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Post by redmumba on Sept 19, 2021 22:00:10 GMT -5
I'd have posted this over in the main section, but fear that some inane diarrhea postings would have just drown this out. Here's a current listing of all physical editions currently known:
CD
CD standard (band store, normal retailers**) - track list of 12 CD deluxe edition (band store, normal retailers**) - track list of 15 CD deluxe edition +1 (Japanese edition) - track list of 16
Cassette
cassette (band store)
Vinyl
Vinyl (band store, Walmart, Target, Newbury Comics) - solid white Vinyl (band store) - transparent green Vinyl (band store) - black vinyl test pressing Vinyl (sold at independent stores - eg Townsend Music) - transparent red Vinyl (Brooklyn Vegan) - transparent lime green Vinyl (Spotify) - clear
**normal retailers would be considered Walmart, Target, HMV, etc.
If anyone knows of any other version, please reply to this thread so I can update. I'm surprised that there's no CD+DVD item on offer. Also, I wonder when we'll see something coming from the Vinyl Factory for this - IF Duran do decided to do something with them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 0:02:28 GMT -5
If anyone knows of any other version, please reply to this thread so I can update. I'm surprised that there's no CD+DVD item on offer. Also, I wonder when we'll see something coming from the Vinyl Factory for this - IF Duran do decided to do something with them. There's 3 nominal variants - - so the band store then there's the 12" print. - Amazon UK had the exclusive signed copy of the Deluxe. - & Amazon JP have a 24x24cm "Mega Jacket" exclusive of the 16 track CD. Otherwise, whilst i'd be very surprised if there wasn't a VF box set announced at a later date, it does seem strange that there's not a Newbury Comics exclusive, as there has for the last 3 albums. Okay, the AYNiN one was just a signed booklet - which i guess the Amazon UK one is replacing - but the (esp) the RCM glass & also the PG postcard thing were cool. [Edit] Oh, & i'd personally call these 3 extra versions, as i would the previous Newbury ones or whatever... ...but as you'd not included any of them then i guessed that you had some other definition.
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Post by redmumba on Sept 20, 2021 7:09:16 GMT -5
If anyone knows of any other version, please reply to this thread so I can update. I'm surprised that there's no CD+DVD item on offer. Also, I wonder when we'll see something coming from the Vinyl Factory for this - IF Duran do decided to do something with them. There's 3 nominal variants - - so the band store then there's the 12" print. - Amazon UK had the exclusive signed copy of the Deluxe. - & Amazon JP have a 24x24cm "Mega Jacket" exclusive of the 16 track CD. Otherwise, whilst i'd be very surprised if there wasn't a VF box set announced at a later date, it does seem strange that there's not a Newbury Comics exclusive, as there has for the last 3 albums. Okay, the AYNiN one was just a signed booklet - which i guess the Amazon UK one is replacing - but the (esp) the RCM glass & also the PG postcard thing were cool. [Edit] Oh, & i'd personally call these 3 extra versions, as i would the previous Newbury ones or whatever... ...but as you'd not included any of them then i guessed that you had some other definition.
Well, any prints or signed items are just add ons and not a physical variation. So, if Newbury Comics put out a red/white/green or red/clear/green vinyl, then that'd be added to the list. Same would go for a VF box set. If you want to include the signed items and all that, then what was offered up first totaled - I believe - 17 different variants (signed items, bundles, etc).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 8:20:49 GMT -5
There's 3 nominal variants - - so the band store then there's the 12" print. - Amazon UK had the exclusive signed copy of the Deluxe. - & Amazon JP have a 24x24cm "Mega Jacket" exclusive of the 16 track CD. Otherwise, whilst i'd be very surprised if there wasn't a VF box set announced at a later date, it does seem strange that there's not a Newbury Comics exclusive, as there has for the last 3 albums. Okay, the AYNiN one was just a signed booklet - which i guess the Amazon UK one is replacing - but the (esp) the RCM glass & also the PG postcard thing were cool. [Edit] Oh, & i'd personally call these 3 extra versions, as i would the previous Newbury ones or whatever... ...but as you'd not included any of them then i guessed that you had some other definition.
Well, any prints or signed items are just add ons and not a physical variation. So, if Newbury Comics put out a red/white/green or red/clear/green vinyl, then that'd be added to the list. Same would go for a VF box set. If you want to include the signed items and all that, then what was offered up first totaled - I believe - 17 different variants (signed items, bundles, etc). But with the bundles from the official shop (ignoring the print atm), what it gave us was a slight discount on buying the things separately - as opposed to each one being something unique... ...where quite clearly i'd agree that, clearly ordering £20 of stuff from Amazon UK (let's say the CD & some quantity of laundry detergent) to get a discount - in this case the 'free postage' - wouldn't make the items in the parcel a version.
[NB obviously the postage doesn't actually become free, as it still has to be paid for within the bill... ...so it's a surcharge for being under £20 & the postage is within the item cost - & instead it's just a way to encourage people to buy a bit more & saving on packaging & stuff... ...hence it's a discount on the order by bundling stuff.
Whilst the £10 for books here is irrelevant as FP isn't a book.]
Now, just to understand the position you're taking then, using the legacy Japanese vinyl releases as an example -
- are you therefore saying that, particularly with most of the LPs & EPs (& some 12"s), the copies with & without posters or sticker sheets or whatever are the same version? - &/or that, using the 1st album as an example, the 2 or 3 alt posters are the same version?
(i've always believed that the New Romantic poster is more likely to have come from something else - hence the "2 or 3")
- &/or that, using the 7&TRT LP without the standard/non-poster obi as an example, copies with nothing extra in, the book, sticker sheet, 'finger board' (the only name i've ever heard used for the thing), etc copies are all one & the same version?
Now, this is the reason why i'd personally say that both the print & "mega sleeves" are definitely alt versions... ...whilst what we don't know atm is what, if anything, Amazon may have stuck on the signed version (perhaps a sticker or something?) to differentiate it from the non-signed one. Anyway, i accept that this is opinion - & that naturally there are collectors where any minor variation will be seen as an alt version...
(which i personally think can be taking things a bit too far at times - however if someone enjoys that side of collecting then that's great of course) ...but it's partly explaining where i'm coming from & partly double checking your thinking by using the legacy stuff as an example.
Oh, & as an aside, i personally have issues with the test press being called a test press - since clearly, rather than the usual handful of them, they deliberately pressed an extra 100 (i think) copies in order to make money...
...whereas, in modern times, when other artists (or Cleopatra) have sold the test presses there's always been less than 10 - usually in the 3-6 range sold.
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Post by redmumba on Sept 20, 2021 11:29:01 GMT -5
Well, any prints or signed items are just add ons and not a physical variation. So, if Newbury Comics put out a red/white/green or red/clear/green vinyl, then that'd be added to the list. Same would go for a VF box set. If you want to include the signed items and all that, then what was offered up first totaled - I believe - 17 different variants (signed items, bundles, etc). But with the bundles from the official shop (ignoring the print atm), what it gave us was a slight discount on buying the things separately - as opposed to each one being something unique... ...where quite clearly i'd agree that, clearly ordering £20 of stuff from Amazon UK (let's say the CD & some quantity of laundry detergent) to get a discount - in this case the 'free postage' - wouldn't make the items in the parcel a version.
[NB obviously the postage doesn't actually become free, as it still has to be paid for within the bill... ...so it's a surcharge for being under £20 & the postage is within the item cost - & instead it's just a way to encourage people to buy a bit more & saving on packaging & stuff... ...hence it's a discount on the order by bundling stuff. Whilst the £10 for books here is irrelevant as FP isn't a book.]
Now, just to understand the position you're taking then, using the legacy Japanese vinyl releases as an example -
- are you therefore saying that, particularly with most of the LPs & EPs (& some 12"s), the copies with & without posters or sticker sheets or whatever are the same version? - &/or that, using the 1st album as an example, the 2 or 3 alt posters are the same version?
(i've always believed that the New Romantic poster is more likely to have come from something else - hence the "2 or 3")
- &/or that, using the 7&TRT LP without the standard/non-poster obi as an example, copies with nothing extra in, the book, sticker sheet, 'finger board' (the only name i've ever heard used for the thing), etc copies are all one & the same version?
Now, this is the reason why i'd personally say that both the print & "mega sleeves" are definitely alt versions... ...whilst what we don't know atm is what, if anything, Amazon may have stuck on the signed version (perhaps a sticker or something?) to differentiate it from the non-signed one. Anyway, i accept that this is opinion - & that naturally there are collectors where any minor variation will be seen as an alt version...
(which i personally think can be taking things a bit too far at times - however if someone enjoys that side of collecting then that's great of course) ...but it's partly explaining where i'm coming from & partly double checking your thinking by using the legacy stuff as an example.
Oh, & as an aside, i personally have issues with the test press being called a test press - since clearly, rather than the usual handful of them, they deliberately pressed an extra 100 (i think) copies in order to make money... ...whereas, in modern times, when other artists (or Cleopatra) have sold the test presses there's always been less than 10 - usually in the 3-6 range sold. I was looking more along the lines of actual physical releases of the music, but I do see your point about items that come with a print or some other "bells & whistle" - that's why I left it open to anyone to suggest "X physical release with X item(s)". I just listed the base items. Like, for example, last year I got sucked in and went down the rabbit hole with the Vince Guaraldi Trio and their soundtrack to A Charlie Brown Christmas. Since 2009, that soundtrack has been reissued on vinyl in a different color. Last year I received a notification about this snowball colored vinyl. I thought the vinyl looked pretty cool and it was limited, so I bought it. Then I come to discover that there were other reissues that year of the soundtrack, but on a different colored vinyl and some had a lenticular sleeve while another had a poster. In the end, I went as far back as 2018 collecting these and have a total of 8 copies and they're all different colored vinyl and have some different extra with it. So, yes, any CD, vinyl, tape that comes with a print or extra I would then consider a unique release, but at the end of the day my eye is looking at the actual physical media that the music is on and if there's anything unique about that. Again, this doesn't rule out what I just mentioned in terms of extras that comes with the item.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 12:46:18 GMT -5
I was looking more along the lines of actual physical releases of the music, but I do see your point about items that come with a print or some other "bells & whistle" - that's why I left it open to anyone to suggest "X physical release with X item(s)". I just listed the base items. Like, for example, last year I got sucked in and went down the rabbit hole with the Vince Guaraldi Trio and their soundtrack to A Charlie Brown Christmas. Since 2009, that soundtrack has been reissued on vinyl in a different color. Last year I received a notification about this snowball colored vinyl. I thought the vinyl looked pretty cool and it was limited, so I bought it. Then I come to discover that there were other reissues that year of the soundtrack, but on a different colored vinyl and some had a lenticular sleeve while another had a poster. In the end, I went as far back as 2018 collecting these and have a total of 8 copies and they're all different colored vinyl and have some different extra with it. So, yes, any CD, vinyl, tape that comes with a print or extra I would then consider a unique release, but at the end of the day my eye is looking at the actual physical media that the music is on and if there's anything unique about that. Again, this doesn't rule out what I just mentioned in terms of extras that comes with the item. Fair enough.
Yeah, i'm more than happy to agree to disagree on this - it just wasn't 100% clear whether you'd missed them or deliberately weren't including them.
So, whilst i don't see that there'd be any difference between, say, treating a release with an folded poster inside the sleeve as being an alt version to one without it...
...& a release with an (unfolded) print either inside or outside of the sleeve as an alt version to one without...
...i can appreciate that this isn't what you were asking.
Oh, & if there was, say, an official cassette with the same tracks on from Thailand - you'd ignore that from the list because it's the same media format & track list to the band store one?
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Post by redmumba on Sept 20, 2021 14:32:22 GMT -5
Oh, & if there was, say, an official cassette with the same tracks on from Thailand - you'd ignore that from the list because it's the same media format & track list to the band store one?
Correct. I'm just looking for variations on the physical item itself. So, basically we can get it right now in 3 physical formats: cassette CD vinyl From each one, we break it down. So, right now there's only one cassette. Should another version of the cassette come out with extra tracks or even an extra cassette, then we'd add that to the count. For the vinyl, we've got 6 versions: black white clear red green lime green If another version comes out that's yellow, swirled colored vinyl, some other color vinyl or box set vinyl, then that'd be added to the versions. Again, I get it that some of the CDs and / or vinyl come bundled together with a signed print or are signed - I'm more interested in the physical item that the music is on. Anything else is just gravy.
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Post by skintrade on Sept 20, 2021 15:52:20 GMT -5
Oh, & if there was, say, an official cassette with the same tracks on from Thailand - you'd ignore that from the list because it's the same media format & track list to the band store one?
Correct. I'm just looking for variations on the physical item itself. So, basically we can get it right now in 3 physical formats: cassette CD vinyl From each one, we break it down. So, right now there's only one cassette. Should another version of the cassette come out with extra tracks or even an extra cassette, then we'd add that to the count. For the vinyl, we've got 6 versions: black white clear red green lime green If another version comes out that's yellow, swirled colored vinyl, some other color vinyl or box set vinyl, then that'd be added to the versions. Again, I get it that some of the CDs and / or vinyl come bundled together with a signed print or are signed - I'm more interested in the physical item that the music is on. Anything else is just gravy. Where is the black vinyl available? Standard issue for this release is on white vinyl isn’t it
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Post by Den on Sept 20, 2021 15:57:46 GMT -5
Correct. I'm just looking for variations on the physical item itself. So, basically we can get it right now in 3 physical formats: cassette CD vinyl From each one, we break it down. So, right now there's only one cassette. Should another version of the cassette come out with extra tracks or even an extra cassette, then we'd add that to the count. For the vinyl, we've got 6 versions: black white clear red green lime green If another version comes out that's yellow, swirled colored vinyl, some other color vinyl or box set vinyl, then that'd be added to the versions. Again, I get it that some of the CDs and / or vinyl come bundled together with a signed print or are signed - I'm more interested in the physical item that the music is on. Anything else is just gravy. Where is the black vinyl available? Standard issue for this release is on white vinyl isn’t it? I think the black vinyl is the 'test-pressing', 100 'test-pressings' were put up for pre-order. 100 is a really, really high number for test-presses. *edit* I recall Pet Shop Boys doing the same in 2016 with their album 'Super' with a grand total of 8 test-presses.
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Post by skintrade on Sept 20, 2021 16:00:35 GMT -5
Where is the black vinyl available? Standard issue for this release is on white vinyl isn’t it? I think the black vinyl is the 'test-pressing', 100 'test-pressing' were put up for pre-order. 100 is a really, really high number for test-presses. *edit* I recall Pet Shop Boys doing the same in 2016 with their album 'Super' with a grand total of 8 test-presses. Thanks for the clarification. Thought I’d missed one there for a second.
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