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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 10:27:14 GMT -5
I'm sure live version of paper songs in their setlist will be really interesting!!!and dancing!!!!!
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Post by l0st1t2b0st1k on Sept 3, 2015 11:32:04 GMT -5
I haven't misunderstood anything. "Lame Top 40 nonsense" proves my point entirely. Now, which are you again? Statler or Waldorf? Are you stupid? Do you not understand that there are literally hundreds of thousands of people under 25 who consider Top 40 music to be lame nonsense?!?!?! I certainly did when I was 10, 13, 18, 23.... When I was a kid, it was my parents who were buying all the Top 40 singles and albums while I was hunting for original and less known artists that were more edgy and in tune with what I was experiencing. Top 40 ALWAYS felt like the domain of the older people who wanted something safer. I have no idea what world you are living in where Top 40 equates to youth and forward thinking. I also have no idea who or what Statler or Waldorf is. Perhaps one has to be old to understand that reference. My, my, my, we have a temper, don't we, diatribein? For the record, you were the one who initially threw expletives about in an attempt to belittle anyone who disagreed with your opinion. I thought that by joining this messageboard, we would all be mature enough here to have healthy deRhodes and discussions about a band we all obviously love and not to resort to childish name-calling. Apparently, I was wrong. As for your comment that you were somehow always underground, listening to alternative before that label even existed, how did you ever come to like Duran Duran then? I'm not sure which era you grew up in but, in the '80s, Duran Duran were Top 40 and, towards the latter half of the decade, so were many of the "alternative" bands you seem to adore (The Cure's "Pictures Of You," Siouxsie's "Kiss Them For Me," etc.). Now, alternative has been institutionalized and is really no longer "alternative." As for your comment that Top 40 is somehow not youth-oriented, I must disagree. Even back in the '80s there existed "adult contemporary." So, your argument there seems to fall short. And for the record, Statler and Waldorf were from the Muppet Show, which ran new episodes until 1981, then proceeded into syndication after that. Perhaps, you're too young to have seen the show when it initially aired. However, I find it hard to believe you're so far removed from contemporary pop culture not to know what the Muppet Show is/was. So, I'll just chalk the "old" comment up as your failed attempt to insult me. Nice try though.
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Post by mynick7 on Sept 3, 2015 12:46:12 GMT -5
I'm going to make this last post then drop it.
Imagine you spending 2+ years on a project. You put your heart into it. You love the completed project. Music, writing something, whatever. You created this from scratch. Now you know not all people are going to like it; that's simply common sense and human nature.
Now. Imagine your feelings when someone tells you that your labor of love was crap or shit. How would you feel? If you are human, yes, it will hurt on some level.
Just think about something in your life before totally trashing someone else's creation. Think about how you'd feel. Then put your negative thoughts in better words.
Thank you and I'm now bowing out of these arguments....
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Post by stopdead on Sept 3, 2015 13:07:16 GMT -5
As someone who saw AYNIN as a crowning achievement, I was only setting myself up for disappointment and that's on me. I'll admit that after hearing the first five tracks I was indeed let down. The only one of the bunch that I loved was the title track. But since then I've heard the whole album and immediately loved three additional songs (FFT, OID, TUA). So now I've got four tracks that I can say are f**king awesome and that's enough for me. I'll listen to those four songs a thousand times. Of course I'd like to think that of the remaining six (!) bonus tracks I'll find one or two more that I really enjoy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 13:09:29 GMT -5
That's your answer is it? Telling people here to f___ off if they don't like your opinion! You're way out of line mate! I'll defend this album because I love it. So many f-ing hypocrites coming out of the woodwork now. Why are you even here on this forum? I don't listen to muppets who say 'f___ you' when they feel the pressure. Calm down, grow some and discuss!! Did you actually read my post or did you just see the phrase "f___ you" and decide that I was telling people who I disagree with to f___ off? How about I quote myself directly to help you out? a big f___king YES to this album being a disappointment and a big f___ you to anyone who thinks that signifies close-mindedness to innovation and incorporating modern sounds and influences. Not liking crappy drivel that happens to be popular with many young people does not signify having an old timers mentality. Do you see what I said? I was telling people who want to insult others by calling them old because they don't agree with their overinflated and misplaced notions of this album's quality, that it is NOT ACCEPTABLE to insult others over their opinions. Have I called anyone any names for liking this stinking turd of a duran duran album? Yet I have been called a stuck in the mud "get off my lawn" old person for having a different opinion. I, like you I assume, don't like to be called names or have my abilities to be reasonable questioned over having a divergent opinion. I would council you to read other people's posts more closely before slandering their name and attributing all sorts of behaviours to them that are not deserved. It's true that I do not value yours and a few others opinions on this album, but I wouldn't think to insult you personally unless you attacked me or started a barrage of name calling. Whether l0st1t2b0st1k realizes it or not (I suspect he does not), he was engaging in blatant name calling by stating that the people who dislike this album sound like old people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 14:14:15 GMT -5
Are you stupid? Do you not understand that there are literally hundreds of thousands of people under 25 who consider Top 40 music to be lame nonsense?!?!?! I certainly did when I was 10, 13, 18, 23.... When I was a kid, it was my parents who were buying all the Top 40 singles and albums while I was hunting for original and less known artists that were more edgy and in tune with what I was experiencing. Top 40 ALWAYS felt like the domain of the older people who wanted something safer. I have no idea what world you are living in where Top 40 equates to youth and forward thinking. I also have no idea who or what Statler or Waldorf is. Perhaps one has to be old to understand that reference. My, my, my, we have a temper, don't we, diatribein? For the record, you were the one who initially threw expletives about in an attempt to belittle anyone who disagreed with your opinion. I thought that by joining this messageboard, we would all be mature enough here to have healthy deRhodes and discussions about a band we all obviously love and not to resort to childish name-calling. Apparently, I was wrong. As for your comment that you were somehow always underground, listening to alternative before that label even existed, how did you ever come to like Duran Duran then? I'm not sure which era you grew up in but, in the '80s, Duran Duran were Top 40 and, towards the latter half of the decade, so were many of the "alternative" bands you seem to adore (The Cure's "Pictures Of You," Siouxsie's "Kiss Them For Me," etc.). Now, alternative has been institutionalized and is really no longer "alternative." As for your comment that Top 40 is somehow not youth-oriented, I must disagree. Even back in the '80s there existed "adult contemporary." So, your argument there seems to fall short. And for the record, Statler and Waldorf were from the Muppet Show, which ran new episodes until 1981, then proceeded into syndication after that. Perhaps, you're too young to have seen the show when it initially aired. However, I find it hard to believe you're so far removed from contemporary pop culture not to know what the Muppet Show is/was. So, I'll just chalk the "old" comment up as your failed attempt to insult me. Nice try though. Going into at what age I discovered each duran duran album, how I discovered them, and what they meant to me at the time versus what they mean now is fodder for a much longer post so I will leave that until a later date and give it a thread of its own. For the record you are MUCH closer to my parent's age, who are in their very early 60s, to mine and maybe that speaks to how you view TOP 40. I have no idea. I can only speak to my experience. I seem to adore Siouxsie & The Banshees and The Cure? What exactly are you getting this from? Certainly not from THIS THREAD where I listed exactly 0 albums by those groups. For the record I have 0 records by Siouxsie & The Banshees and 4 CDs (out of how many albums?!?!) by The Cure. I did see them live once and I thought it was fun, but they are not exactly my cup of tea. The bigger question here is are you so myopic as to think that because someone says they like alternative music they like these two bands? I realize that there is a genre of music now that is called "alternative", but I was mainly referring to the traditional meaning which refers to music that is outside of the mainstream. In the same way that there now is a genre called "alternative", there is also now a genre that is called Top 40. The guest stars duran duran has employed on this album for the most part reside there. Clearly John Frusciante does not belong in that category, but I have other issues with his inclusion in the project. By the way which box would you like to put the Red Hot Chili Peppers in? Alternative? Metal? Indie? Funk Rock? Punk? What a mess when we start to try to box music into these ridiculous categories, no? Anyway, I got sidetracked... Appearance on the charts and specifically the TOP 40 does not make an artist a TOP 40 artist. Even multiple appearances, such as duran duran has. Honestly, Iron Maiden had a #1 UK Single on January 5th of 1991 and plenty of charting singles before and after. We are not going to call them TOP 40 now are we? I listed two acts is my previous post that are good examples of TOP 40 acts from the late 80s (Whitney Houston and Rick Astley). These are acts who specifically recorded music that was meant to chart on the TOP 40. They went to the extent of hiring producers with a proven TOP 40 track record to achieve a style and sound that was popular at the time. Sound familiar? Shall I go a little more contemporary for you? Today artists like Katy Perry and Selena Gomez perform popular TOP 40 music. It is music that is dogged by outside songwriters and hip producers used to create a slick electronic sound. Duran duran are not and never were one of these types of acts. Their monumental chart success in the 80s and early 90s came about because they had written albums that connected with millions of people and had strong and well thought out promotion from their management team and a healthy EMI. The music was good despite it being on the Top 40, not because of it. Fashion and the Top 40's whims comes and goes, but integrity and making good music is a stable constant, or at least should be and was for duran duran. I feel that this has largely been completely abandon on the new album. It saddens me greatly. I have more to say on this topic, but I have a lot to do today, so I am going to cut it off here. I hope my response doesn't elicit more insults from the Paper Gods lovers and apologists. Also, for the record (I'm addressing something someone else said here) I do NOT think duran duran were ever forced into using these or any other collaborators and guest stars now or in the past. I fully understand that they did this of their own volition, even if the label had suggested some names in the past. That does not change the fact that I think the use of these guest stars is a monumental mistake and is absolutely destroying the integrity of a band I have loved for many years. And I say this comfortable in the knowledge that I really like Falling Down from Red Carpet Massacre. Anyway... please don't make personal insults. I insulted no one on this board and expect the same from its members.
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Post by resonantfire on Sept 3, 2015 14:19:10 GMT -5
I think the DD community is going to shit right now D:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 14:54:38 GMT -5
Sorry,but actully what a stupid question?...before the official release..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 14:55:36 GMT -5
Sorry,but actully what a stupid question?...before the official release.. And the answer is NOT AT ALL!!
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Post by coolbarn on Sept 3, 2015 15:12:54 GMT -5
Thankfully the opinions in this thread have not changed my opinion of the songs we have heard one iota I have enjoyed the spirited debate as well, although as adults I think we can do better than resort to name calling and personal insults. But keep going, I have filled the man-cave up with popcorn so won't have to leave it for the next month. By then I'll be busting to go to the toilet, but you gotta do what you gotta do
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