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Post by ashes on Jan 5, 2012 0:59:32 GMT -5
Is this the NDAA?
Or is this the NSA?
Or is this the CIA?
I thought it was the USA ... well not that there's a difference anymore.
Some are awakening a little more while the media goes all out in attacking Ron Paul as the Iowa votes get counted in a secret location. Reuters, AP, Time, all the "respectable" people lost no time in bringing up the newletters while calling Romney and Gingrich the top candidates. Funny since the polls not picked up on by the mainstream showed Paul was right at the top. Funny also especially how Santorum "surged right at the end." This was one assessment of it:
Lew Rockwell
Writes Brad Funkhouser:
"I've been following Iowa GOP vote counts for a long time ... They are being slow-walked...in 2012. Negotiations are going on... Cash is changing hands. Apparently GOP chieftains are 'persuading,' by one means or the other, Perry and Bachmann people who hold considerable hold sway over large blocs of votes to switch to Romney and Santorum - leaving Ron in the dust... Also abusing suddenly lax ID registration may have created many fake votes for neocons Santorum and Romney. Santorum has no organization, never drew over 100 people during his entire campaign. Of course he did bribe and received the benediction of of that 'family' leader who demanded 1 million dollars that were to be distributed in part to cronies. This is the biggest fraud since Kennedy stole the West Virginia Primary. Perry had built a pretty organization and was around 13% of the vote. He drew far larger crowds than Santorum and ends up with just 10%. Did those votes go. Santorum? Santorum didn't earn 24% of the vote."
All in all, the pro-war media must keep shilling for war.
This was one that topped them all ...
Welcome to a brave new world of indefinite detentions, endless wars, white house propaganda and a largely stupified population. But many are awakening as it should be.
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Post by ashes on Jan 5, 2012 1:15:34 GMT -5
Even a loud largely brainwashed brat like Cenk has come around quite a bit though not in becoming a supporter.
If Paul ran as a democrat he'd probably be nominated in a hurry.
Many of the comments you see online in support come from democrats. If it's anyone else you can say hello to war with Iran and the further decimation of life in the US as well.
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Post by nightboat13 on Jan 15, 2012 5:33:39 GMT -5
Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Jon Huntsman failed to register their candidacy in time in the state of Virginia.
So Paul will do reasonably well there.
Ron Paul is not a darling of the democrats. The more that comes out on his racism and misogyny, the more potential votes he loses. His desire to privatize Social Security and get rid of the Department of Education and the EPA [prove that he's a Corporate shill like everyone else on the right.
As of now it looks very much as though the country is swinging away from the far right. Democrats are going liberal, republicans are going centrist. As of now it looks very much like Obama's going to win, and the republicans know it. That's why they're running the 2nd string - the real candidates won't show up until at least 2016 - and that depends on whether or not Biden or Hillary runs.
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Post by sueb1863 on Jan 15, 2012 11:11:12 GMT -5
Yeah, the 2012 election's already over. Romney is going to get the nomination and he's going to lose to Obama. It isn't even going to be interesting.
2016 is going to be a free for all, though.
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Post by La Princess on Jan 15, 2012 14:06:36 GMT -5
Agreed. I don't think any of the Republicans will win. 2016 I'm hoping someone new comes along but I doubt it.
Before all of this Ron Paul was one of the Republicans I actually considered voting for. I like his libertarian leanings on things like anti war, anti death penalty and against the war on drugs. However, the racist comments he has allegedly made make me nervous. Plus he recently stated that he is opposed to birth control. He's against welfare and if people don't use birth control there will be more babies on welfare.
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Post by ashes on Jan 15, 2012 20:34:42 GMT -5
Where did he make the birth control comments?
At the present time it's preposterous to claim anyone else has a solution. The racism thing is absolute slander. He actually has something so rare where he can accept 'moral responsibility' for something written in his name, but he plays into the hands of people that will seize that and character assasinate him. Even his ex-campaign guy who spoke against him said he never heard a racist word out of him ever. It's trash talking from both sides.
The other choices in both parties are corporate sponsored war candidates, to the fullest.
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Post by ashes on Jan 15, 2012 21:53:21 GMT -5
Romney isn't a clear winner yet. Ron Paul is showing himself to be a strong second. It might require a miracle, but if he gets the republican nomination, alongside young republicans, democrats and independents will vote him into the presidency before Obama. Go look at media sites everywhere, the excitement is clear to see.
If one uses judgement they can see how Paul would be the farthest thing from a racist. And innocent of other similar childish charges thrown out by the media.
Paul's message is so alien because a lot of people, but not all, can't do what he personally practises which is to empower oneself and act altruistically. As a doctor he treated people for free, and he didn't screw people over. The Scandinavian countries are going broke despite its high taxes. Canada's pension plans can't take care of its ageing citizens. That's about mainly what Paul is getting at, governments will fail. And both taxes and govt run insurance really are wealth transfers. How is that noble, or how does it make you not an unconsciencious person? People contribute to it knowing that they might benefit from it someday.
Do you disagree that it is self-interest which motivates? If that isn't so, aren't many dems about to vote for a pro-social security guy who also kills innocent people abroad? And they are innocent because the lies get progressively worse than the Iraq war days. Why does Paul do the things he does? Because he feels things apply to everybody, not selectively. Try explaining such a view to people who thrive on being divided and control - so essential to their very identity. He doesn't want black poor people in jail over the drug wars, and he doesn't want to tax the wealthy just because he can.
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Post by ashes on Jan 15, 2012 22:38:34 GMT -5
How is that noble, or how does it make you not an unconsciencious person? Do you disagree that it is self-interest which motivates? What is government insurance and healthcare, but like government sponsored foreign intervention more of what could be summed up as fake compassion? We see that compassion against Libya, Bahrain and now Iran. Yes, defying all logic, we (meaning non-hardcore liberals and conservatives) are expected to believe that a pro-rendition,TSA,NSA enabled, drone bombing, depleted uranium deploying, civillian killing govt does all the good things in life for people. If this much is not plainly visible, the light has gone out of you as a human being... And that is where the roof of the corruption lies. Not in the congressmen from either parties. It is in the people. And when given a choice they ask for Barrabas the criminal. If that is the choice you make, fate has many dreadful consequences for you. How many have the genuine compassion of teaching people to fish? When Ron Paul speaks on that theme, he was accused of being non-humanitarian. Giving to charity from your own purse is benovelent. But putting on airs of concern like Bono, Michael Stipe and Hollywood liberals and 'educated' people do, and screaming at government (really other people's money) to get involved in 'causes' costs one little and adds to the arrogance that it is 'my tax payer money' that contributed to others well being. |
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Post by La Princess on Jan 16, 2012 0:43:21 GMT -5
Where did he make the birth control comments? At the present time it's preposterous to claim anyone else has a solution. The racism thing is absolute slander. He actually has something so rare where he can accept 'moral responsibility' for something written in his name, but he plays into the hands of people that will seize that and character assasinate him. Even his ex-campaign guy who spoke against him said he never heard a racist word out of him ever. It's trash talking from both sides. The other choices in both parties are corporate sponsored war candidates, to the fullest. I don't like any of the choices and yes they are all corporate shills, including Obama. I wasn't sure about the birth control comments either until I read that he was part of a group of politicians who are trying to say birth control is a form of abortion. He also said birth control is a mockery of Christians. Now if he had said he was opposed to funding birth control I would understand. Many people are opposed to birth control. Like I said I support many things he stands for and as someone with many strong libertarian leanings I would be persuaded to vote for him. |
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Post by ashes on Jan 16, 2012 16:55:20 GMT -5
I wasn't sure about the birth control comments either until I read that he was part of a group of politicians who are trying to say birth control is a form of abortion. He also said birth control is a mockery of Christians. Now if he had said he was opposed to funding birth control I would understand. Many people are opposed to birth control. Like I said I support many things he stands for and as someone with many strong libertarian leanings I would be persuaded to vote for him. What he said was government mandated birth control is a mockery of Christians. And it would be as unfair as the govt being pro-abstinence; therefore it's better for govt to stay out of it. He states in the first chapter of Liberty Defined that the pill is fine for very early pregnancies and rape cases. He says morality as he defines it is an issue for society not government. I'm not comfortable with the pro-life position and yet I'm not against the idea. The interesting thing is the hysteria amongst the stereotypical left wing fake moral activist, in condemning killings of children in places like India, calling it feoticide. They do because they're poor ... just like such women in the west. One of the real requisities of intelligence should be to understand irony. There are so many that boast high IQ's but irony, hypocrisy goes over their heads like a speeding jet plane. Bottom line is, you need sensible objective people to look into social issues, not those whose identity itself depends on being biased for one thing. They are the last to understand what liberty means. |
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