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Post by wiseandnaked on Sept 6, 2011 16:39:00 GMT -5
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Post by La Princess on Sept 7, 2011 2:04:34 GMT -5
I read that and get articles often from Truth Out. Here's the thing though: both parties are really out to screw the American person (example: Clinton sigining NAFTA). The far right that have taken over the Republican Party nationally are basically bat crazy and nutjobs. The Republicans for the most part in Illinois are pretty sane moderate and tend to be pro choice and pro gay rights. Most of them probably wouldn't be elected nationally though because they are sane. Oddly, in Illinois it's mostly the Dems who are crazy, though in a different way. The Dems in Illinois love to spend money on everything while raising taxes on middle class (and by middle class I mean middle class, not $250,00+ people). That's another topic though and not related to this. I am a fiscal conservative but a social liberal (for the most part). I support abortion rights (though personally would likely not have one) and support gay marriage. However I tend to side with Republicans on issues like welfare reform (though I don't want someone to starve because of no money). I'm not going to get further into this because I have stated it repeatedly.
I have never voted for a Republican nationally though have in Illinois. If someone more on the moderate side ran in 2012 I may consider but not someone like Bachmann or Palin. Because the religious right has taken over the GOP I can't imagine a moderate even running. I am a devout Christian but despise the religious right because they want a world with their agenda.
All of this aside though and it's important to remember the true motive behind the current Republican Party and that is to completely destroy our economy. The Dems are behind it too but it really started with the GOP. Probably the greatest danger Americans face is outsourcing and visaed workers. When outsourcing really started (during Reagan I believe but could be wrong)it was just low paying jobs. It has increased to skilled professional jobs. Add in visaed workers mostly from countries like India and all the jobs lost to foreign workers is unbelievable. The thing is the GOP instead concentrates on illegal immigrants, which is a problem (and I oppose illegal immigrant)but not the problem facing skilled workers.
Btw, even though I have been called a Republican, in fact I am a registered Democrat. I do not like either party and though I voted for Obama in 2008 he has let me down. He's not doing enough to stay strong and fight for the American worker. If he keeps doing this he will lose the election.
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Post by errbt on Sept 8, 2011 12:51:27 GMT -5
Tremendous article. Many thanks for finding/posting it. |
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Post by wiseandnaked on Sept 9, 2011 10:22:10 GMT -5
I usually argue politics over on the BBC website, where I heard about this article, but it was too good not to share over here.
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Post by sarahb1863 on Sept 10, 2011 10:59:18 GMT -5
I do not like either party and though I voted for Obama in 2008 he has let me down. He's not doing enough to stay strong and fight for the American worker. If he keeps doing this he will lose the election. I don't think Obama will have any trouble getting a second term. Have you seen the Republican candidates? Not one of them has a majority even in the Republican party, let alone the nation. Most of them are either religious fundamentalists (Perry, Bachmann) or also-rans from the last election who are running on the same tired ideas that got them nowhere the last time (Gingrich, Romney, Paul). For someone to beat Obama they not only have to have majority support in the Republican party, but also have to snag the Independent vote and some of the Democratic vote too, to get that 51%. And let's not forget that the GOP itself is split into two factions, the old-line Republicans and the Tea Partyers. The Tea Party won't support a non-TP member, and the old-liners are frankly frightened of the TP's fanaticism. It's likely that any GOP candidate will have to contend with that, which is pretty scary to contemplate if you're someone who wants a Republican victory. What do you all think? Is there a Republican candidate who could be a credible threat to the sitting president? PS My prediction on this scenario is this: the GOP will select an old-line Republican for a candidate because they know a Tea Party candidate won't get enough votes to defeat Obama, the Tea Party will become furious and run their own candidate as a third party alternative (likely Bachmann or Sarah Palin, if she declares), they'll split the Republican vote and Obama will stroll into the White House for a second term. I could be wrong, of course. Guess we'll see! |
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Post by La Princess on Sept 10, 2011 13:22:24 GMT -5
I would agree the Republican candidates are for the most part nutty, but it's important to remember it's very unlikely that a president gets re elected with the economy as bad as it is. Not saying it will happen but could. As for voting for nutty candidates, remember people voted for Bush twice. People are pretty stupid. Out of all the candidates I think Romney has the best chance. The rest, no, though to be honest I like Ron Paul though don't agree with everything he stands for.
Yes the tea party is scary but the original intent was very honorable and that was to have fiscal responsibility. That's something we need desperately here because both parties need to save more than they do. They spend and spend and we pay more in taxes. Illinois is a mess because the politicians here love to spend then tax everyone more. It's so bad that everyone is moving to NW Indiana including companies.
That is interesting that the tea party could split but I don't think so. The Republican Party is way too into them for them to split. I have a feeling one of them will get the nom, which hopefully means Obama gets the presidency again.
However, this is over a year away and who knows what will happen. The economy seems to be getting better going by what I see and if it does get better Obama is pretty much a sure thing.
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Post by marchmadness on Sept 12, 2011 14:18:58 GMT -5
The polls have Obama losing to an un-named republican. That means it doesn't matter who runs, people are tired of Obama and don't plan to vote for him. Unless the republican party puts a complete mess out there or if Obama doesn't get his stuff together, he is going to lose. But really, who could be worse? He has surpassed Carter in being the worst president ever. That's quite a feat.
I personally am for Herman Cain. I think he has some great ideas and seems like a straight forward kind of guy. He doesn't seem like a liar or a sweet talker, telling everyone what they want to hear. He seems strong and able to run this country. A nice change from what we have now.
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Post by sarahb1863 on Sept 12, 2011 20:01:58 GMT -5
MM, is this the poll you're basing your assertion on? www.gallup.com/poll/148076/2012-voter-preferences-obama-republican-remain-close.aspxIf so, it's worth noting that the website has this to say: June Results Bear Little Relation to Election Outcome Gallup asked similar generic ballot questions leading up to the 1992 and 2004 elections, when an incumbent president (George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, respectively) was seeking re-election but his likely opponent was unknown, given that there was not an obvious front-runner in the Democratic primaries in those years. In June 1991 and June 2003, both Bushes held wide leads over their generic Democratic opponents. At those times, both presidents were quite popular, with the elder Bush averaging 72% approval in June 1991 and the younger Bush 62% approval in June 2003. Obama averaged 46% approval during the most recent week of Gallup Daily tracking. Neither June generic ballot result was highly predictive of the eventual outcome; the elder Bush was defeated for re-election and the younger Bush won a narrow victory. In other words: It's a toss-up! :-) |
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Post by La Princess on Sept 12, 2011 22:31:01 GMT -5
Sarah, do you remember that one skit on SNL around 1991 or so? The skit was called something like "Democratic candidates who will be beat by George Bush in 1992". At that point Bush had a huge approval rating (I think it was right after Desert Storm)and no one even thought the candidate had a chance. Then of course Clinton and Bush lost. The polls have Obama losing to an un-named republican. That means it doesn't matter who runs, people are tired of Obama and don't plan to vote for him. Unless the republican party puts a complete mess out there or if Obama doesn't get his stuff together, he is going to lose. But really, who could be worse? He has surpassed Carter in being the worst president ever. That's quite a feat. I personally am for Herman Cain. I think he has some great ideas and seems like a straight forward kind of guy. He doesn't seem like a liar or a sweet talker, telling everyone what they want to hear. He seems strong and able to run this country. A nice change from what we have now. I don't know enough about Cain and neither does anyone else. I'll have to look for videos of him at YouTube. I doubt he will be a candidate. I see it either being Romney or one of the bat crazy Republicans like Bachmann. People will not vote for her. People are for the most part moderate and anyone extreme usually doesn't get in. However, we still have over a year and it's possible someone else will run. I don't think Obama is the worst president. Yes, he's a mess, but I still think Bush 2 was the worst. He did a lot of damage to the country, including sigining more "free trade" aka more outsourcing bills. He also gave more and more tax breaks to millionaires. You and would agree on many of the tax views, but I have no problem with millionaires paying their fair share, especially if they are outsourcing jobs and getting tax breaks. I think it's horrendous and traitorous that companies are getting tax breaks to send jobs overseas. Also, polls really don't mean much until the election. Last year it was predicted our governor Pat Quinn would be defeated. He's beyond awful, and never met a tax increase he didn't like. He loves providing free welfare to illegals while he taxes the middle class to pay for more and more welfare. He still won and the reason is the Republican who ran against him was even worse. The guy who ran against him stated in a video he believed abortion should always be illegal and women should be paid less for the same job. He's also for killing dogs and cats randomly. Just an awful choice in a state that yes has voted for Republicans, MODERATE Republicans. If Quinn's opponent had been a moderate he would have gotten my vote, but I could not vote for a chauvinist animal killer. |
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Post by nightboat13 on Sept 13, 2011 1:20:56 GMT -5
The Republitards know they can't get a President elected next year. The prize they're eyeing is around 20 more seats in the Senate, with the bonus of a filibuster-proof House. There are a bunch of gubernatorial elections too.
Stay alert.
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