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Post by Sir rogerlejohn jr. on Aug 1, 2015 17:44:52 GMT -5
Obviously you have passion for and know a great deal about Duran Duran. Everyone appreciate different parts of the band and no need to get overexcited about that. If everyone respect others opnions without forcing their own, we all could go back to the Ordinary World:-)
Lot of frustration among the fans for the long wait and how they have promoted PO, the train leaves the station first on monday; mavie1 says: let's see next week.
This tension may get people off their regular tracks! But mostly no harm intended.
Once the song Paper Gods is released, apperently (almost) everyone will smile
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Post by oakey on Aug 1, 2015 22:17:05 GMT -5
Reading TS's post that was also my reaction, it's part of getting older. It's a scientific fact that people rate the music they listened to when they were in their teens the highest across their lifespan. Everyhting before that is old-fashioned and dated, everything after too modern, loud or 'not what they made back in the days' 1986 and 1987 were 'my music years'. I can date every song and album and I can hear the style diffrence between an early 1986 pop song and a late 1987 hit. I listen to a lot of newer music as well, but no way can I tell the difference in sound and style between a song from, say, 2005 and one from 2012... To say the first 3 albums were not contrived must be the understatement of the year though. They were carefully managed by the Berrows in that period who had everything under control and the coke, megalomania and booze did the rest.
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Post by coolbarn on Aug 1, 2015 22:31:02 GMT -5
just to answer this point: -but SHOULD a music group be treated like a sports team? Who is Duran Duran competing against? Is it a team? Is it Duran Duran vs A-Ha vs Depeche Mode vs, etc.... Infact the artform is totally ANTI-competition! Sports is competitive in its nature - music should not be and truly isn't. Sorry - no team "Duran Duran" for me This was just another one of my long-winded analogies in regards to supporting something or someone. How somebody supporting a team but upsetting the apple cart along the way is bound to get negative responses from the other fans. I didn't really want to suggest that music groups are like sports teams in some massive arena, nor that we do, or should, belong to "team Duran" (I do like that phrase though!). Remember there are some facts posted on these boards. The highest chart position that Pressure Off gets to. The release date of Paper Gods. The cities that Duran are playing at in the coming months. These can be verified, and if/when proven correct they are irrefutable and not open to debate. But the rest of this board, and the vast majority of it, is simply opinion. So much discussion around here is our own views, often based on facts mentioned like the above, and often based on other people's opinions and even opinions about other people's opinions I like reading other people's views, and giving my own in response. There are some really good, meaty, hard-hitting discussions around here as a result from time to time. Sure this place still has, and needs, some easy going threads which show the latest pictures of the band, or articles about the Duran private lives and info about their side-projects or families for example, and this is good. You don't want every thread to be hard-hitting and confrontational, just as you don't want every thread to be about how hot John looked last night at that restaurant. I think it has a great mix of fun threads, informational threads, and confrontational threads. If Duran Duran do something I like, I say so. If Duran Duran do something I don't like, I say so. And I have never once felt threatened, nor feel I have been unnecessarily flamed for saying something negative about Duran Duran, and boy have I said plenty over the years. This says a lot about the maturity and intelligence of the regulars here, the fact that I do feel safe giving Duran brickbats when I feel they deserve it. If you don't feel the same way, if you feel you have received a lot of flames recently, then of course you're entitled to your feelings and point of view. But we have had vastly different experiences from essentially posting similar things, so all I can suggest is you look at HOW you post your points of view, and HOW OFTEN you post things which could be construed as being overly negative or critical. You have been true to yourself and true to your feelings in regards to Duran Duran, and that is very commendable. However you have to accept that these posts, regardless of how they were intentioned, were always going to be met with opposition. Either accept that this is you and run with it, or change your posting methods slightly. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Keep posting this same way is fine if that is how you would like to do things. But if you make this conscious decision, please don't complain about the flamey repercussions. Good luck
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Post by mynick7 on Aug 2, 2015 2:43:16 GMT -5
I'm just going on the record to say that I do agree with some of what you have posted. I'm one of those people that like the entire progression from "Duran Duran" through PO. I've always loved how they experiment and the fact that each album is different in it's own way. Part of their maturing and growing up was working with and for other people. I happen to love RCM and thought DD had a lot of balls in working with Timberlake and Timbaland. Every album is like a different side to the group and I fall in love all over again with each album. Now. I will admit I am one that has "flamed" you...not because of WHAT you posted (most of the time) but HOW you've posted it. Written words are not oral communication and get misunderstood frequently. That is what is happening with you and some of us other posters on here. Opinions are awesome to share and leads to great discussions. Sometimes I agree with people and sometimes I don't. But several of your posts SEEM to have blatantly attacked the group and members of this forum. I've said it is another thread and I'll say it again: it's how you word things that get misconstrued and misunderstood...which leads to little bouts of tiffs on here. I know it was not intentional, but strong enough where you did offend some people. You are more than welcome to share your views on albums, but at the same time, you need to respect other people's viewpoints. Mine are sometimes misunderstood because I am one of the fans that actually loves every album that DD has ever put out. It's not because I follow them blindly and like the album because it's Duran Duran. No. To me, as I said before, each album is an experiment, a progression, a learning experience. F**k what other groups are doing. I can't compare what DD is doing to other groups because they aren't DD. I am a child of the 80s (I graduated from high school smack dab in the middle of the decade), so that music is was and still is my life. Hell. I've got a radio show on my university's radio station playing 80s music...the popular and the obscure. If an 80s or close to the 80s music act releases something new, I will play it because it's relevent because the band originated in or around the 80s and it's neat to share what they are doing now to what they were popular for in the past. It helps connect listeners to music they haven't heard before or makes them think that Wow! They still got it! But I can't compare group to group. Every group is different and has their own style. Duran Duran is doing what they're doing to make money, but at they same time, they're making music because they love to. They turned to Mark Ronson again for Paper Gods, who really dug what they were doing and suggested them getting a hold of Nile Rodgers. Things tend to snowball like that. I have no issues with them working with other people... Hell. Some groups would never consider doing that...and I think they lose something in not at least trying. DD worked VERY well with Ana Matronic and Kelis on AYNIN. So why not work with others? It's not caving in or giving in to what's popular. DD does what they want. That's the bottom line. I don't hear anything remotely being contrived. It's just the guys changing with the times and experiment and growing. However that is my opinion...and yes, I will defend it. I do appreciate you writing that post. It was your best one ever because you actually explained yourself and why you feel the way you do. THAT is how one should post all of them time because your comments do tend to rub people the wrong way. I'm not saying that you need to write an essay every time, just don't talk down to us...like we are children and don't understand. I don't care if they are negative or positive views. Everyone's thoughts is what makes life and time on this forum good. Keep it up!!!
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Post by coolbarn on Aug 2, 2015 3:29:32 GMT -5
I'm not saying that you need to write an essay every time Exactly - leave that to me (And great post Mynick - loved it)
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Post by snr79 on Aug 2, 2015 6:46:05 GMT -5
Hi Carl, but why should anyone throw shit at me? do they do that if someone leaves a negative review for a shitty microwave on Amazon? Also, not all my Duran Duran comments are negative, infact - most are POSITIVE. So if you do not get upset at reading a negative review of a microwave on amazon, then why Duran Duran? Is the band your "safe place"? do you NEED duran duran to be the best band on earth? what psychologically makes one tick when someone doesn't like a song of theirs or how the band is progressing? These self-proclaimed "NICE" people on here who claim to be "DD Supporters" seem to turn into brutal, condemning witch hunters when faced with something they dont like to hear. The inability to hear any side but their own is CHILD like. I never ONCE attacked someone for LIKING "Pressure Off" - NEVER! See, I am a mature adult who can HANDLE adversity and differences among people. I also wonder if we were face to face would I be getting the same backlash, or is it just a case of keyboard-warrior-ism. I don't think you can compare leaving a negative review on a microwave on Amazon to giving one about the band on here! Unless your the maker of said microwave people couldn't care less! But on here the band is more personal to some, so fans will take things more to heart. I do believe it's the way it's put across by you than your actual opinion that grates though to be fair. As fans of this band were more than used to reading negative comments about them and their work so it's not as if we're all over the top touchy people! (well most of us anyway!) But like I said when your on here and being negative about the band and most of the things they've done in recent times you will for the most part get a negative reaction back. Which if your being honest with yourself is what you would expect anyway surely? I think you like the reaction really which is fine everyone needs attention sometimes. But you shouldn't be complaining about people bashing you for complaing about Duran Duran!!
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Post by aglewis723 on Aug 2, 2015 9:23:22 GMT -5
Stems back to my original question directed at Aglewis...do you support Duran Duran or not? Still waiting for an answer... And by that he shouldn't take offence. I've already explained what 'support' means and so has Coolbarn above. No - I don't "support" ANY band. What a ridiculous notion. I listen to songs I like and don't listen to songs I don't like. I will probably never listen to "Pressure Off" as I think it is a terrible song in my opinion. If you like it, great - but I also know some people just like it because it's Duran Duran. It's a weird psychology when that happens. I don't feel the need to like every Duran Duran song. And as far as "supporting" them, ummm I don't know. I just listen to songs I like. Is that support? what do you even mean by support? They aren't my children, and I don't need them to succeed. no clue what you are asking.
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Post by aglewis723 on Aug 2, 2015 9:31:14 GMT -5
I don't think you can compare leaving a negative review on a microwave on Amazon to giving one about the band on here! Unless your the maker of said microwave people couldn't care less! But on here the band is more personal to some, so fans will take things more to heart. I do believe it's the way it's put across by you than your actual opinion that grates though to be fair. As fans of this band were more than used to reading negative comments about them and their work so it's not as if we're all over the top touchy people! (well most of us anyway!) But like I said when your on here and being negative about the band and most of the things they've done in recent times you will for the most part get a negative reaction back. Which if your being honest with yourself is what you would expect anyway surely? I think you like the reaction really which is fine everyone needs attention sometimes. But you shouldn't be complaining about people bashing you for complaing about Duran Duran!! Me talking in the cold light of day, without flaming going back and forward, and picking up on Snr79's post, re criticising Duran, I am all for free speech because it does make for interesting reading for others who don't take part in the discussions but choose to watch from the sidelines. All of us are opinionated and I respect that completely. I also understand comments can get way out of hand and I am so f-ing passionate about this band I will probably be sectioned, guilty as charged, for an unhealthy interest in Duran Duran. I know I'm guilty of making a few underhand remarks to Aglewis and I apologise for having a go. After reading his long, informative post I can see he knows his Duran history and has made very positive and interesting comments. I hear you Aglewis. However, adding to Snr79's comment, I am used to the press thumping Duran. During the 90's they couldn't do anything right in their eyes, especially with 'Thankyou'. To be honest that has subsided over the years. It's almost like a right of passage. If you can get past the relentless panning then you've made it and are respected. That's my take for what it's worth. My point is, I'm used to Duran getting the needle from neutrals, but not from 'one of our own' on here. Does that make sense? A Duran forum is the 'support' Aglewis. It's like the place to come to recharge your batteries to fight another day. There's no other place to find that 'support'. It's unconditional, no compromising. Sure, be critical, but try to turn it into positives, look for the gold at the end of the rainbow. Don't just f___ the band down the river and hang em out to dry. Let the neutral forums do that. But I'm sorry, we ALL should be 'Team Duran Duran'. I do like that phrase and I think you should use that term more often and be part of it! Peace i dont know - i just cant get into that mindset. I can't turn this into a positive. DD are on auto-pilot. Hell look at the videos of the new tour... they are using backdrop animations from 2003!! They used to carefully design each tour to match the album. It's getting repetitive. The same break in "Girls On Film" - ughh. its Duran by numbers now. I used to love how you never knew what was coming from the band. To me, this is simply a place to DISCUSS Duran Duran. Support? i dont know what that really means.
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Post by poptrash on Aug 2, 2015 10:08:39 GMT -5
I do not see these shows as a proper tour actually. Just a few shows in a row, nothing more. Those UK shows supporting the new album is a tour to me. So i do not mind that they are using the same backdrops now. I think it is nice that they do some shows while every one is waiting for the new album and so some fans have the opportunity to see them and have a good night out.
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Post by andre005 on Aug 2, 2015 10:35:43 GMT -5
Me talking in the cold light of day, without flaming going back and forward, and picking up on Snr79's post, re criticising Duran, I am all for free speech because it does make for interesting reading for others who don't take part in the discussions but choose to watch from the sidelines. All of us are opinionated and I respect that completely. I also understand comments can get way out of hand and I am so f-ing passionate about this band I will probably be sectioned, guilty as charged, for an unhealthy interest in Duran Duran. I know I'm guilty of making a few underhand remarks to Aglewis and I apologise for having a go. After reading his long, informative post I can see he knows his Duran history and has made very positive and interesting comments. I hear you Aglewis. However, adding to Snr79's comment, I am used to the press thumping Duran. During the 90's they couldn't do anything right in their eyes, especially with 'Thankyou'. To be honest that has subsided over the years. It's almost like a right of passage. If you can get past the relentless panning then you've made it and are respected. That's my take for what it's worth. My point is, I'm used to Duran getting the needle from neutrals, but not from 'one of our own' on here. Does that make sense? A Duran forum is the 'support' Aglewis. It's like the place to come to recharge your batteries to fight another day. There's no other place to find that 'support'. It's unconditional, no compromising. Sure, be critical, but try to turn it into positives, look for the gold at the end of the rainbow. Don't just f___ the band down the river and hang em out to dry. Let the neutral forums do that. But I'm sorry, we ALL should be 'Team Duran Duran'. I do like that phrase and I think you should use that term i dont know - i just cant get into that mindset. I can't turn this into a positive. DD are on auto-pilot. Hell look at the videos of the new tour... they are using backdrop animations from 2003!! They used to carefully design each tour to match the album. It's getting repetitive. The same break in "Girls On Film" - ughh. its Duran by numbers now. I used to love how you never knew what was coming from the band. To me, this is simply a place to DISCUSS Duran Duran. Support? i dont know what that really means. You need patience.. How do you know they won't have a new video set up and stage for 2016... Right now this tour is getting word out on new album...take it with a grain of salt..
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