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Post by nosferatu on Apr 11, 2024 13:32:20 GMT -5
It's true. They never managed to break through in continental Europe. Continental Europe only likes bells and whistle songs ie Depeche Music, industrial and DJ type music...they are not into abstract lyrics or top 40..is my take... Loyal fan base in Italy though.. That's hard to say andre. Much music from Britain caught on in continental Europe in every era. I think that in the case of DD, a lot of damage was done by their management, which did not know how to provide them with enough promo, even in the era of their greatest fame. Just count how many concerts they performed in Europe and how many in the USA in the first half of the eighties. It's a big disparity.
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Post by theprocess on Apr 11, 2024 14:24:20 GMT -5
Continental Europe only likes bells and whistle songs ie Depeche Music, industrial and DJ type music...they are not into abstract lyrics or top 40..is my take... Loyal fan base in Italy though.. That's hard to say andre. Much music from Britain caught on in continental Europe in every era. I think that in the case of DD, a lot of damage was done by their management, which did not know how to provide them with enough promo, even in the era of their greatest fame. Just count how many concerts they performed in Europe and how many in the USA in the first half of the eighties. It's a big disparity. Well said about the management. Despite the ridiculous level of fame they achieved in the early 80s, when you dig into that era, the Berrows seemed really out their depth. A lot of really bad decisions made. They helped the band realise their vision but the band's songwriting, charisma, image and live show was what made them so big. That was how they broke America when others couldn't. They missed a trick with Europe. I know they spent a lot of time touring the States in those early years trying to break it but their schedules could have been better arranged. U2 managed it. Ultimately the Berrows were two brothers who owned a nightclub and were partial to buying boats. They needed a much more experienced management team who could see them on a worldwide level. Depeche Mode achieved both a bit later in the decade but they concentrated on Europe first and started breaking America on the Music For The Masses tour.
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Post by nosferatu on Apr 11, 2024 14:42:25 GMT -5
That's hard to say andre. Much music from Britain caught on in continental Europe in every era. I think that in the case of DD, a lot of damage was done by their management, which did not know how to provide them with enough promo, even in the era of their greatest fame. Just count how many concerts they performed in Europe and how many in the USA in the first half of the eighties. It's a big disparity. Well said about the management. Despite the ridiculous level of fame they achieved in the early 80s, when you dig into that era, the Berrows seemed really out their depth. A lot of really bad decisions made. They helped the band realise their vision but the band's songwriting, charisma, image and live show was what made them so big. That was how they broke America when others couldn't. They missed a trick with Europe. I know they spent a lot of time touring the States in those early years trying to break it but their schedules could have been better arranged. U2 managed it. Ultimately the Berrows were two brothers who owned a nightclub and were partial to buying boats. They needed a much more experienced management team who could see them on a worldwide level. Depeche Mode achieved both a bit later in the decade but they concentrated on Europe first and started breaking America on the Music For The Masses tour. Exactly. They had to balance their focus. Apparently, they thought that when they conquer America, their popularity will automatically move to Europe. A mistake. They lacked a well-thought-out plan and procedure. Unfortunately, it seems that it is already too late.
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Post by andre005 on Apr 11, 2024 14:47:08 GMT -5
Well said about the management. Despite the ridiculous level of fame they achieved in the early 80s, when you dig into that era, the Berrows seemed really out their depth. A lot of really bad decisions made. They helped the band realise their vision but the band's songwriting, charisma, image and live show was what made them so big. That was how they broke America when others couldn't. They missed a trick with Europe. I know they spent a lot of time touring the States in those early years trying to break it but their schedules could have been better arranged. U2 managed it. Ultimately the Berrows were two brothers who owned a nightclub and were partial to buying boats. They needed a much more experienced management team who could see them on a worldwide level. Depeche Mode achieved both a bit later in the decade but they concentrated on Europe first and started breaking America on the Music For The Masses tour. Exactly. They had to balance their focus. Apparently, they thought that when they conquer America, their popularity will automatically move to Europe. A mistake. They lacked a well-thought-out plan and procedure. Unfortunately, it seems that it is already too late. Not sure what you mean. Lots of DD albums and singles have done very well in Europe over the years..as big as Depeche Mode is in Europe as an example they have not had a # 1 single in the UK or US...you can't win them all..which is very hard to believe.. Plus, with Andy back on Astronaut they hit a lot of Continental Europe tour sites as well as with TWA and did pretty decent for touring.. and did well during 1987 tour in Europe as well..
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Post by nosferatu on Apr 11, 2024 15:01:13 GMT -5
Exactly. They had to balance their focus. Apparently, they thought that when they conquer America, their popularity will automatically move to Europe. A mistake. They lacked a well-thought-out plan and procedure. Unfortunately, it seems that it is already too late. Not sure what you mean. Lots of DD albums and singles have done very well in Europe over the years..as big as Depeche Mode is in Europe as an example they have not had a # 1 single in the UK or US...you can't win them all..which is very hard to believe.. Plus, with Andy back on Astronaut they hit a lot of Continental Europe tour sites as well as with TWA and did pretty decent for touring.. and did well during 1987 tour in Europe as well.. This is the number of dates on the tour. TWA - the vast majority of concerts were in the USA. Some dates in Europe have been canceled and not replaced. Medazzaland? Not a single show in Europe. Greatest and leatest as well. Except UK. Pop Trash - a few performances in Eastern Europe. The Astronaut tour was a flop in Europe. I have been to several performances and they were half-empty halls where some sectors were covered by curtains. I'm not talking about the UK and Italy. There, this tour was a hit. The point is that they are focused primarily on the US in terms of concerts and marketing, and this is reflected in their popularity in Europe. I don't want to offend anyone, but for me, for example, Pet Shop Boys and Erasure are average and overrated bands, but compared to DD, they are inexplicably more popular in continental Europe.
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Post by andre005 on Apr 11, 2024 15:16:04 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean. Lots of DD albums and singles have done very well in Europe over the years..as big as Depeche Mode is in Europe as an example they have not had a # 1 single in the UK or US...you can't win them all..which is very hard to believe.. Plus, with Andy back on Astronaut they hit a lot of Continental Europe tour sites as well as with TWA and did pretty decent for touring.. and did well during 1987 tour in Europe as well.. This is the number of dates on the tour. TWA - the vast majority of concerts were in the USA. Some dates in Europe have been canceled and not replaced. Medazzaland? Not a single show in Europe. Greatest and leatest as well. Except UK. Pop Trash - a few performances in Eastern Europe. The Astronaut tour was a flop in Europe. I have been to several performances and they were half-empty halls where some sectors were covered by curtains. I'm not talking about the UK and Italy. There, this tour was a hit. The point is that they are focused primarily on the US in terms of concerts and marketing, and this is reflected in their popularity in Europe. I don't want to offend anyone, but for me, for example, Pet Shop Boys and Erasure are average and overrated bands, but compared to DD, they are inexplicably more popular in continental Europe. Well in 2005 they played 2 sold out shows in Amsterdam at Music Hall capacity 6K..so not sure they would book 2 shows if one didn't do well..didn't Roger break his foot and lot of shows had to be canceled r rescheduled? I know for a fact Europeans love electronic music and seem to be stuck more into DJ based club music...I think also it's key to have their music pushed there and in Australia for the new stuff on the radio so they aren't just a 80's band..hard to get djs on local radio stations to play their newer stuff ... And wasn't this DD performance taped for a TV special at a racetrack after Andy left with Dom..I mean the fans in Warsaw Poland were happy to see DD play there..great reception from a European country not the UK or Italy. Plus all the big profits touring are in the US..that's why they keep coming back here and ignoring everyone else--which is wrong IMO..$$$$$$$
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