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Post by Attention Whore on May 4, 2008 19:22:26 GMT -5
Maybe speedbunny can confirm or deny? I've not spoken to Andy about this - but anyone with an ounce of knowledge about the UK media should be able to ascertain the following: The Times is one of the most respectable newspapers in the UK. They would not print a retraction just for the hell of it - to get any newspaper in the UK to print a retraction is a long drawn out legal procedure; facts that contravene what has previously been printed have to be shown and proven to be true. So you can take everything that The Times has printed in their retraction today as having been legally proven to their solicitors. Had they not printed a retraction, I believe the next step would be to sue the newspaper for costs & liable - my knowledge of law fails me on this one, they may still have to make a damages payment on top of printing the retraction. And so, the story begins to unfold.... Dang..... Hi Speedbunny woman! -BOS
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Post by Dani on May 4, 2008 19:26:37 GMT -5
YES!! Page 3 by 8pm
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Post by RO on May 4, 2008 19:33:15 GMT -5
...I think what some people are missing here, is that the whole visa thing is only PART of the story. It's NOT the be-all, and end-all reason for Andy's split from DD, as some people seem to think it is. All that these retractions tells us, is that Andy wants it known that he DID'NT "quit", and that the reason he didn't show up in the studio back in '06 was due to a visa problem. That's all.
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Post by trevgreg on May 4, 2008 19:33:38 GMT -5
Never once did anyone mention that Andy too, was excited about working with Timbaland. Simon said in a video interview last fall that Andy was in on the decision and was also in support of it (at least at first). Whether or not Simon was exaggerating or Andy had changed his mind, however, is still up for debate...
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Post by speedbunny on May 4, 2008 19:34:59 GMT -5
Dang..... Hi Speedbunny woman! -BOS HEYYY! www.rockaffairs.com - that's where you'll finnnnddddd me....... (well, either there, or on Facebook)
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Post by prncspeach on May 4, 2008 19:37:27 GMT -5
wotever - people get screwed in employment situations all the time....holding other people hostage by using the legal system = not nice
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Post by sueb1863 on May 4, 2008 19:38:11 GMT -5
Never once did anyone mention that Andy too, was excited about working with Timbaland. Actually, Simon *has* stated that Andy was excited to work with Timbaland, one of the reasons they were puzzled when he didn't show up. I can't agree with this, either - John, Nick and Simon have all said they're open to the idea of working with Andy again, and Simon has said he's still friends with Andy and always will be. Not exactly what they'd be saying if they couldn't stand Andy, I don't think...
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Post by thetange on May 4, 2008 20:04:02 GMT -5
If the visa was the real reason (or part of it), I can see her (Wendy) being instructed to forget to get that taken care of for Andy. Before I get beat up - none of us have no way of knowing anything except that the band's story doesn't add up....so that's why we're here speculating. That out of the way - then yeah, if the visa story is true (and again, we don't know that it is) - then it would hardly be an accidental oversight on the part of management (otherwise, everything would have gotten patched up in the end....a band doesn't break up over just one oversight). If it's true - then there would appear to have been a deliberate attempt to railroad Andy. It's always felt that way to me (but what do I know?) just based on the smoke and mirrors put up by the band and management all along ("uh....we don't know....he just didn't show up....lets talk about Justin!"). It's possible they could come out with a logical explanation one of these days, but right now, it's hard for me to imagine anything consistent with past statements that would add up. Always possible that Andy was being a pain and manipulating the band too. Hope that isn't the case (like ReflexOz, I'm an Andy guy) - but if he was, that could have been a trigger for pushing him out. lol.....not getting his visa taken care of would be a pretty stupid way to go about that.....which is believable given their management and the bands own decisions........can't say I'd be surprised anyway. Hope they've got better lawyers than their management (but um, if the band is at fault - then hope Andy kicks their ass in court). Speedbunny - what kinda connections do you have with Andy? Any inside info on the real story? I'm hoping Andy's book fills in some of the blanks about the internal workings of the band (if he decides to go that route).
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Post by sarahb1863 on May 4, 2008 20:25:52 GMT -5
OK, if we assume:
- DD had 3 days to record with Timbaland
- it only takes 24 hours to get a work visa
- Andy discovered his visa was expired at least one day BEFORE the session started (or anytime during day 1)
Then couldn't he have still gotten a work visa and made at least the last day of the session? Or at the very least, insisted that he be sent the jams digitally so he could add his own guitar parts? He had time. Why didn't he do it?
Either he wasn't as eager to be included as we might think, or he was told in no uncertain terms that he wasn't welcome (either by the band or the management).
On the one hand, I can see him saying, "What? You @$#@!! up my visa? @#@!! you, I'm staying in Ibiza!". On the other hand, if he really wanted to be a part of those sessions we'd be hearing stories of him trying every avenue he had to either get there and play live, or participate via his studio in Ibiza.
Perhaps the screwed up visa was an accident; but Andy *chose* not to do anything to rectify the problem, and stayed in Ibiza, knowing that the others would get angry enough at him that they'd boot him out of the band (which he wanted anyway, judging by his behavior). Or - maybe - he knew his visa was expired but didn't do anything about it, knowing that he could claim a management screwup and come off as blameless, and still get what he wanted, which was to be out of DD.
Lots of options here...
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Post by thetange on May 4, 2008 20:36:53 GMT -5
OK, if we assume: - DD had 3 days to record with Timbaland - it only takes 24 hours to get a work visa - Andy discovered his visa was expired at least one day BEFORE the session started (or anytime during day 1) Then couldn't he have still gotten a work visa and made at least the last day of the session? Or at the very least, insisted that he be sent the jams digitally so he could add his own guitar parts? He had time. Why didn't he do it? Either he wasn't as eager to be included as we might think, or he was told in no uncertain terms that he wasn't welcome (either by the band or the management). On the one hand, I can see him saying, "What? You @$#@!! up my visa? @#@!! you, I'm staying in Ibiza!". On the other hand, if he really wanted to be a part of those sessions we'd be hearing stories of him trying every avenue he had to either get there and play live, or participate via his studio in Ibiza. Perhaps the screwed up visa was an accident; but Andy *chose* not to do anything to rectify the problem, and stayed in Ibiza, knowing that the others would get angry enough at him that they'd boot him out of the band (which he wanted anyway, judging by his behavior). Or - maybe - he knew his visa was expired but didn't do anything about it, knowing that he could claim a management screwup and come off as blameless, and still get what he wanted, which was to be out of DD. Lots of options here... I'll just throw this out there......if you were the guitarist for Duran Duran, and the management company didn't get the visa taken care of and you knew the writing was on the wall (ie, that you were not wanted) - would you go through the trouble of going to NYC? Again - I have no way of knowing if the visa thing is legit. If it is - there was more going on than just the visa itself. Lol....what's he supposed to do.....start catching greyhounds when the tour bus starts mysteriously leaving him behind at the coliseums? I'm just sayin'...... Out of curiousity - what behavior on Andy's part indicated that he wanted out of the band?
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