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Post by Tin on Jan 15, 2015 10:47:13 GMT -5
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Post by trevgreg on Jan 15, 2015 11:32:10 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see their future interviews for supporting this album to see what they say about the recording process. I don’t necessarily agree with the idea in the blog that they haven’t really shared information in the Katy’s Kafes though. Yes, they never shared more than one song title or any music snippets, but that’s not really out of character for them anyway. But they were upfront about ‘scrapping’ a lot of the material that they recorded in 2013, which I think was a pretty upfront admission their end.
In terms of not having as much ‘emotion’ over things, I’m not really sure what to make of that either. Heck, a lot of fans even criticize the band for having too much positive emotion over songs or music and then attack them when they *gasp* change their minds or look at it in a lesser light later on. (ex. John describing the Timbaland sessions as wrapping the band ‘in chrome’, then calling the circumstances around them a ‘f***ing nightmare’). In any case, I haven’t really anything looking out of the ordinary from them from an emotional standpoint. Nile, and Mark were enthusiastic about the songs they recorded last year, and I doubt that’d be the case if they came across a lethargic band, you know?
With all the different release dates being thrown around… again, that’s nothing out of the ordinary. The first (and only) reunion album was supposed to come out in 2002. Astronaut’s follow-up was supposed to come out in 2006. The sessions for AYNIN were supposed to bring us an EP or single in 2009. This album was supposed to come out in 2013/14/15… this is why ‘duran time’ is a phrase, everyone! I get frustrated by the wait as much as everyone else… but at the same time, I have no reason to think that this time is any different from the other ones.
Someone pointed out in another thread that the wait between Pop Trash and Astronaut was about as long as the wait with this one (which I think, if you count the iTunes version at least, will happen in April of this year). But if you look at it closely, the sessions for Astronaut lasted over three years before they came up with something that they felt was releasable. That’s a long time! And yes, record company politics came into the decisions there as well. But the recording for this particular album hasn’t even surpassed two calendar years yet… and if the rumors are believed, won’t even reach that point. If they did put the work into this one that they felt would satisfy the band and its fans, then I’d rather have that album then a sub-par one that they’re not terribly happy with. But that’s just me.
In terms of not mattering to them or walking beside them, I have yet to see that yet personally. Aside from the fact that we’ll buy any album they release or try to see them on tour (some multiple times on both counts), we’re obviously going to be an income source for them whatever the case. Their livelihoods are largely (but maybe not entirely at this point) dependent on us and our fun and excitement will depend on them. I’m pretty sure they know that. And I'm pretty sure a lot of their personal enjoyment comes from playing for us and all that jazz. That being said, I don’t really measure whether they care or not on the amount of fan interaction they give either. In fact, I’d say that’s pretty high as it is. John doesn’t really need to post on Twitter 20 times a day to get that point across.
At some point, the band will stop recording albums and touring (at least regularly). And if they’re not appearing to be enthusiastic about this project, then maybe it has been a bit of a tumultuous journey onto making something they’re happy with. Who knows? But right now, I’m not really seeing any reason to think that the album will be out in 2016 or later. As for emotions and talking about the album… I’m sure that’ll kick into high gear once the publicity train gets rolling. Either way, I’ll be here to check out what they came up with next…
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Post by nileblogers on Jan 15, 2015 13:06:35 GMT -5
Either way, I’ll be here to check out what they came up with next…[/quote]
But will anyone else be? I will be for one and so will the rest of us board regulars in most cases, but look at the low number of views these posts are getting these days! DD will need a great tune and a big media campaign unless they just want to give in and become a greatest hits touring band playing at a casino and school hall near you!!
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Post by oakey on Jan 15, 2015 15:21:55 GMT -5
Interesting post indeed. The band always had a problem with keeping up the momentum: - after a million selling live album, at the height of their success, they decide to work on side projects - after a successful comeback with a soft rock album, they almost collapse under internal struggles and release a covers album that ended up on many 'worst albums of all time' lists - after a 2nd successful comeback album with the original line-up, they fire their guitarist and produce an album no fan gets excited about (let alone non-fans); they could have waited for the guitarist to get his work visa (at that time they did appear to be in a hurry) - after an album that was well received by fans and critics, they cancel a lot of European dates because of the singer's throat problems, which were not reschedeled (losing a lot of goodwill around here; I did not even get my money back as the promotor went bankrupt because of this), produce a photo book which sells for $1000 and take over 4 years to make a follow-up album to make sure everybody has forgotten they still exist The only reason DD still exists is because they are big in the USA. I mean, wasn't the biggest selling band of last year Bon Jovi? This is a band that we in Europe consider as relevant as Culture Club, cock Robin or Europe (ie., not). But in the States they are huge, as there is a large market for stadium concerts (while in Europe these always have the risk of not selling out and losing a lot of money). Still I'm looking forward to #14 , but I also do not see it happen this year.
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Post by mynick7 on Jan 15, 2015 15:27:30 GMT -5
Well..... I don't pay attention to numbers on the forum, so I can't comment about the fans that are fading. But I do know that this board, as well as a couple of others, are still alive and kicking. Duran Duran and their music are constantly being talked about and opinions are being posted. Yes, some fans are growing tired and frustrated of the wait but is DD really fading away for some, only to be replaced by someone else? I'd be interested in hearing about that as it would be an excellent topic for a paper in one of my classes. If you are a fan of Duran, I believe that you aren't going to just let them go. So I don't put faith in that idea from that blog. I am a comment reader. I always read the comments to an article, blog, etc. Some are decent and point out some good ideas, but most are basically morons that don't take time to think before writing. At the same time, if the author replies, they should take care as well. I'm not going to even go into the Andy thing because that's been talked about to death and beyond its grave (meaning no disrespect to fans of AT). Warren was highly liked as the guitarist for the most part. Right now, Dom is an "unofficial" member and wants it that way as he has his own solo thing going...and good for him!! But think about it. This man had to step in during the RCM tour and fill in when AT had family issues. If we use 2008 as a base start, Dom had 30 years of music to learn! That's crazy! But he did it well and puts that guitar edge in it...along with his personal touch. As for the name dropping, we had a one-time drop of Lindsey Lohan and sister and now not a peep about it. People made that a huge and immediate mountain out something that is a molehill. John Frusciante and that choir were two more examples. We have heard nothing more from the above three since it was "dropped." Mr. Hudson, Nile and Mark and the only three continuous names being used and that seems to be okay with most everyone. No one seemed to b**ch when Kelis and Ana Matronic's names were dropped during the AYNIN recordings. But to me, name dropping is part of the game. It creates a stir, good or bad, and people talk about it. It gets put in magazines. People talk about Duran Duran. It may not make people fans but they are talked about. We just won't know until the album comes out. I became a fan in 1981...and at the same moment, I became a Nick girl. I played piano when I was younger and now that I'm older, I simply goof around on an electronic keyboard when I have time. Nick fascinated me because he played keyboards, he constantly changed his looks, wore make-up and those effing gorgeous green eyes. It's now 2015 and I am still a Nick girl. I still like him for all of the reasons I "fell in love" with him 34 years ago and then some. I respect him because he still wears make-up and dresses with a style that I have yet to see anyone match. I love the grey hair, and I don't care that his hairline is receding and how he styles his hair. He's grown up with Duran, just like all the other members. Growing up means learning and experimenting with your interests and hobbies. Simon does with his boating, reading and lends his voice and writing to other projects outside of Duran. No complaining. No one seems to have anything negative to say about Roger. He's good and solid...but not the best drummer in the world. John has written his autobiography and has been involved with promoting drug/alcohol intervention programs. No complaining. Nick seems to get s**t on the most. I am a music lover of all genres except country music. I listen to other artists and their music. I hear their instruments and how they use them. I feel music. It is my opinion that Nick does a good job doing what he does best on the keyboards. I don't think it's over-used. He likes the studio work and is the only one there continuing after recording. He cares about it. Medazzaland was great. He and Warren stepped up to the plate when they were needed. No one complains about his art interests or photography, though. If the other members really disliked Nick's "controlling" or something he's done, they'd say something and intervene. I don't believe that they are that intimidated by him. I still love all of the guys in the group, no matter what they do. Enough about my opinion about Nick. "Durantime" seems to be the biggest frustration with some fans. I don't care, personally. I'm one of those fans, yes. Their Durantime does seem to be getting longer and longer but guess what? They are older now, too! I know I don't move as fast as I did 30 years ago. They have lives, families, things going on outside of Duran Duran. Although today's society is about constantly moving and doing things, the guys can't be expected to be chained to the studio for a year straight and then release a new album. That's not realistic. What is realistic is making an album WHILE doing things with family and doing other things of interest. It was mentioned in another thread about it being better in the days where you heard nothing and suddenly you heard a new Duran song on the radio. That was cool, I will admit! This is a digital society which has it's drawbacks. There's constant information over the web and social media. I think artists feel they have to be in contact with their fans and the world (another reason I respect Nick for not caving into the social media thing but still recognizing it's power) otherwise they'd be forgotten. And I don't believe that to be true. I think the charm of Twitter has worn off for Simon. John isn't as big a force on social media either as he once was. It's a double-edged sword. Contact and information is good...but where is that line drawn where it's become too much information (pun intended)? If we hadn't heard about Lohan or anyone else on the album, I don't think there would be as much feather-ruffling as there as been. Okay, I guess what it boils down to is that our idols are older. Think about how you've grown and give them the same respect. Fans will continue to support the group and not forget about them. I don't believe we will EVER see Duran Duran performing in casinos or greatest hits tours. Music is their life (among other things) and I don't see boredom as being an issue. When they decide to close the chapter of Duran Duran in their books of life, it will happen because THEY no longer want to continue for whatever reason(s). There are skeptics right here on this board but I don't think any of you will write Duran off and close that chapter in your lives. Won't happen.
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Post by oakey on Jan 15, 2015 15:32:57 GMT -5
If you are a fan of Duran, I believe that you aren't going to just let them go. Well, I was a big fan since 1986 but completely lost interest after 1995, simply because their new music was substandard. This happened to many fans at the time. I don't believe we will EVER see Duran Duran performing in casinos or greatest hits tours. Many of us remember 1998-2000... That was pretty much what they were doing at the time.
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Post by figital on Jan 15, 2015 15:41:20 GMT -5
>>I don't believe we will EVER see Duran Duran performing in casinos or greatest hits tours.
i'd point out that the last two cancelled shows of the AYNIN tour were slated to be played in a casino. further to that, the band has played loads of casino shows dotting the landscapes since the 90s. i think of a gig at bally's in 1993...
August 31, 2012 – Casino Rama Entertainment Centre, Orillia, Canada (cancelled) September 1, 2012 – Casino Rama Entertainment Centre, Orillia, Canada (cancelled)
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Post by mynick7 on Jan 15, 2015 15:52:22 GMT -5
Interesting post indeed. The band always had a problem with keeping up the momentum: - after a million selling live album, at the height of their success, they decide to work on side projects - after a successful comeback with a soft rock album, they almost collapse under internal struggles and release a covers album that ended up on many 'worst albums of all time' lists - after a 2nd successful comeback album with the original line-up, they fire their guitarist and produce an album no fan gets excited about (let alone non-fans); they could have waited for the guitarist to get his work visa (at that time they did appear to be in a hurry) - after an album that was well received by fans and critics, they cancel a lot of European dates because of the singer's throat problems, which were not reschedeled (losing a lot of goodwill around here; I did not even get my money back as the promotor went bankrupt because of this), produce a photo book which sells for $1000 and take over 4 years to make a follow-up album to make sure everybody has forgotten they still exist The only reason DD still exists is because they are big in the USA. I mean, wasn't the biggest selling band of last year Bon Jovi? This is a band that we in Europe consider as relevant as Culture Club, cock Robin or Europe (ie., not). But in the States they are huge, as there is a large market for stadium concerts (while in Europe these always have the risk of not selling out and losing a lot of money). Still I'm looking forward to #14 , but I also do not see it happen this year. - If I were with 4 other people 24/7 for 3+ years, I'd get sick of them, too and want a break. - I liked Thank You as did most of the original artists of the songs they covered. - Not going to be sucked into an AT debate again, but there are many fans that like RCM. It's a matter of personal taste. - I'm sorry about your issue with the cancelled concerts. But think about it. Even if they did re-schedule, it would've been cut short AGAIN when Nick got so ill. That was a helluva long tour and by the time they cancelled due to Nick (from a man that refused to stop a tour when his father died and didn't stop the tour when he had an extremely bad ear infections so he avoided flying and was driven to the concert dates). I think at they point they were ready/needed to end it and rest. Plus they were older and it takes longer to get over illness, infections and health issues. Give them a break! - I only know about the US so I won't pretend to know about the rest of the world. Maybe the fan base here is keeping them going but trust me, they haven't been a musical force to be in competition with in decades. They are recognized for their 80s stuff and OW/CU but nothing since. I have never heard a new song by them on the radio since "Come Undone." Personally, I would prefer to see them in smaller venues and not a stadium because they seem to react better to the audience in a smaller venue. Just my opinion.
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Post by mynick7 on Jan 15, 2015 15:58:14 GMT -5
If you are a fan of Duran, I believe that you aren't going to just let them go. Well, I was a big fan since 1986 but completely lost interest after 1995, simply because their new music was substandard. This happened to many fans at the time. But you haven't lost the interest completely if you are still here, commenting and awaiting DD14. You were disheartened and disinterested but didn't give up on them totally. And many fans were picked up after 1995 by people that liked what they were doing.
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Post by mynick7 on Jan 15, 2015 15:59:33 GMT -5
>>I don't believe we will EVER see Duran Duran performing in casinos or greatest hits tours. i'd point out that the last two cancelled shows of the AYNIN tour were slated to be played in a casino. further to that, the band has played loads of casino shows dotting the landscapes since the 90s. i think of a gig at bally's in 1993... August 31, 2012 – Casino Rama Entertainment Centre, Orillia, Canada (cancelled) September 1, 2012 – Casino Rama Entertainment Centre, Orillia, Canada (cancelled) My bad. They have done them. I was just thinking of a total casino tour.
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