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Post by math on Aug 22, 2017 7:30:04 GMT -5
Such a good song and a ready made video. The band could have released much more singles during the 80s heyday, im suprised they did not just sticking to the 3 off each album. Why?? If you look at other big acts who caught the crest of the wave of success many released more on each LP. ( George Ms faith, Paula Abdul etc)
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Post by humanracer on Aug 22, 2017 20:00:15 GMT -5
Such a good song and a ready made video. The band could have released much more singles during the 80s heyday, im suprised they did not just sticking to the 3 off each album. Why?? If you look at other big acts who caught the crest of the wave of success many released more on each LP. ( George Ms faith, Paula Abdul etc) Any more than 4 is just milking it.
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Post by aftertherain on Aug 23, 2017 4:22:58 GMT -5
Such a good song and a ready made video. The band could have released much more singles during the 80s heyday, im suprised they did not just sticking to the 3 off each album. Why?? If you look at other big acts who caught the crest of the wave of success many released more on each LP. ( George Ms faith, Paula Abdul etc) Any more than 4 is just milking it. Nothing wrong with milking it I guess, especially when one is chasing success in the manner which DD were at the time After all another 1982 release was Micheal Jackson Thriller LP If my memory serves me correctly MJ released 7 singles from his Thriller LP and how many copies of that LP did he sell? Trust me he didn't sell that many copies following his first three singles from that LP but sold even more so after his fourth single was released from that LP and its associated video. Speaking of associations or Umm ripping other artists off, I'll once again share something which I have shared some time ago when I first joined this board and that is I can't help think that MJ ripped off NightBoat to an extent, well its film clip essence. Remeber the the zombies breaking into the house? Well our DD did it first people !!! Fact.......Thriller the single and its video was released in 84 & DD filmed NightBoat in 82 !
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Post by josefk on Aug 23, 2017 12:21:59 GMT -5
I always wondered why they didn’t release more singles from Rio and 7&TRT. I had to look up the release dates of the albums and singles to refresh my memory. I can understand why Rio was the last single in the US because the record label wanted to capitalize on the band’s chart success to reissue the debut album. Plus there was a new song to promote, ITSISK.
In the case of 7&TRT, they had just had their biggest worldwide hit single, The Reflex, which peaked in the US in June of 1984. It would be another five months before the release of Arena and Wild Boys, more than enough time for another release from 7&TRT. Any song from the album would have cracked the top twenty riding on the coattails of The Reflex, but I would have chosen Shadows on your Side. If that had been a hit, they could have postponed the release of Arena, and issued one last single, maybe an edited version of The Seventh Stranger. Can you imagine today having those two songs actively on the set lists?
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Post by More Play Time on Aug 23, 2017 13:56:16 GMT -5
Well our DD did it first people !!! Fact.......Thriller the single and its video was released in 84 & DD filmed NightBoat in 82 ! Duran Duran actually invented everything in the modern world, including modern chic with their suits and hairstyles. There wasnt much of a popstar 'look' before DD, and then suddenly football players and princesses HAD to have the same look to be slick and fashionable. On a less jokey note, the Thriller video was influenced by Dawn of the Dead, and also An American Werewolf in London. They contacted Rick Baker to do the makeup like they had seen in Werewolf, only with zombies like in Dawn of the Dead. They wanted the flesh to flap around and wobble like a famous scene in Werewolf, where half of a guys face is hanging off. I have no idea where DD got their influences, but there were tons of zombie movies in the 1970s and perhaps they also used Dawn of the Dead? Perhaps a question for Ask Katty?
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Post by madoldlu on Aug 23, 2017 14:48:35 GMT -5
Really? No one is familiar with George Romero's 1968 classic Night of the Living Dead? The original zombie movie? Where zombies break in and overtake the house where the heroes are holed up in the end?!?
How apt that we diverted to talking about zombies in the "Lonely in your NIGHTMARE" thread!
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Post by zealous on Aug 23, 2017 16:27:59 GMT -5
Other than the fact that they both have zombie like creatures I've never connected Night Boat and Thriller that way. Thriller always reminded me of Romaro's NOTLD, although now that More Play Time mentions the Dawn of the Dead and American Werewolf creatures it reminds me of those too. The creatures themselves are more like the latter films but some of the motifs are stylistically like NOTLD. Regardless, I have no idea what influenced Night Boat but I wouldn't be surprised if I've seen it on Mystery Science Theater 3000 lol.
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Post by More Play Time on Aug 24, 2017 8:52:34 GMT -5
Oops, there I go again relying on my memories. I just checked the internet for some evidence, and it turns out Thriller was based on Night of the Living Dead (1968), with shades of Phantom of the Opera. The video was directed by John Landis, and the rest of what I said is true.
Yes, maybe the zombies are saying "You're so lonely in your nightmare, let me in!" - creepy!
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Post by errbt on Aug 25, 2017 0:09:03 GMT -5
LIYN is definitely one of my favorites. I love the longer version from the US Kershenbaum release. There’s something very unique about the song—it’s a ballad, but the drum rhythm is very fast paced with strong percussions. It’s got a lovely guitar riff as well, and John’s use of the fretless bass. There’s just no beating those early DD songs where all the instruments’ roles are so well balanced. Each member has a strong presence and is important to how the song plays out. I absolutely LOVE in the outtro a bit where Roger does 3 repeated flourishes as Simon sings “…and you’re lonely in your nightmare let me in…” Roger’s drumming through that whole outtro is simply fantastic! Love, love, love both that version of the song and your description of it, right down to the drum fills over the final choruses of the song, to which I've been drumming on the steering wheel of my car for over 30 years! Check out my own summary of the Kershenbaum Remix from my own "liner notes" that I put together a few years ago for a 3 CD set of "everything" from RIO, as it has some nice parallels to your great summary: 3. Lonely in Your Nightmare (US Album Remix/Kershenbaum Remix) This might seem like an “extended version,” but it really is simply a restoration (and sonic augmentation) of an original that was, like Hold Back the Rain, brutally cut up in the effort to make it fit the perceived limits of attention (or maybe more than that, the then very real limits of vinyl fidelity). In any event, the original album edit mix, under 4 minutes long, is sonically unremarkable (the band evidently agreed, as along with Hold Back the Rain, it was the only one they changed when the CD master was done in the late ‘80s, giving the song a bit more punch). While the CD remix was a definite improvement, the Kershenbaum version is spellbinding, as John’s fretless Bass and Roger’s thunderous drumming and high hat work carry the song to its properly restored heights.An extra note I should have added in those old liner notes is that there also exists a full length version of the original mix before it was edited down for the worldwide (and North American first edition) vinyl/cassette release and later, of course, remixed by Kershenbaum: The video version! That one is cool because it's not hacked up, but IMO it still lacks the energy of the Kershenbaum Remix. Of course the great thing is they're both around for comparison and enjoyment!
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Post by madoldlu on Aug 25, 2017 8:35:43 GMT -5
I had totally forgotten that the video was yet another version! I promptly went to youtube to listen to it again. Thanks for reminding me!
I completely agree with you assessment. Great because it's not cut up, but lacks the punch the LP Kershenbaum version has.
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