tell us it is Chai...but maybe its the Moroder song. That was all John said but then I think it became 'Chai song with anime video'. Which is most likely true. And Simon has said on WHOOOSH! twice the album was finished...and he said he had the acetate before Erol did. So for me that is all I trust enough to post - and even then you can't rely on them. Simon got the FP release date wrong.
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Post by vmanoover on Aug 1, 2021 19:06:01 GMT -5
It's nice to know I wasn't just hallucinating the ever changing and contradictory "inside info". Also loved the inbetweeners tea analogy on the subject of Chai.
I think we could all do with a dose of John Taylor's mantra (also used by the rest of the band); "Expectation is resentment under construction".
Let the music play.
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Post by stopdead on Aug 2, 2021 10:26:37 GMT -5
I'm never bothered by people who are--or claim to be--in the know. Real or not, I think it only adds to the excitement. While I always cite my source for anything I report here, when it comes to DD I'd rather read news from uncited sources than no news at all. Even more so when things are slow. So keep it coming, I say!
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Post by La Princess on Aug 2, 2021 14:27:59 GMT -5
Like so many others have mentioned, I never get the people who claim to have insider information yet really don't. I've noticed in the fan community there are people who for many reasons think they are insiders, whether they are, or because they are delusional hard to say. I will state that while I can't claim to be a band insider, I have been contacted by a member of management years ago about promotion. I used to work in radio, and in particular radio/music promotion/marketing (and marketing in general). The main reason they contacted me was they listed the wrong stations in Chicago. One of the stations I actually worked at and no way would they play Duran Duran. Another station was a station aimed at African American teenagers and I knew someone who worked at the station and she laughed when I mentioned this to her. I gave the person who contacted me the information of stations that were likely to play them.
I remember people insisting they knew how to get a song on a radio station, but so many were off. There were questions about things that used to be true about radio but aren't anymore especially listener requests. Unless the station is more of a free form or has listener requests (as in all request lunch hour)they aren't likely to play your request, and unlikely to play a new song, DJs don't usually have that power anymore. Music is usually programmed into a computer and the DJ comes on during breaks and talks or does PSA/commercials (and many of this is also pre-recorded, called voice tracking). I explained to them that it mostly has to do with promoters who go to stations to (duh) promote a new song and hoping the station adds it. Often there are incentives like concert tickets. The days of a DJ having the power to make or break are long over.
In the past, I have posted things I knew were true, like concerts they were playing in Chicago, but always verified before posting. I have though seen what people are talking about, all of the rumors of people they are allegedly playing with (remember the Kanye West rumors?) or alleged song titles, or all the other things such as "they are putting out a hip-hop song". I think it's very unwise to put out false stories because then people still believe them, sometimes over the truth.
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Post by Harold Saxon on Aug 2, 2021 18:15:09 GMT -5
I love reading news and rumours about releases/tour dates/promo appearances on here, especially when there's a new single/album on the horizon. It's an exciting time to be a fan. Not everything comes to pass - I remember the whole second single from RCM debacle, with a few tracks like Skin Divers, Nite Runner and the title track all being apparently planned by Sony at various points, only to turn... for want of a better word... INVISIBLE. (A word I can no longer type without Caps, lest I go off brand).
It would be a shame if news and rumours (about the music side of things, not personal lives) doesn't continue. Even if it's to give us false hope, providing that it's posted in good faith and with humility.
There's also only so much that DDHQ can cover on social media for a global campaign, with multiple stakeholders, record companies, promo agencies and time zones involved. It's easy to criticise at times. Sure, as a social media specialist working for many global brands I have plenty of creative ideas I'd love to execute on a DD campaign, but to be truly accurate when criticising you'd have to know what kind of resource, staffing, budget, sign-off process etc DDHQ has to deal with - and we don't know that, nor should we. That's not to say fans shouldn't criticise and shouldn't be frustrated - it's entirely subjective and feelings are neither right nor wrong. They just are. But from my point of view, it's always worth trying to be considerate when dealing with a lot that is unknown. Easier than a nuclear war, but only just.
Fans acting with positive intentions can be a huge help with the marketing campaign, helping to get the word out about certain things and amplifying existing messages. Fingers crossed that can continue. I've not seen anyone on the board whom I think has any intentions that aren't positive at heart by the way, in terms of wanting DD to do well and make a success of Future Past.
However, while news/speculation can be both full of fun and trepidation, discussions can take a nasty path. Some of the disturbing comments in relation to an unheard piece of music featuring Chai are an example of this. I don't think anyone was intentionally malicious or meant any harm, but some of what I read was so prejudicial and unpleasant that it made me regret even going into certain threads - and perhaps the message board as a whole.
The board is desperate for something new, but it's a matter of listening. To the music and each other - and being respectful.
It was clear from seeing the pleas from message board members who rarely post that this message board had taken a turn for the worse. And these posters are speaking up because they care and want to continue enjoying what hopefully brought us all here - a shared joy and fascination over one band's music.
Let's hope the future can be positive. And by positive, I don't mean that everybody should only post if they like something! If I can't stand the Chai collaboration, I will say so and explain why - but remain respectful of those who feel otherwise and try to enjoy any discussions. It's about being positive in relation to interacting with others irrespective of their views and engaging with what is essentially art whether you love or loathe it.
Bring on the news. Bring on the new music. Bring on the engaging discussions.
These can be a very special few months ahead.
The above is just my subjective take of course.
Amen.
HAROLD
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Post by stopdead on Aug 2, 2021 18:38:04 GMT -5
Agree with you, Harold. I try to be either positive or constructive. I'm never negative, at least not intentionally. There are a very small number folks here who are, in my opinion, perhaps too passionate and unfairly critical of the band and it's management. Constructive criticism is one thing but life is too short to be angry. I'm just happy that a band that is 40 years in is still making new, fresh music. I typically like half of every album released since Notorious and I suspect Future Past will be no different--and that's completely cool with me. The next several months are going to be a lot of fun! Let's stay positive.
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Post by ghostjet on Aug 2, 2021 21:57:13 GMT -5
As confirmed by Simon on the show, the Chai song is an album track
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 0:14:21 GMT -5
Misinformation goes hand in hand with fandom - it’s not an exclusive club that only Duran Duran belong to either. Understandably (to a certain degree), the management would prefer to keep plans under wraps. However, fanzines filled to the brim of gossip and misinformation were common place - and it added to the fun of it all. How on earth did we cope before the internet? Where else did we find news? It mostly came from fans and the editor’s job would be to put it all together in one publication. It creates a talking point. Better to be spoken about than not at all. In my experience the majority of fans enjoy the rumour mill - it adds to the excitement and the buzz. I’m not one to restrain my style of editing or writing. If I contain myself then I’m not been true to me.
I get the respect angle - and perhaps I’m one of the guilty who fired some below belt criticism towards the Chai collaboration. Perhaps I should have set an example. But I’m not one to hold back. It’s nothing personal. There has been nothing xenophobic from my part. I just don’t enjoy their style of music. Yes, of course it’s upto DD what they produce or write. But fandom is a very very passionate entity. If you get too close and too deep, you might not like what you find. Does that make sense?
I won’t be changing anytime soon. Yeah, I’ve upset members. Nothing new there. I’m not pleased with myself. But then again I’ve made a lot of members happy. So what do I do? I’m not into this partisan crap! Lol
Anyway, I have work to go to. Have a good day / night.
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