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Post by aftertherain on Apr 9, 2024 15:25:13 GMT -5
Flicked thru the annual CP 1984 magazine the other day and it’s not often I’m disappointed with the CP mag, but I was a little Why The wild boys (No2) didn’t even feature in the year’s top 40 songs yet a song like Blacmange’s crappy Don’t Tell Me does? I get the wild boys was released late in the year however it’s chart position let alone TWBs clip such as it was, makes it a stand out offering in my book. in addition, The Arena LP isn’t even featured and/or mentioned ? Yeah I get it was live in essence yet still Umm Wasn’t DDs 1984 SBS tour, the biggest DD had ever achieved at that point? I love the CP mag and this is their first ever flaw IMO coz I know they love DD ‘nearly’ as much as we do www.yourcelebritymagazines.com/en-au/products/classic-pop-presents-magazine-1984-madonna-prince-sade-wham-george-michael
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Post by nosferatu on Apr 10, 2024 10:23:27 GMT -5
It is possible that they were preparing that number even before the release of WB and lp Arena. Otherwise, Arena is a fiasco for me. Any live bootleg from that era is better and more authentic to me with better atmosphere than this lp. I suspect that it is studio edited and improved.
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Post by aftertherain on Apr 10, 2024 16:40:19 GMT -5
It is possible that they were preparing that number even before the release of WB and lp Arena. Otherwise, Arena is a fiasco for me. Any live bootleg from that era is better and more authentic to me with better atmosphere than this lp. I suspect that it is studio edited and improved. not quite sure what you mean by ¨It is possible that they were preparing that number even before the release of WB and lp Arena¨ in 1984 TWB got to number two on the charts TWBs never features in the classic pop’s annual top 40 songs of 1984, the magazine is a current publication and in newsagents now, this edition would have been created mid to late last year I imagine I get that Arena isn’t quite a live LP in the true sense of the word and I’ve heard better live LPs too yet at the time regardless of this it was DDs biggest selling LP outselling sales of 7 and the ragged tiger yet doesn’t feature whatsoever in classic pops retrospective artist releases of 1984 Let’s face it, commercially dd could do no wrong way back in 84
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Post by theprocess on Apr 11, 2024 4:47:52 GMT -5
History can be re-written sometimes. DD went global in 84 but I know this might sound crazy now, but in the UK and some of Europe, DD were not as big as they had been, especially in the early months of the year.
Although they turned things around with the Reflex in mid 84, until then, DD were struggling in UK and Europe. They didn't do any live dates in the UK in 84. SATRT hadn't been recieved too well and didnt have the chart legs of Rio. Both UOTS and NMOM had poor chart places (for them) and were slipping until the Reflex was remixed and was a big hit.
By Wild Boys things were back on track in the UK but am I not right in saying they never recovered in places like Germany / Belgium / France / Scandanavia?
The magazine should still have featured them though.
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Post by aftertherain on Apr 11, 2024 5:21:37 GMT -5
Not sure about Europe? I’m aware they never hit it like Aust, UK and USA
But DD were a big thing in the UK in 1983 from what I recall
ITSISK went straight in at No1, Union of the 🐍 fared ok in at No3, the critics may have not liked the 7 LP but it was DDs first No1 LP in the uk so that woulda shut the critics up at least and they played 5 nights at Wembley arena as part of their sbs tour
I think they had made it
Sure they grew even more by late 84 but indeed they were massive in 83 too
I imagine they played to 50,000 at least over 5 nights in London at Wembley arena and they had also played to approx 20,000 (I think) at Aston Villa that same year let alone the remaining city dates of the uk SBS tour
I could be wrong yet, That’s how I remember that particular time
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Post by theprocess on Apr 11, 2024 5:54:27 GMT -5
Not sure about Europe? I’m aware they never hit it like Aust, UK and USA But DD were a big thing in the UK in 1983 from what I recall ITSISK went straight in at No1, Union of the 🐍 fared ok in at No3, the critics may have not liked the 7 LP but it was DDs first No1 LP in the uk so that woulda shut the critics up at least and they played 5 nights at Wembley arena as part of their sbs tour I think they had made it Sure they grew even more by late 84 but indeed they were massive in 83 too I imagine they played to 50,000 at least over 5 nights in London at Wembley arena and they had also played to approx 30,000 (I think) at Aston Villa that same year let alone the remaining city dates of the uk SBS tour I could be wrong yet, That’s how I remember that particular time All of what you say is correct but most relates to 83. A year was a long time in pop music back then, especially 1984 when’s all the early 80s bands all were peaking. By early 84 SATRT had dropped out the chart after only a month or two whilst previously the Rio album had floated around the chart for a year. NEw Moon On Monday nearly missed the Top 10 and that was a January release when it’s easy to score high in the charts. There were no live dates in the UK in 84. I remember at the time people were expecting some live dates at the end of 84 but never materialised. Even though Nile gave them a huge hit with his remix, there was never a 4th single from the album like Rio had done. At that point the jury was out on them. WB bounced them back. I accept this view maybe controversial but other UK based fans from that time will probably able to confirm the same. I accept that elsewhere in the world they were reaching new heights.
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Post by aftertherain on Apr 11, 2024 6:34:04 GMT -5
Not sure about Europe? I’m aware they never hit it like Aust, UK and USA But DD were a big thing in the UK in 1983 from what I recall ITSISK went straight in at No1, Union of the 🐍 fared ok in at No3, the critics may have not liked the 7 LP but it was DDs first No1 LP in the uk so that woulda shut the critics up at least and they played 5 nights at Wembley arena as part of their sbs tour I think they had made it Sure they grew even more by late 84 but indeed they were massive in 83 too I imagine they played to 50,000 at least over 5 nights in London at Wembley arena and they had also played to approx 30,000 (I think) at Aston Villa that same year let alone the remaining city dates of the uk SBS tour I could be wrong yet, That’s how I remember that particular time All of what you say is correct but most relates to 83. A year was a long time in pop music back then, especially 1984 when’s all the early 80s bands all were peaking. By early 84 SATRT had dropped out the chart after only a month or two whilst previously the Rio album had floated around the chart for a year. NEw Moon On Monday nearly missed the Top 10 and that was a January release when it’s easy to score high in the charts. There were no live dates in the UK in 84. I remember at the time people were expecting some live dates at the end of 84 but never materialised. Even though Nile gave them a huge hit with his remix, there was never a 4th single from the album like Rio had done. At that point the jury was out on them. WB bounced them back. I accept this view maybe controversial but other UK based fans from that time will probably able to confirm the same. I accept that elsewhere in the world they were reaching new heights. I see your point but I only brought up 83 because you mentioned they played no dates in the uk in 84 which is true However they played no dates in the uk in 84 coz the sbs uk leg was as late as December 83 and ended two days before Xmas if my memory serves me correctly when a band is playing x 5 at Londons Wembley arena, they’ve pretty much made it and obviously there’s room to grow which there was (why the arena LP sold more than 7 despite it never hitting No1) however all that all came to a halt when dd lost 2 fifths (40%) of their core group by mid 86 indeed the trajectory was up n up from 83 & beyond in my Australian city in November of 83 DD played the outdoor tennis centre (a 12,000 seater) where the likes of led Zep, the stones, the police and bob dylan had played before them DD have since yet to play a bigger venue in my city at least
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Post by Goalzzz on Apr 11, 2024 10:38:22 GMT -5
Not sure about Europe? I’m aware they never hit it like Aust, UK and USA But DD were a big thing in the UK in 1983 from what I recall ITSISK went straight in at No1, Union of the 🐍 fared ok in at No3, Chartpositions for The Netherlands Top 40 before The Reflex hit number 1: SAP peaked at 19 ITSISK peaked at 14 Union at 15 New Moon at 26
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Post by nosferatu on Apr 11, 2024 11:31:00 GMT -5
It's true. They never managed to break through in continental Europe.
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Post by andre005 on Apr 11, 2024 13:12:30 GMT -5
It's true. They never managed to break through in continental Europe. Continental Europe only likes bells and whistle songs ie Depeche Music, industrial and DJ type music...they are not into abstract lyrics or top 40..is my take... Loyal fan base in Italy though..
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