trevgreg
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Post by trevgreg on Feb 14, 2014 9:32:22 GMT -5
I don't think that comparison is a good one. Clearly, the best songs of that bunch were produced by Ronson and make up the core of AYIN. The other tracks are extra tracks. If Ronson had chosen to produce the other tracks they would not have become better songs. I don't think Cool Barn was saying that Ronson would have made those tracks better, necessarily. I think he was just saying that the songs written without a significant producer at hand weren't up to the standards of the ones Ronson did. Therefore, that would either show that the songs written in the band's own time don't stand up, or that a producer should have been at hand to tell them it's not working and that they should scrap it or try something new. It's likely that the band did come up with more than 17 pieces of music during this time too.
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Post by nando469 on Feb 14, 2014 10:27:23 GMT -5
I didn´t like to know that Ronson isn´t workinng with the band. Look at the albums duran duran produced by themselfs (Medazzaland, PopTrash), the result wasn´t that good. If they can´t work with Ronson why not try another producer similar to Mark Ronson, like : Stuart Price, Stephen Duffy or even Nile Rodgers? This guys produced fantastistc records with Madonna, Robbie Williams ,Daft Punk, etc... It´s just an ideia.
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Post by aglewis723 on Feb 14, 2014 12:43:03 GMT -5
I didn´t like to know that Ronson isn´t workinng with the band. Look at the albums duran duran produced by themselfs (Medazzaland, PopTrash), the result wasn´t that good. If they can´t work with Ronson why not try another producer similar to Mark Ronson, like : Stuart Price, Stephen Duffy or even Nile Rodgers? This guys produced fantastistc records with Madonna, Robbie Williams ,Daft Punk, etc... It´s just an ideia. ARE YOU KIDDING? Medazzaland and Pop Trash are 2 of their BEST albums! Maybe you just want them to sound like 1980s again. Warren was a pure virtuoso. Trust me, the next album aint sounding like Medazzaland or Pop Trash... the band doesnt have the songwriting skills and no one can play the guitar like Warren can.
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Post by snr79 on Feb 14, 2014 12:45:12 GMT -5
Wasn't the Wedding Album produced by the band? If so that's a pretty solid piece of work with some of the best songs they have ever written on it. I think there's loads to be optimistic about when it comes this album, their seasoned pro's and amazing at what they do for a living. And remember John wasn't around for Medazzaland and PT so they don't count! ; )
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Post by coolbarn on Feb 14, 2014 13:04:01 GMT -5
I don't think Cool Barn was saying that Ronson would have made those tracks better, necessarily. I think he was just saying that the songs written without a significant producer at hand weren't up to the standards of the ones Ronson did. Therefore, that would either show that the songs written in the band's own time don't stand up, or that a producer should have been at hand to tell them it's not working and that they should scrap it or try something new. It's likely that the band did come up with more than 17 pieces of music during this time too. Exactly Trev. Most of the material on AYNIN made with Ronson's involvement was fantastic. Most of the material made without Ronson's involvement was craptacular - not even the lovechild of George Martin and Quincy Jones could have helped out those awful tracks. Quite simply when Duran were left to their own devices they completely dropped the ball, and made music that was so bad compared to the golden goodness of AYNIN it was almost impossible to tell it was the same band involved. I don't think that was just a coincidence. Mark Ronson not only got the best sound and writing from Duran Duran, but he also knew what worked and what didn't. Without his production the band wrote crap like Early Summer Nerves, Too Close To The Sun, and This Lost Weekend, but with his production they wrote magic like Being Followed, Girl Panic, and The Man Who Stole A Leopard. So spot on Trev, you summed up PERFECTLY what I meant. And you did it without writing a novel about it which I probably would have done. And yours was more coherent and easier to read. Actually do me a favour please Trev - STOP writing things for me. You're making me look bad
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Post by coolbarn on Feb 14, 2014 13:50:12 GMT -5
Wasn't the Wedding Album produced by the band? If so that's a pretty solid piece of work with some of the best songs they have ever written on it. Yes, but two amazing tracks and a few solid songs does not an album make. Had Duran released Ordinary World, Come Undone, Too Much Information, and Breath After Breath as an EP then yes I would be excited that Duran Duran could produce such a great piece of work. However when you add in crap like Shotgun, To Whom It May Concern, Drowning Man, and Love Voodoo into the mix, with the rest being only average by comparison, you realise that The Wedding Album was extremely inconsistent and flawed as a result. I mean the guys left off classic sounding Duran Duran songs like Falling Angel, Matter Of Fact, Stop Dead, and Time For Temptation off the album. A good producer, or in fact any human being with functioning ears, would have said "Listen guys, it might just be me, but Shotgun sounds like shit that has been run over twice, while Falling Angel is catchy with a compelling bassline and an ending so cool I just want to play it over and over". However because the band are too close to the songs they can often struggle to differentiate the good from the bad. I haven't read John Taylor's book yet (not trying to be a bad Durannie - I just haven't had the spare cash) but have been reliably informed that in it he said that Shotgun came about because John Jones made a comment about JT and Amanda having a "shotgun wedding", and it was John's way of saying "and proud of it". So because a member of the band wanted to give a big "f___ you" to someone they included a crappy song at the expense of a good song as a result??? A good producer won't allow this. A good producer has the guts to say "I don't care about the reasons for writing the song - Shotgun blows 17 types of goats and you should include Falling Angel instead". A good producer has the guts to say "John play your guitar properly with basslines so amazing I can't stop rewinding the track and listening to it again and again" or "Roger stop worrying about which drum effect sounds best and just use the one which sounds like a strong, powerful, real-life kit" or "Nick stop adding layers of additional farts and whistles, I don't care how cool you think they sound, they just end up as a distraction and interfering with the other instruments". Sadly Duran don't always work with good producers, and when they work with no producer, like the additional tracks on AYNIN showed, the results can be extremely underwhelming. I think there's loads to be optimistic about when it comes this album I think there's loads to be optimistic about as well - the band are coming off their best album in 25 years and don't have a record company to answer to. Those two reasons alone are enough to make me look even more forward to DD14 their seasoned pro's and amazing at what they do for a living Yes they are seasoned pros at writing and performing catchy pop/rock music, with some beautiful ballads thrown in the mix as well. That isn't in dispute. However they are NOT seasoned pros when it comes to producing their own music. They have done it occasionally in the past with varied results. Calling them Pros in regards to producing their own work IS in dispute. And remember John wasn't around for Medazzaland and PT so they don't count! ; ) Hey I know you're just joking, but you can't pick and choose albums to suit your argument! (Only I can do that )
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Post by aglewis723 on Feb 14, 2014 15:05:09 GMT -5
Ummm the Wedding Album was not self-produced. John Jones produced it. This thread is funny. no one knows anything.
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Post by Sir rogerlejohn jr. on Feb 14, 2014 15:55:36 GMT -5
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Post by blaahh on Feb 14, 2014 17:07:10 GMT -5
If stuart price comes anywhere near duran, i am leaving... He is so overrated and produces any life out of anything ive ever heard. Vote for Nile.
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Post by nileblogers on Feb 14, 2014 17:42:55 GMT -5
I'm optimistic when I heard the news of a choir. It means Duran are going to sound BIG. Arena, anthem sized big rather than rehashing their 80s sound with lesser songs. Despite how good AYNIN was, there was nothing as strong as HLTW, GOF, SAP, Rio etc.Duran should be big, they let Coldplay steal their audience by trying to be too trendy. With this one Duran are going to be back, back, back!!!
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