Brexit

[prncspeach]

Thoughts?😬

[Max Zorin]

Great Britain today...

[Deleted]

Sad news.

[La Princess]

Most of those I know are happy this is happening. People in England are tired of supporting everyone else (that's what my cousins say). I know they really have to deal with the immigration problems as does all of Europe.

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Right wing ideals don't impress me.

As a Portuguese citizen who's first language is English, I could have gotten work in the UK prior to today, but my own selfish reasons are not important. What is important is that the EU actively works to give a voice to minorities in it's member states and provides real support for the marginalized and disenfranchised. The EU also helps keep environmental policy strong and unified throughout the member states. It is no surprise that Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU. I wouldn't be shocked if we see a succession vote in Scotland soon. For all of its problematic bloated bureaucracy, the EU still does way more good for its members, including the rich ones that pay in more than they receive in payments.

[La Princess]

Jun 24, 2016 23:10:59 GMT -5 @diatribein said:

Right wing ideals don't impress me.

As a Portuguese citizen who's first language is English, I could have gotten work in the UK prior to today, but my own selfish reasons are not important. What is important is that the EU actively works to give a voice to minorities in it's member states and provides real support for the marginalized and disenfranchised. The EU also helps keep environmental policy strong and unified throughout the member states. It is no surprise that Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU. I wouldn't be shocked if we see a succession vote in Scotland soon. For all of its problematic bloated bureaucracy, the EU still does way more good for its members, including the rich ones that pay in more than they receive in payments.

If you mean the minorities in terms of natives of a country then I would agree. Too often minorities are not given the same opportunities. If you mean like those coming from third world countries (the Muslim refugees mostly)I would disagree. They are ruining the countries and trying to install their barbaric views (and no, I don't think all Muslim refugees are barbaric but many are). I do think many of the stories are false though. In general I support a country ruling itself, not having other rule them. Now things like jobs for Europeans to me is a bit different, but I feel jobs should go to those who are citizens of that country first. The media keeps talking the welfare but I believe most European countries have welfare so that seems odd. I should add my relatives are upper class so that makes a difference.

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As an Italian, I think a country like the UK had very little to do with the European Union, which is a very hypocritical way to give a new name to what it always was: European Economic Community.
It's not a union: not all member countries have chosen the Euro as a currency, we don't have a real common foreign policy, we don't have a common army. That's enough to not call it union.
In the last years, many countries have got permission to enter the EU even if in my opinion they didn't fulfil the economic requirements. For instance, what countries like Romania or Bulgaria have in common with Germany or France, I don't know.
About immigration, it is left to the unfortunate countries like mine, Greece, Spain, etc. to deal with it. Living in a boot shaped country surrounded by the sea makes it difficult to "seal the borders" like Hungarians or Austrians wanted or managed to do.
Fortunately, immigrants are smart enough to decide there are better places than Italy, and head to Germany, Sweden, etc., so in the end the problem is shared somehow.
In Italy we still are lucky enough that when anybody enters an A&E, they are treated free of charge. If it's not an emergency, you pay a fee of about 40 euro, but nobody is asked for a credit card in the first place.
If the exit of the UK will eventually be ratified, then we might see other countries leave, and I wouldn't mind if the EU ceased to exist. I don't see many advantages rather than disadvantages.
Only 'underdeveloped' countries like Italy may have the interest to remain. In the end we now have a currency, the Euro, which is somehow more respected than the old Lira.
But it's a very complicated question, and I'm certainly not the most informed person, but I would be careful when reading the headlines. Misinformation is always there, financial speculation as well and nobody know what's gonna happen tomorrow (half pun intended).

[La Princess]

I just finished reading about Boris Johnson. Ugh what a piece of work. Racist, xenophobic, lazy and better than thou attitude. I'm just going to say we don't need more politicians like him.

[razorfox]

Haven't been about for a while but spotted this and thought I'd weigh in as it semi interests me.

I voted Leave, proud to do so and amazed we won against the establishments line of thinking.

Straight to the point, immigration. Key issue for years and it probably had its climax with this vote. Regardless of your view whether great for the economy or not the UK in the future would not have been able to sustain the hundred of thousands of EU citizens flocking here to work or not every year under EU free movement rules. The NHS, jobs, housing etc and especially schools would be overwhelmed if this carried on. The infrastructure would eventually crumble (drastic word I know).

Personally that's only one issue. I had more of a bug bear in how undemocratic the whole EU is. First off we never asked to be governed by the eu, our own politians over the years just eroded our sovereignty little by little without question. The first vote back in 78 ish was not a vote on how the EU is today.

The electorate can not vote for anyone within the eu, it is full of failed politians who answer to no one. They have this federalist plan and regardless what we think will plow on ahead.

Our government was unable to invest in our own steel due to competition rules by the eu. Italy wants to bail out its own banks but are not being allowed to do so by some similar rule (Google that for clarity). The UK invests more in flood defences in other countries thru the eu rather than sorting out our own poor West counties!! Their strangle hold on our fishing is another pet hate as well as when they attempted to tell us that we had to let prisoners vote as it was against their rights.

At the end of the day we should never have had a referendum. The EU failed itself here. It was well aware of the grumblings and eurosceptic view within the UK and rather than being democratic and actually getting the UK a deal worthy of remaining it ignorantly thought we'd never leave and gave us little not a lot like cameron span it.

I can not fathom why any country would sign up and pay membership for something to have more power over your own countries courts.

People argue trade, I'm on the belief this is irrelevant to the subject (apart from access to the single market). Rather than having the eu sort our trade deals out we'd be free to do it ourselves and why the hell not. Apparently in our exit if we want access to the single market we have to accept free movement due to its the principals of the eu. Great democratic negotiating there!

And as for Scotland, well I suppose they can have a slight bit of sympathy but they had they're chance for independence from the UK the other year and voted to stay. The UK voted to leave so lump it. Unfortunately they want the best of both worlds as they are fully aware if they become independent and then join the EU they'd have to sign up to the euro currency something they don't want. Not only that the amount of votes the leave eu gained in Scotland was ironically more than what the SNP achieved in the first past post vote.

Would America like to join a union of countries involving Canada and Mexico that would implement freedom of movement of people within those countries? Highly doubt it and then your president has the cheek to tell us to stay. Of course we are your voice in the eu that's why you wanted us to stay.

Anyway if it wasn't us it would have been someone else eventually. Eurosceptism has been on thevrise for a while and rightly so.

Could bang on for hours......


Don't worry I won't.

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Jul 6, 2016 17:49:17 GMT -5 razorfox said:

Would America like to join a union of countries involving Canada and Mexico that would implement freedom of movement of people within those countries? Highly doubt it and then your president has the cheek to tell us to stay. Of course we are your voice in the eu that's why you wanted us to stay.

I would DEFINITELY vote for a Mexico/USA/Canada EU style agreement and government where the USA only has 1/3 of the power and decision making abilities! At the very least it would force the US to be more liberal, get in line with the rest of the world in terms of nationalized health care, have actual gun laws in place, AND make the freedom of movement not be as terrible as it currently is for citizens of the 3 nations. I recently immigrated from Canada to the US and it was hell.

Sign me up for this RIGHT NOW!!!