Falcons star pleads not guilty to dogfighting char

[Carina]

joeystylez said:

Well, I guess Michael Vick doesn't need a trial. Apparantly everyone here has ironclad proof that Vick is guilty. Oh wait, that's not true, so how about we do what the Constitution tells us to do and consider this man INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

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Let him have his day in court, let the evidence be shown. Chances are if he really DID do these things, he's gonna get convicted. This isn't the L.A. justice system, where they can't seem to convict anybody (Rodney King cops, O.J.).

You just contradicted yourself. Without saying what I feel about the two cases you cited (RK cops and OJ), they had their day in court and were ACQUITTED. So, Vick is 'innocent until proven guilty' by your statements (and how dare we 'prosecute him on a freakin' message board), but other people are 'guilty regardless of acquittal'?

oooookay.

ETA: So just come out and say it, rather than attempt to use (contradictory) logic: You are a Vick supporter.

[Dani]

Even if he isn't convicted, at the very least he bears some responsibility for what went on on his property. In that respect, any involvement in something like this will reflect negatively on him, likely for the rest of his life. An acquittal won't change that.

True...


Look...It doesn't matter WHO it is, it is still WRONG. And bring the "black man conviction" into it fooking idiotic.

[joeystylez]

carina said:

joeystylez said:

Well, I guess Michael Vick doesn't need a trial. Apparantly everyone here has ironclad proof that Vick is guilty. Oh wait, that's not true, so how about we do what the Constitution tells us to do and consider this man INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

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Let him have his day in court, let the evidence be shown. Chances are if he really DID do these things, he's gonna get convicted. This isn't the L.A. justice system, where they can't seem to convict anybody (Rodney King cops, O.J.).

You just contradicted yourself. Without saying what I feel about the two cases you cited (RK cops and OJ), they had their day in court and were ACQUITTED. So, Vick is 'innocent until proven guilty' by your statements (and how dare we 'prosecute him on a freakin' message board), but other people are 'guilty regardless of acquittal'?

oooookay.

ETA: So just come out and say it, rather than attempt to use (contradictory) logic: You are a Vick supporter.

I am a INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY supporter. I dislike the mob mentality in any form. It's a terrible human trait and must be held back at every opportunity.

Now, to explain the diffrence between the RK/OJ cases and the Vick case. There was direct video footage of the cops beating the hell out of Rodney King, evidence we all saw with our own eyes that PROVED a crime took place. But they got off becasue the prosecuters assumed the out-of-touch with reality pool of jurors from Simi Valley would vote like ordinary human beings instead of the racist cowards they really were. Basic rule of prosecution: ASSUME NOTHING. As for OJ, there were multiple items of credible evidence shown at his trial, but once again racial cowardice reared it's ugly head, as the black jurors decided NOW would be a good time to payback America for all the innocent black men sent to jail in the past. They wanted to make a statement and they made it by setting OJ free.

The Vick case is different in that we have seen NO evidence thus far...no bloody gloves, no video footage, nothing...for us to make a clear judgement. Is it too much to ask to wait until we all see that before we decide to throw the guy in jail? Let's all be better Americans than that. The Constitution says a person is innocent until proven guilty...how about we all follow what it says?

As for the so-called 95% conviction rate of the federal government...Vince McMahon and Willy Falcon both think that's real funny.

[bedhead]

Did you catch my post... I doubt McMahon is laughing about anything right now.

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danigirl said:

we haven't seen any evidence

I guess the dead dogs and fight equipment in his yard wasn't enough evidence.


Look, I understand where you are coming from..but It's like being caught with your hands in the cookie jar, this one.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean, come on, how much more evidence do you need???

I also don't buy that bullshit that he doesn't stay in that house and has no idea what has been going on there. So does that mean he doesn't ever associate with his cousin (who he said is living in the house) or any of the many people who come and go out of the house?? PLEASE!!!! That's his property, he's just as guilty as the people who were fighting the dogs!!!


"The indictment says the fights offered purses as high as $26,000, and that Vick once paid $23,000 to the owner of two pit bulls that had beaten Bad Newz Kennels dogs."

And as far as him being able to play ball unless he's found guilty so "he can earn a living during a trial"........obviously he has enough money to get by for a while since he has houses he claims he doesn't even live in and "rarely visits". He can use some of his earnings from the dog fighting purses!!

[Carina]

There was no evidence? He had more than 50 pitbulls confiscated at his property and equipment most usually used in dog-fighting are the smoking guns.

Who, in their right mind, owns over 50 pitbulls unless they are used for 1) breeding or 2) for dog-fighting? His only defense, at this time, if one of ignorance of a dog-fighting ring (which is hardly believable), NOT "I was breeding them for sale or show."

Let's say (for sake of argument) that all those dogs, although some had injuries, were legitimately owned for breeding. I would think a statement to the effect of bookkeeping which shows vet bills and bills of sale for dogs would have been issued.

Let's say (for sake of argument) that the building of the areas used to house and train the dogs was done through an accountant by the residents of the home. What accountant would just approve the payment of those bills without contacting the owner of the home and the account?

Puh-leeze.