New single called Invisible on May
Apr 24, 2021 20:25:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 20:25:30 GMT -5
Apr 24, 2021 2:36:17 GMT -5 @fouronthefloor said:
I’m not quoting anybody on here. I can’t be arsed to select text on my IPhone and besides which I need to get to the gym! Lol.At the end of the day we have a choice. I personally don’t get the ‘Play Misty for Me’ style of comments / posts from some fans. I stay away from DD groups purely because of censorship and beeaatchiness. It’s also not good for my blood pressure when I read about a declaration of love on a DD ‘Official’ post that is discussing the merits of something serious like, hmm, an album producer or the art direction of a video.
Tony is not trying to be a gate keeper. I get where he is coming from. I would rather read intelligently put together posts, even though I may not necessarily agree with him, than read some of the BS on FB groups that made me decide to switch them off. Not good for ‘mental health’. 😉
Perhaps we need to allow the thread to get back on track?
To be fair, i had originally used a couple of other people's posts as the basis for commenting - & Coolbarn decided to challenge my viewpoint... ...so it's not that i directly started the dialogue with him over any of this.
But, to look at your comment John, 'if' a broader problem, as you relate it, is that "I stay away from DD groups purely because of censorship and beeaatchiness"...
...then i can't see why you'd argue that Coolbarn's dismissive & derogatory language about people who express their 'Duraniness' in a way that doesn't work for him, isn't attempting to do exactly the same?
Well, it's common knowledge that this side of the forum can be off-putting for people at times because there are some strong personalities on here...
(& it's part of the reason why i have increasingly tended to avoid most of the threads on this side of the board since i'm not convinced that it's particularly useful to regularly add another strong opinion - however i was keeping a weather eye on this thread in case there was any actual additional news)
...but he literally wrote that -
"The problem I have with those sorts of crazed fans is that they post on forums like this one. If they did only keep to themselves, get up in the morning, take off their Duran Duran pyjamas and change their Duran Duran bedsheets, wipe their arse with the Duran Duran toilet paper, get on to Twitter and declare their undying love for John Taylor whilst kissing the screen with tears in their eyes, then I have no problem with that."
- which i really cannot see as being anything other than a desire to gatekeep in order to preserve his ideal of forum purity...
...&, moreover, since you have an outspoken member posting that kind of view, this will increase the likelihood of putting others off from posting - which is, in practical terms, a form of coercive censorship...
...since many people will self-censor rather than face dealing with the kind of responses that are likely.
Which, i believe, is significantly the point you're making about "censorship and beeaatchiness" - just applied to other people than yourself John.
(obviously i am aware that you've had some issues on here - but i don't think that anyone could reasonably believe that it's because you're easily cowed by strong opinions)
Completely separately to that, he's written that he's a MH (mental heath) support worker - but then has chose to use "delusional" as a dismissive put down for a certain type of fan expression he doesn't like...
...where, unless he's working for a really tupenny-ha'penny organisation that don't bother about updating the training, he reasonably 'should' be aware of both the long term national strategies...
(whilst the Conservative government have repeatedly failed to put money where their mouths are with MH & social care - see, for example the "No Health Without Mental Health" or "Closing the gap: Essential priorities for mental health" from the coalition days; which are still largely current reflections of overall national policy & explicitly relate the need to reduce MH stigma)
...& (typically) combined local authority & CCG (NHS Clinical Commissioning Group) or combined local authority & NHS Trust usually have explicit policies about actively reducing MH stigma in line with it.
instead, however, he's choosing to ignore all of this away from his job by using psychiatric terms as put downs or as comebacks or whatever...
...where it's not the first time that i've been aware of where he's either misused MH terms or questioned other people's MH with no clinical basis - where, at least on face value (since he's not mentioned being an ex-MH clinical professional to my knowledge), as a MH support worker then he's simply not qualified to make any diagnosis.
[NB possibly 'an' issue here is that clearly not everyone will be informed as to what a MH support worker actually is in the UK - since it 'could' mean all manner of things & 'might' lead people to wrongly believe that he has had specific clinical &/or diagnostic training...
...but, unless someone happened to previously have a highly trained position elsewhere - so there's certainly the odd social worker who was burning out, people who flip between working at clinical therapists & support work as the funding comes & goes, etc...
...for most roles there are no medical or care related qualifications required at all; though particularly experience helps with applying for the better paying positions.]
Now that's certainly not to suggest that support workers don't do a *really* valuable job, & so i am in no way being dismissive of the care & effort that Coolbarn or anyone else who takes up the role hopefully provides to their clients...
(& i also have no qualms whatsoever in acknowledging that, in order to ensure that i reliably actually leave the house & keep life sustainable week on week - i have a couple of support worker sessions myself a week... ...which have obviously been particularly important over the last year or so due to the lockdown restrictions effectively eliminating any in person contact with friends or family for months on end)
...but there are basic standards that are reasonably supposed to be adhered to in terms of MH stigma AND limitations to the role & level of training that i am don't believe are being applied.
More broadly however, i am also somewhat disappointed that more people on here don't seem to have a problem with the type of language being used.
Well, to give an example, i can't recall who it was now (& it really doesn't matter), but back around the time when PG was released someone commented about Jonas Bjerre "sounding gay" - & enough of us leapt on that comment as being wholly inappropriate & they apologised for it...
...but apparently we're (mostly) happy letting someone who's actually supposed to be actively informed & concerned with reducing stigma around MH (& is explicitly stating that they're a MH worker within a thread when doing so), misusing terms in this way.