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Post by madoldlu on Sept 26, 2019 15:07:27 GMT -5
Why not both? Seriously though, I don't have a problem with Andy's chip on his shoulder. His first true musical love has been Rock and Roll with a capital R. I think he probably had big dreams for DD when he first joined. And honestly, it's almost like DD pulled a bait and switch with him, didn't they? Just listen to the Girls on Film demo or the Tel Aviv demo. That's some serious Rock going on. I definitely think he could have handled leaving the band (both times) with more respect and dignity, but I can't blame him for not wanting to work in a band that he didn't like the sound of, or had any real control over. I would personally want to listen to new Andy music. I actually really liked Thunder, and I LOVED his work with the Ting Tings. I still hold out hope that he and DD could maybe work together again a-la John Frusciante, you know, long distance. Same with Warren. Just have them "phone-in" their parts and everyone will be happier in the end.
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Post by Tin on Sept 26, 2019 15:20:18 GMT -5
DD wouldn't have been DD without Andy both in the band AND leaving the band. We wouldn't have had the funky edge of Notorious or the beauty of the Wedding Album had the remaining members not had to grow and stretch their musical talents without Andy's skill to fall back on when they were struggling. Nor would the first 3 albums had the hook without that same talent being there with Andy in the mix.
Love or hate him, Andy IS a part of DD's legacy. You never say never; but I've been on this musical ride for a very long time and will wait to see what the next offering is.
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Post by Dr Of The Revolution on Sept 26, 2019 18:00:21 GMT -5
DD wouldn't have been DD without Andy both in the band AND leaving the band. We wouldn't have had the funky edge of Notorious or the beauty of the Wedding Album had the remaining members not had to grow and stretch their musical talents without Andy's skill to fall back on when they were struggling. Nor would the first 3 albums had the hook without that same talent being there with Andy in the mix. Love or hate him, Andy IS a part of DD's legacy. You never say never; but I've been on this musical ride for a very long time and will wait to see what the next offering is. Your post made me think. I checked the credits on Andy Taylor's Thunder. All but one track was written by him and Steve Jones. Well my thought was this : what if, in a parallel universe, DD and Andy had continued together and had made an album with Steve Jones ? A sort of hybrid between Notorious and Thunder (only the songwriting, not the production) that would have continued where The Wild Boys and A View To A Kill had left off ?
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Post by 5duransless1 on Sept 26, 2019 20:36:39 GMT -5
Andy’s guitar work is unique and great, period! His sound is missed (but not irreplaceable). These comments (“real players & no backing tracks faking it”) appear to be beneath him and not appropriate. How smart is it to self undermine your own legacy by insulting you prior bandmates and discrediting your greatest musical accomplishments?
What is terribly SAD (and at the same time TRUE) is that he (for some reason) couldn’t work in a rock band (teamwork), which requires compromise AND patience (questionable on his end) that resulted in the breakup of the #1 band in the world.....IF he wasn’t this way, Duran Duran would be the highest selling band of our time and we would be enjoying the type of exposure they deserve: larger venues, greater popularity, increased influence on modern music, more music releases/videos/merchandise, etc.
He also was not appreciative of the good fortune he enjoyed (being on top of the world), which can’t be understood as the music industry is not forgiving and is usually short lived as evidenced by the LITTLE he has accomplished (compared to being in the band) since his departures (again unfortunately). In other words he BLEW it by hurting the band selfishly and it was his choice to throw it all away.
We should move on, open our eyes, let it go, and wish him the best; while NOT forgetting HE turned his back twice on this band and it was very negative. Why would they want him back for a third strike?
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Post by Dew on Sept 26, 2019 23:53:58 GMT -5
I think Andy's simply happy that he's found a singer, making music with other humans, and not a lonely studio musician using backing tracks to build songs. Not seeing a direct swipe at DD in his tweet. Andy’s guitar work is unique and great, period! His sound is missed (but not irreplaceable). These comments (“real players & no backing tracks faking it”) appear to be beneath him and not appropriate.
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Post by dangerousthunder on Sept 27, 2019 8:08:37 GMT -5
Agree with americanscientist, i didnt read it at all as a dig against duran, more against modern ways of making music. This ☺
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Post by babyduranimal on Sept 27, 2019 8:38:21 GMT -5
Andy’s guitar work is unique and great, period! His sound is missed (but not irreplaceable). These comments (“real players & no backing tracks faking it”) appear to be beneath him and not appropriate. How smart is it to self undermine your own legacy by insulting you prior bandmates and discrediting your greatest musical accomplishments? What is terribly SAD (and at the same time TRUE) is that he (for some reason) couldn’t work in a rock band (teamwork), which requires compromise AND patience (questionable on his end) that resulted in the breakup of the #1 band in the world.....IF he wasn’t this way, Duran Duran would be the highest selling band of our time and we would be enjoying the type of exposure they deserve: larger venues, greater popularity, increased influence on modern music, more music releases/videos/merchandise, etc. He also was not appreciative of the good fortune he enjoyed (being on top of the world), which can’t be understood as the music industry is not forgiving and is usually short lived as evidenced by the LITTLE he has accomplished (compared to being in the band) since his departures (again unfortunately). In other words he BLEW it by hurting the band selfishly and it was his choice to throw it all away. We should move on, open our eyes, let it go, and wish him the best; while NOT forgetting HE turned his back twice on this band and it was very negative. Why would they want him back for a third strike? I agree w/alot of what you've said in this post. Why would they want Andy back for a 3rd strike? Because it's the 40th anniversary & it would be huge if he did some tour dates w/the band. And guess what? I believe Andy himself is the 1 who wants to be back for a 3rd strike, regardless of what he said. He obviously still has DD on his mind, imo. If he was so over it, why even bring that up? I like my Randy Andy, but I can be honest about his faults. He would probably work best w/DD on a short term basis. And while he's knocking prerecorded tracks, etc., DD deserve their props for even still being around. They obviously know who to preserve themselves & their energy. Look at all the concerts they have done over the years...wow. Andy has shown that he lacks endurance & has a short fuse. Also, him & JT may still have issues to settle. Again, never say never so we'll see how it all plays out.
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Post by madoldlu on Sept 27, 2019 8:44:10 GMT -5
I think Andy's simply happy that he's found a singer, making music with other humans, and not a lonely studio musician using backing tracks to build songs. Not seeing a direct swipe at DD in his tweet. Andy’s guitar work is unique and great, period! His sound is missed (but not irreplaceable). These comments (“real players & no backing tracks faking it”) appear to be beneath him and not appropriate. That is a brilliant observation! I think you are spot on.
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Post by medazzaland71 on Sept 27, 2019 13:48:44 GMT -5
What is terribly SAD (and at the same time TRUE) is that he (for some reason) couldn’t work in a rock band (teamwork), which requires compromise AND patience (questionable on his end) that resulted in the breakup of the #1 band in the world.....IF he wasn’t this way, Duran Duran would be the highest selling band of our time and we would be enjoying the type of exposure they deserve: larger venues, greater popularity, increased influence on modern music, more music releases/videos/merchandise, etc. He also was not appreciative of the good fortune he enjoyed (being on top of the world), which can’t be understood as the music industry is not forgiving and is usually short lived as evidenced by the LITTLE he has accomplished (compared to being in the band) since his departures (again unfortunately). In other words he BLEW it by hurting the band selfishly and it was his choice to throw it all away. Maybe you should read his book to understand him and the decissions he made better.
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Post by aftertherain on Sept 27, 2019 16:01:29 GMT -5
What is terribly SAD (and at the same time TRUE) is that he (for some reason) couldn’t work in a rock band (teamwork), which requires compromise AND patience (questionable on his end) that resulted in the breakup of the #1 band in the world.....IF he wasn’t this way, Duran Duran would be the highest selling band of our time and we would be enjoying the type of exposure they deserve: larger venues, greater popularity, increased influence on modern music, more music releases/videos/merchandise, etc. He also was not appreciative of the good fortune he enjoyed (being on top of the world), which can’t be understood as the music industry is not forgiving and is usually short lived as evidenced by the LITTLE he has accomplished (compared to being in the band) since his departures (again unfortunately). In other words he BLEW it by hurting the band selfishly and it was his choice to throw it all away. Maybe you should read his book to understand him and the decissions he made better. I have read his book & IMO it's so CAREFULY written, like too careful yet underneath I see otherwise. Andy in many cases suggests he's working as a wholehearted team member but then excuses himself or finds excuses for many situations. Its not all about Andy is it, or shouldn't be. When I compare JTs book which I can only do at this point, JTs perspective is radically different. Eg at various stages of our lives we all have ill parents or parents passing, a partner with medical issues requiring treatment, various family/friends troubles, not being 100% happy with our work place, wanting more money (if not always). Yet the the majority of us battle on, pursue have endurance and still aim to please for the greater whole or bigger picture. So so many of the decisions he made were mostly all about him and for his sake, weren't they eg I got sick of this I got sick of that, didn't want to do it anymore got tired of this that the other. Always loved how in the early days AT would complain that DD never allowed him to wear jeans (& look like a Bon Jovi member) yet when he deserted, stranded & therefore damaged DD the first time, the first thing SLB did was WEAR a pair of jeans on stage for all dates of the SB tour. I loved that. Its so easy to complain all the time, nag and not go with the flow, it's the easy way out. Its not all about us all the time or is that me me me ! & this to an extent is how ATs book spoke to me anyway. Please don't get me wrong I don't hate the guy and I love his work on the 4 DD LPs which he's played on yet unfortunately it's only been 4. Its just how his book speaks to me. the other 4 current DD members obviously show some stainabilty, endurance and it's got to be said including "goodwill" for not only one another but the needs of the business to be carrying on amicably I guess. thats my opinion anyway.
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