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Post by coolbarn on Feb 18, 2014 3:40:12 GMT -5
Wow, there are some amazing posts on the previous page that I happen to agree with. Duran Duran are best when they go by the principle "less is more".
Let the songwriting and composition do the talking Nick, and leave the weird, arty farty chirping noises and additional layers to TV Mania. The less effects the band uses, and the more real "live" sound they generate this album, the better. Let's have some kickarse drums, bass, and guitar with balls, accompanied by suitable keyboards.
Don't want heavy metal or anything silly like that, but do want a "real live pop/rock band" sound.
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Post by More Play Time on Feb 18, 2014 11:29:12 GMT -5
"I have to say, Medz wallows in its own mud." - By far the best summation of that album ever I was going to write Meds is Buried in its own Sand its not terrible per se (and the dark feelings and lyrics are used to great effect on some songs, Simon needed to empty his head) but its not my fav album and I only play it rarely. Dont get me wrong, I'm not looking for the big rush every time, and I too love SRTRose and especially FeelingsRGood album by JT if I want to feel dark and down. EDIT; sorry. How come these threads always end up talking about the astro demos or the pros and cons of albums?? I think Sinner or Saint should have been the second single, but at least it was on the first! I really love that track. I think they gave away the best of that album with the OOMM single.
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Post by midnightsunau on Feb 21, 2014 0:12:18 GMT -5
"But I disagree about hoping the new album goes all TWA (again, not much of a Warren fan here)."
I don't want the whole album to sound that way - just the songs the choir are singing on. Its a tricky thing to use a choir - you have to get it "right"
I mean, I'm a massive Muse fan and they recently used a choir and got it wrong on a track - sooooooo wrong. Still having nightmares.
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Post by ttt on Feb 21, 2014 1:52:01 GMT -5
I am another (ex-?) fan that thinks Medazzaland clearly ranks among the best Duran albums, up there with So Red the Rose, Big Thing, Rio. and no, I'm not mad nor raving, nor trying to justify anything. I'm tired to expand on its virtues to Duranies with cloth ears who place more importance on the band's makeup (in both senses) than the music, so let's just say it's a superb album start to finish, full stop. and it's as Duranish as they ever got - certainly more Rio than AYNIN will ever be. but, you know, it hasn't got John on it. and there's that wacky bald guy playing the bass (how dare he!) and making weird noises along with Nick - noises that Nick had been making all the time but, hey, they were the Fab Five back then, so I didn't seem to notice. that's fandom judgement in a nutshell. OK, so I happen to like RCM more than AYNIN as well. again, I'm neither masochistic nor in denial. I think RCM is the braver album. I agree with your assessment of Leopard, but I extend it to the whole of AYNIN. for me, AYNIN is Frankenstein Duran. it doesn't sound like Rio at all - rather, every track sounds like another early '80s band or genre. Blondie, Chic, Roxy, you name it. it may be a Rio Mk II, but it's a Rio-by-numbers. and the songs are, by and large, fluff. I would think those who hail AYNIN as Duran's second (or third) coming are the desperate, terminal fans, but I don't want to come across arrogant. it's just that, for me, AYNIN is the kind of irrelevant travesty that certainly won't be remembered in a few years' time - and I would extend that to the whole reunion business. I'm certainly glad that they are still around because it's like seeing family, but come on - when was the last time their music felt like necessary music? for me, it was Medazzaland. for this reason, I simultaneously don't harbour big hopes for the new album and I'm kind of glad Ronson seems to be out of the picture. would they be so brave as to finish the damn thing themselves! it's not their style, but whatever - we'll see. ah, what a rant. now I feel worse. :-D Agree with a lot of Kitaj. I may not feel exactly the same about Medazz - but I too prefer RCM to AYNIN - and feel most of that 'AYNIN is RIO pt. 2 stuff' is actually quite silly. Half that album is very good...and there are some throwaways. Love TMWSAL. Also need to have a track by track listening of RCM someday with someone that can point out how that is a hip hop record. Maybe 2 tracks fall into that. Don't agree with most Duranies that Ronson is some sort of necessity. He was the one that said the actual track AYNIN was their best ever - and I think it is god awful. (Or maybe he just said it was his all-time favorite track?) A choir sort of scares me a bit - like they are still trying to go after OW pt. 2 - big, sweeping ballad. But I have faith in them w/out Ronson. Would love a last minute play for some Nile involvement.
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Post by blaahh on Feb 21, 2014 4:16:17 GMT -5
The truth is it will be different to the previous 13! Itll have touches of whatever songs we all hear from the past but like all duran albums it will have a couple of songs we all love and agree on. I do side with the view that Duran are better when 'produced', but i'll welcome it regardless. The thing that struck me this morning is that 14 albums in 34 years, not the most prolific is it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 9:14:58 GMT -5
The truth is it will be different to the previous 13! Itll have touches of whatever songs we all hear from the past but like all duran albums it will have a couple of songs we all love and agree on. I do side with the view that Duran are better when 'produced', but i'll welcome it regardless. The thing that struck me this morning is that 14 albums in 34 years, not the most prolific is it Yehh I thought that the other day - 14 studios in 30+ years. Yet U2, who a couple of years ago were officially listed as forming in 1978, the same as Duran (but now 1976) have only done 12! I look on it and sadly think 'another generation has started and finished secondary school without hearing a new Duran Duran song'. These new teenage bands and acts have new songs out every few months, just like Duran did in 81-82-83-84.
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Post by fixo on Feb 21, 2014 9:47:30 GMT -5
I look on it and sadly think 'another generation has started and finished secondary school without hearing a new Duran Duran song'. These new teenage bands and acts have new songs out every few months, just like Duran did in 81-82-83-84. Your quote made me think of a former member of this and the Lizard King forum, remember Love_DoubleD's (might be a typo in there): he once said that Duran Duran in the 2010's is as relevant to teenagers today as The Byrds, Dean Martin, ... would be to our generation back than in the 80's. Our boys are well in their fifties now, which is all good. But when we used to be young, in early eigthies let's say, no way we would feel any connection to a band or singer that age. The two older dudes singing the mega hit Macarena is the exception .
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Post by trevgreg on Feb 21, 2014 10:12:40 GMT -5
The truth is it will be different to the previous 13! Itll have touches of whatever songs we all hear from the past but like all duran albums it will have a couple of songs we all love and agree on. I do side with the view that Duran are better when 'produced', but i'll welcome it regardless. The thing that struck me this morning is that 14 albums in 34 years, not the most prolific is it Yehh I thought that the other day - 14 studios in 30+ years. Yet U2, who a couple of years ago were officially listed as forming in 1978, the same as Duran (but now 1976) have only done 12! I look on it and sadly think 'another generation has started and finished secondary school without hearing a new Duran Duran song'. These new teenage bands and acts have new songs out every few months, just like Duran did in 81-82-83-84. The thing to remember though is that these guys live very different lives than they did at 20-25 years old. There are families, money, different interests and life experiences. They're not just sitting around playing their instruments because that's the only thing to do anymore, you know? Billy Corgan had a great quote about it one time. He said something along the lines of this during the Smashing Pumpkins' first duration... "When we had no money, no nothing, there was nothing else to do but be grungy and be in a band. Now there are many other options: 'I could be skiing." On top of that, DD's album output actually isn't as bad as some other of their contemporary acts. U2 is going on five years without releasing a new album (aside from an occasional new song) and Depeche Mode wasn't too far behind in the 4-5 year wait department either.
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Post by mynick7 on Feb 21, 2014 13:53:12 GMT -5
But the one thing you can be for certain is that U2's new album will sound like U2. They haven't strayed from the same sound since they started. If you hear one U2 song, you've heard them all. My best friend would KILL me for writing that as U2 is to her what Duran is to me. Granted, U2 has had some great songs over the years but they all song the same. It's very distinctive... and boring. I like Duran Duran so much more because they aren't afraid to stray from their original "sound" and explore and experiment. I've said this a million times and I stand by it. I respect the guys for trying new things. I don't know if I'd still be a Duranie if everything sounded like it came from Rio. And as a Duranie of 33 years, that's a very strong statement. Don't know if others feel the same but I'm not looking for a "part 2" of any past album.
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Post by sergejames on Feb 21, 2014 14:37:03 GMT -5
But the one thing you can be for certain is that U2's new album will sound like U2. They haven't strayed from the same sound since they started. If you hear one U2 song, you've heard them all. My best friend would KILL me for writing that as U2 is to her what Duran is to me. Granted, U2 has had some great songs over the years but they all song the same. It's very distinctive... and boring. I like Duran Duran so much more because they aren't afraid to stray from their original "sound" and explore and experiment. I've said this a million times and I stand by it. I respect the guys for trying new things. I don't know if I'd still be a Duranie if everything sounded like it came from Rio. And as a Duranie of 33 years, that's a very strong statement. Don't know if others feel the same but I'm not looking for a "part 2" of any past album. This!^
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