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Post by MissNovemberTuesday on Oct 21, 2021 16:59:07 GMT -5
I hate people trying to pass off fake crap as real.
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Post by negative1 on Oct 24, 2021 23:19:22 GMT -5
I hate people trying to pass off fake crap as real. i don't, i love all the dd fanclub fake stuff. so much of it is better than anything the real band could come out with. posters, printouts, deluxe vinyl. compilations with rare tracks, and superb sound quality. i have the arcadia and power station cd single boxsets, from argentina, and those are very high quality (although the music isn't that great). i was able to get a high quality transfer of the rio radio australian special on cd. and i could list about 50 other things that are fake. and most of them weren't even that expensive. i don't care if they're real or not, because i wouldn't be able to afford or find all those rare cd singles either. (there is a copy of wild boys 98, thats going for $500 on discogs, which i can easily find on a cd compilation). later -1
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Post by redmumba on Oct 25, 2021 6:50:56 GMT -5
I hate people trying to pass off fake crap as real. i don't, i love all the dd fanclub fake stuff. so much of it is better than anything the real band could come out with. posters, printouts, deluxe vinyl. compilations with rare tracks, and superb sound quality. i have the arcadia and power station cd single boxsets, from argentina, and those are very high quality (although the music isn't that great). i was able to get a high quality transfer of the rio radio australian special on cd. and i could list about 50 other things that are fake. and most of them weren't even that expensive. i don't care if they're real or not, because i wouldn't be able to afford or find all those rare cd singles either. (there is a copy of wild boys 98, thats going for $500 on discogs, which i can easily find on a cd compilation). later -1 What she was referring to, probably, were the examples of the so called Mexican "promo" sleeves. The vinyl may have been genuine, but the crap artwork and probably shoddy sleeve don't serve the collecting community very well. I don't think anyone will dispute you about the Arcadia and Power Station CD single box sets. Yeah, we all know they're not legit, but an effort was taken in terms of quality with an attention to detail. Same goes with all the other CDs and vinyl that have appeared from outfits like Pegasus Records and other stuff from the DD fan store.
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Post by negative1 on Oct 25, 2021 10:36:23 GMT -5
i don't, i love all the dd fanclub fake stuff. so much of it is better than anything the real band could come out with. posters, printouts, deluxe vinyl. compilations with rare tracks, and superb sound quality. i have the arcadia and power station cd single boxsets, from argentina, and those are very high quality (although the music isn't that great). i was able to get a high quality transfer of the rio radio australian special on cd. and i could list about 50 other things that are fake. and most of them weren't even that expensive. i don't care if they're real or not, because i wouldn't be able to afford or find all those rare cd singles either. (there is a copy of wild boys 98, thats going for $500 on discogs, which i can easily find on a cd compilation). later -1 What she was referring to, probably, were the examples of the so called Mexican "promo" sleeves. The vinyl may have been genuine, but the crap artwork and probably shoddy sleeve don't serve the collecting community very well. I don't think anyone will dispute you about the Arcadia and Power Station CD single box sets. Yeah, we all know they're not legit, but an effort was taken in terms of quality with an attention to detail. Same goes with all the other CDs and vinyl that have appeared from outfits like Pegasus Records and other stuff from the DD fan store. well, we all know its fake. so i don't see the problem. its not that hard to check. if you feel like buying it, why not. otherwise avoid it. later -1
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Post by MissNovemberTuesday on Oct 25, 2021 23:29:36 GMT -5
I was referring to the fake Mexican stuff and similar items. I actually have several of the "fan club" releases with postcards and posters and other fun bonus items or just a good recording, like the Aussie Rio special on CD. As long as those remain decently priced, I will still buy some of them. Though I do not feel a need to collect them all. It just irks me when i see someone trying to rip off the more gullible casual fans out there by making something out to be super rare and charging a whole lot and it is not even official. Frankly I am also annoyed by the obscene pricing by Vinyl Factory for official stuff. A single copy of a brand new album should be a reasonable price for what you are getting. It should not cost more than a super rare Japanese promo release from 1981, FFS! With exchange rates, some of their stuff is about half of my monthly rent and that is disgusting, especially when some tracks are exclusive to that version and they do not also release a simpler standard high quality vinyl for the rest of us who are not rich. Sorry. I got off on a tangent. I just get a tad worked up about that stuff.
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Post by redmumba on Oct 26, 2021 6:38:56 GMT -5
What she was referring to, probably, were the examples of the so called Mexican "promo" sleeves. The vinyl may have been genuine, but the crap artwork and probably shoddy sleeve don't serve the collecting community very well. I don't think anyone will dispute you about the Arcadia and Power Station CD single box sets. Yeah, we all know they're not legit, but an effort was taken in terms of quality with an attention to detail. Same goes with all the other CDs and vinyl that have appeared from outfits like Pegasus Records and other stuff from the DD fan store. well, we all know its fake. so i don't see the problem. its not that hard to check. if you feel like buying it, why not. otherwise avoid it. later -1 I'm not out to buy this stuff, but I do like to point out to others that the problem here is that there is a deliberate attempt by some Ebay sellers trying to pass off items that are promos when they clearly are not. Again, the vinyl being sold may or may not be an actual promo, but the "promo" sleeve is a homemade job for an official item.
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Post by negative1 on Oct 26, 2021 8:17:11 GMT -5
well, we all know its fake. so i don't see the problem. its not that hard to check. if you feel like buying it, why not. otherwise avoid it. later -1 I'm not out to buy this stuff, but I do like to point out to others that the problem here is that there is a deliberate attempt by some Ebay sellers trying to pass off items that are promos when they clearly are not. Again, the vinyl being sold may or may not be an actual promo, but the "promo" sleeve is a homemade job for an official item. i understand what you are saying. but its still your opinion. if it is a promo record, its still possibly rare. just because they're putting their own cover on it, doesn't impact it to me. i don't buy a record for the cover, i buy it to listen to when it has exclusive tracks, or to add to a collection. if it worth buying, i will get it. later -1
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Post by negative1 on Oct 26, 2021 8:32:42 GMT -5
I was referring to the fake Mexican stuff and similar items. I actually have several of the "fan club" releases with postcards and posters and other fun bonus items or just a good recording, like the Aussie Rio special on CD. As long as those remain decently priced, I will still buy some of them. Though I do not feel a need to collect them all. ok, you didn't say then when you said you didn't like fake items. all those are just as fake. anybody buying a promo record would not be that gullible, casual fans don't just buy an expensive item without checking. especially collectors. so again, i don't see the problem if the records are a promo, it is a promo, which is the important part, not the cover. the price is whatever someone wants to pay. i have been buying a lot of expensive items lately, especially some from duran duran. if you can afford, why not give fans a super deluxe edition. because its not worth that value to you, you don't need it or want it. i don't really need to buy old promos, colored vinyl, or rare deluxe editions. but that's because i didn't buy it when it came out. now i can afford to buy these things. so should i feel bad if i buy a rare cd promo, or rare LP for a few hundred dollars? it brings me enjoyment, although i don't play most of the records or cds. they are just to collect. later -1
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Post by MissNovemberTuesday on Oct 30, 2021 2:18:32 GMT -5
Boy, you really ARE a negative1. You are nitpicking my comment and I still don't think you quite get what I was saying. As for who might buy a promo, a LOT of fans who are not hardcore collectors might be tempted to buy a promo or "rare" item for nostalgia sake if they really loved the band back in the day or they may be looking for a special gift for someone who they know does collect some things. Not knowing that the items are fake, they could get ripped off. Also the cover of a promo is as much a part of collecting it and making its value go up or down, and to have some shitty fake cover on it actually makes me quite angry as it is not being sold with the real cover, no matter the original condition. As for the pricing of special editions, many bands out there go with companies that put together very nice product without gouging the fans. I HATE Vinyl Factory for their overpriced products. I also am angry with the band for not offering a QUALITY album with a decent package for those who simply want a nice version that is better than what the regular stores have, but that is within a normal person's budget. Look, I am willing to spend a LITTLE bit more for quality. I am OK with not having the version with ALL the bells and whistles, so long as I can have SOMETHING nice. I am well aware that some fans have a crap ton of money to spend and even though I am obviously jealous of those who can buy things without hesitating and those who fly around for every tour, I am capable of being happy for them. I just do not like when the band makes choices that rob me of a chance to take part because the company they use for certain merchandise is way overpriced. I KNOW I AM NOT THE ONLY COLLECTOR TO FEEL THIS WAY! It has only really been since AYNIN that I have felt left out of the loop with regards to new releases that I would normally buy immediately. Hell, I would have gotten the "test pressing" black vinyl if I had not been too late to get one. Yeah, it was expensive, but given the limited number and signatures, THAT was worth the price. VF editions are just not. They could be done cheaper and better by other companies. Period.
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