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Post by Droid on Aug 29, 2010 13:57:38 GMT -5
I just mean it may not be as easy to come up with lyrics these days, so having help is not that unusual. It doesn't mean his brain was drawing a complete blank.
It didn't happen in the early albums as far as we know. But it isn't entirely a new thing either. John Barry is listed as a writer for AVTAK, and Milton Nascimento is for "Breath After Breath".
Maybe these days they just like getting ideas from an outside source? Besides, on RCM only 2 songs are listed as having additional writers.
I doubt every song on the new album will be like that. Regardless of all the name-dropping they're doing now anyway. Maybe a couple songs will, but is that really a big deal?
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Post by dejr26 on Aug 30, 2010 5:34:34 GMT -5
The fact that he hired a professional to help him with the new album lyrics. Nope, he never hired a professional to help him with the new album lyrics. He sat down with another songwriter to discuss songwriting and perhaps get some other ideas/perspectives, etc... people have assumed that means he has writer's block, he can't write anymore so he hired to write the lyrics for him, etc. Why is it people always assume the worst case scenario with this band, and from the fan base, of all places? Not trying to be unkind to Simon but apart from RCM which he said he found it easy to write lyrics for, I was under the impression that he had struggled for a while. I am probably completely wrong but i got the impression he found it hard to write lyrics for Medazzaland and i thought Nick and Warren wrote more for Pop Trash. I'm sure even in Andy's book where he does defend Simon alot from the stick he got from Nick over his lyrics and the delays, that he also had trouble writing lyrics for Reportage that the band saw no point in making more music without any lyrics forthcoming. Anyway, Simon still has a great gift as a lyricist but i guess he just doesn't have a vast book of lyrics and poems to rely on anymore like he did in the early days.
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Post by gabby on Aug 30, 2010 5:57:47 GMT -5
I just mean it may not be as easy to come up with lyrics these days, so having help is not that unusual. It doesn't mean his brain was drawing a complete blank. It didn't happen in the early albums as far as we know. But it isn't entirely a new thing either. John Barry is listed as a writer for AVTAK, and Milton Nascimento is for "Breath After Breath". Maybe these days they just like getting ideas from an outside source? Besides, on RCM only 2 songs are listed as having additional writers. I doubt every song on the new album will be like that. Regardless of all the name-dropping they're doing now anyway. Maybe a couple songs will, but is that really a big deal? I thought every song on RCM was credited with Danja as well, and that Justin and Timbaland were credited for two/three?
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Post by Droid on Aug 30, 2010 9:03:31 GMT -5
I thought every song on RCM was credited with Danja as well, and that Justin and Timbaland were credited for two/three? For producing, not writing. There's a bit of a difference there.
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Post by Droid on Aug 30, 2010 9:11:10 GMT -5
It didn't happen in the early albums as far as we know. But it isn't entirely a new thing either. John Barry is listed as a writer for AVTAK, and Milton Nascimento is for "Breath After Breath". Then of course there is the song "Notorious" which it was said Nile was a huge influence on as well as him playing the guitar on it, so, more than likely he had a hand in writing that song. I think its just the way song credits are done now is different then some years ago and even a small contribution has to be credited, probably for legal reasons. I knew he had a big part in that one, but looking at the CD sleeve he wasn't actually credited as a writer as far as I could tell. He is very much credited as the producer though. *eta: Producer influence is something they've had from the very beginning anyway. So that is definitely nothing new.
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Post by gabby on Aug 30, 2010 9:37:00 GMT -5
It didn't happen in the early albums as far as we know. But it isn't entirely a new thing either. John Barry is listed as a writer for AVTAK, and Milton Nascimento is for "Breath After Breath". Then of course there is the song "Notorious" which it was said Nile was a huge influence on as well as him playing the guitar on it, so, more than likely he had a hand in writing that song. I think its just the way song credits are done now is different then some years ago and even a small contribution has to be credited, probably for legal reasons. Yes, this is what I was getting at in my first post of this thread! I doubt the legality has changed but maybe the ethics of their industry. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind one or two tracks written with other people, but I'd prefer if the majority of the new albums were only Duran Duran written, like the past ones.
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Post by gabby on Aug 30, 2010 9:37:58 GMT -5
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Post by Droid on Aug 30, 2010 9:42:04 GMT -5
Well, the album sleeve says somewhat differently.
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Post by gabby on Aug 30, 2010 9:45:02 GMT -5
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Post by gabby on Aug 30, 2010 9:54:57 GMT -5
Then of course there is the song "Notorious" which it was said Nile was a huge influence on as well as him playing the guitar on it, so, more than likely he had a hand in writing that song. I think its just the way song credits are done now is different then some years ago and even a small contribution has to be credited, probably for legal reasons. *eta: Producer influence is something they've had from the very beginning anyway. So that is definitely nothing new. Yeah of course, that is why artists pay producers, but it doesn't mean they deserve writing credits unless they have written the song, i.e. chord progression etc
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