|
Post by andre005 on Aug 2, 2015 10:37:50 GMT -5
i dont know - i just cant get into that mindset. I can't turn this into a positive. DD are on auto-pilot. Hell look at the videos of the new tour... they are using backdrop animations from 2003!! They used to carefully design each tour to match the album. It's getting repetitive. The same break in "Girls On Film" - ughh. its Duran by numbers now. I used to love how you never knew what was coming from the band. To me, this is simply a place to DISCUSS Duran Duran. Support? i dont know what that really means. Don't jump the gun.. How do you know they won't have a new stage set up for 2016? You need patience son..
|
|
rtm
NOTORIOUS
Posts: 1,498
|
Post by rtm on Aug 2, 2015 11:00:15 GMT -5
What's not to get about the support part? The way I read it: 'Skinburn' means support amongst the forum members NOT to the band perse. On the other side: I must say I agree on most of what aglewis723 says in this thread/ very valid points. I also really dislike the new single but I'm still curious to rest the of the album) IMO new DD albums always contain at least a few gems I like (apart from RCM which only contained one > Falling down) And thats exactly what I do after a new album came out > first digest it a couple of times > Pick out the songs I really like > discard of the rest and dont bother with them anymore. Just keeping the gems I like. On the live front: I think they will never WOW me again like they did on the 87 Strange Behaviour tour but I was 16 at the time > Ive seen better concerts by other artists/bands since then but for me that was (and still is) the ultimate > I really enjoyed the reunion concert with the original five just for the sake of finally seeing the original band but I still want to see them a final time in the future...Its up to me when I decide that time is right...but Im not waiting too long To this day DD is still a very important part of my life: Although my Duran passion/'support' is still very much related to the past. Im a sucker for their 86-87 era and that is a passion I throw out there on a weekly base on my facebook page dedicated to the Duran from that period. I relive that times when I listen to the music, look at the pics and releases from that time. In a way thats my 'support' part I guess. Support can mean you really really get into the music/ a certain era or eras of Duran...the ones that mean the most to you for whatever reasons.Its different for all of us luckily (for example I dont have the same passion for Medazzaland/Pop Trash nor Astronaut but I loved AYNIN despite all the obvious 'remakes' of past songs and hits) What unites us all however is this passion and 'Support' for the same band and members(past and present, despite our different likes of songs, albums and eras) Thats I guess what "team Duran' stands for > a mutual love interest > and Im not talking a threesome Im talking a million some! Now thats what I call HOT and sexy my two cents on this matter
|
|
|
Post by josefk on Aug 2, 2015 11:24:43 GMT -5
Like any artist/band with a long shelf life, DD has to operate like a corporation offering a range of products (songs and albums) to the public. They can offer innovative products and thrive financially like Apple or stagnate and die a slow death like BlackBerry. I’d rather have a manufactured song/product like Pressure Off with potential commercial upside to allow for the distribution of more innovative products that I can purchase from them. We all have our favorites from the past, but only continued success will keep this corporation from ceasing to exist.
|
|
|
Post by mynick7 on Aug 2, 2015 11:46:15 GMT -5
Me talking in the cold light of day, without flaming going back and forward, and picking up on Snr79's post, re criticising Duran, I am all for free speech because it does make for interesting reading for others who don't take part in the discussions but choose to watch from the sidelines. All of us are opinionated and I respect that completely. I also understand comments can get way out of hand and I am so f-ing passionate about this band I will probably be sectioned, guilty as charged, for an unhealthy interest in Duran Duran. I know I'm guilty of making a few underhand remarks to Aglewis and I apologise for having a go. After reading his long, informative post I can see he knows his Duran history and has made very positive and interesting comments. I hear you Aglewis. However, adding to Snr79's comment, I am used to the press thumping Duran. During the 90's they couldn't do anything right in their eyes, especially with 'Thankyou'. To be honest that has subsided over the years. It's almost like a right of passage. If you can get past the relentless panning then you've made it and are respected. That's my take for what it's worth. My point is, I'm used to Duran getting the needle from neutrals, but not from 'one of our own' on here. Does that make sense? A Duran forum is the 'support' Aglewis. It's like the place to come to recharge your batteries to fight another day. There's no other place to find that 'support'. It's unconditional, no compromising. Sure, be critical, but try to turn it into positives, look for the gold at the end of the rainbow. Don't just f___ the band down the river and hang em out to dry. Let the neutral forums do that. But I'm sorry, we ALL should be 'Team Duran Duran'. I do like that phrase and I think you should use that term more often and be part of it! Peace i dont know - i just cant get into that mindset. I can't turn this into a positive. DD are on auto-pilot. Hell look at the videos of the new tour... they are using backdrop animations from 2003!! They used to carefully design each tour to match the album. It's getting repetitive. The same break in "Girls On Film" - ughh. its Duran by numbers now. I used to love how you never knew what was coming from the band. To me, this is simply a place to DISCUSS Duran Duran. Support? i dont know what that really means. Okay. You want to keep rubbing us the wrong way after we've tried to tell you why we are having issues with several of your posts? Then I'll keep it up, myself. I do not believe that you are stupid by any means, but this post makes you look stupid. You like DD...whatever albums/songs you like. You buy the albums. You go to their shows. You know what? YOU SUPPORT DURAN DURAN. So don't give me that crap line about not knowing what that means. You are passionate enough to post your views on here so DD means a lot to you. You know what that means? YOU SUPPORT DURAN DURAN. You are on "Team Duran Duran" because you do like them and you do post about them. Positive or negative, you are part of this group. I am one of those people that can only afford one show a tour, so it makes no freakin' difference to me what they play or what their animations/background video is. I'm not there for that! I'm there for the music. I'm there to sing, dance (and lose my voice) to celebrate the music of a group I love...whether it be new stuff or old stuff...because every single song is all part of Duran Duran's DNA. Sharing your views and/or opinions is great. B**ching and moaning and complaining about every little thing is downright annoying. And for that, you will get attacked because people don't want to continually see it on every single thread. You either need to get it through your thick skull that you're words are the issue and change that OR you are the kind of person that stirs up s**t for their own enjoyment. You said it yourself that "I am not looking to insult you or anyone in this forum. I am not looking to insult the band either!" Guess what? You are insulting us and are continuing to do it despite what we have tried to tell you. That shows me that you don't care or respect our opinions/viewpoints and half of your opening post is bull.
|
|
rtm
NOTORIOUS
Posts: 1,498
|
Post by rtm on Aug 2, 2015 12:23:29 GMT -5
Oh yeah thats me alright Glad you like the page. About posting photos:, I really want to keep the place 'clean'. Ive seen what happens on other pages on facebook that are open to post and I think it clutters them pages, I sort of want to keep control of the 'quality', hope you understand what I mean. Compare it to your own house, you dont want people to come in and hang whatever they want on your wall.....do ya? But Im always open to cool contributions! If you got something that's really cool and you think is worth of posting on the page you just drop me a line
|
|
|
Post by aglewis723 on Aug 2, 2015 12:28:41 GMT -5
It's really quite simple..Aglewis is not as passionate about Duran as most of us on here. You either understand what 'support' means or...really, I'm not involving myself anymore with this pointless thread. Seriously, what is the point of Aglewis creating a thread to try and explain, or offer an olive branch when you're just going to wade back in? In fact I've decided to block him because if I don't, I fear I shall start flaming again and that's not constructive. All I know is I'm a happy Durannie and I'm...outa this thread. damn - you can't control yourself, can you? lol I still don't understand "support". I either like a song or I dont. If I like enough songs by the band, I am a fan. I am not a fan recently but still hope for some good tracks and live performances. What is the big deal?
|
|
rtm
NOTORIOUS
Posts: 1,498
|
Post by rtm on Aug 2, 2015 12:35:27 GMT -5
Like = Support Support = Like Simple as that
|
|
|
Post by madoldlu on Aug 2, 2015 12:36:15 GMT -5
Wow. After reading Aglewis's responses I have to side with Skinburn. It seems like Aglewis doesn't really like DD like most of us here do. He says he doesn't know what "supporting the band" means, and just wants to "discuss DD". He's probably better off at a general music forum where there may be some casual fans. But this is not really the place for the casual DD fan, is it? This is the place where the participants consider DD to be their favorite or at least among their favorites band. If a fan is a favorite, it's only natural that you would support them because of all the pleasure and happiness they have given to you for years. if you can't even understand that simple idea, then there is nothing anyone can say to help you understand why you are facing some harsh criticism. And BTW, having a band be your favorite doesn't mean that the band is beyond reproach. Far from it. We all (well, most of us), love the band but know there are aspects and works of theirs that we don't like, and many of us feel fine in expressing that. But we voice it with respect and benevolence, because the band has earned that respect by creating such beautiful music that has filled our lives with joy for over 35 years now. If I can't show them a little respect for that, then I wouldn't call myself a fan. Good luck, Aglewis! You're on your own from here on out!
|
|
|
Post by aglewis723 on Aug 2, 2015 13:25:59 GMT -5
Wow. After reading Aglewis's responses I have to side with Skinburn. It seems like Aglewis doesn't really like DD like most of us here do. He says he doesn't know what "supporting the band" means, and just wants to "discuss DD". He's probably better off at a general music forum where there may be some casual fans. But this is not really the place for the casual DD fan, is it? This is the place where the participants consider DD to be their favorite or at least among their favorites band. If a fan is a favorite, it's only natural that you would support them because of all the pleasure and happiness they have given to you for years. if you can't even understand that simple idea, then there is nothing anyone can say to help you understand why you are facing some harsh criticism. And BTW, having a band be your favorite doesn't mean that the band is beyond reproach. Far from it. We all (well, most of us), love the band but know there are aspects and works of theirs that we don't like, and many of us feel fine in expressing that. But we voice it with respect and benevolence, because the band has earned that respect by creating such beautiful music that has filled our lives with joy for over 35 years now. If I can't show them a little respect for that, then I wouldn't call myself a fan. Good luck, Aglewis! You're on your own from here on out! You think the casual DD fan would be able to have a conversation with me on this detail? About how each tour used to differ but now since the reunion, each show sounds and looks the same? Or about how each album up until Astronaut including medaz and pop trash have their own feeling of "moving forward"? they wont even KNOW these albums. To be honest... i was a DIE HARD fan up until the reunion. The entire 90's I was Die Hard #1. But that was because I LOVED what they were churning out year after year ( a big part now I see has to do with Warren )... Maybe I am not as big as a fan today - but so what? Why can't I discuss Duran Duran here? I don't get the herd mentality here at all. Do you get personally offended if I say things like Duran are phoning it in, sacrificing integrity for sales, etc... Why would you?
|
|
|
Post by coolbarn on Aug 2, 2015 14:53:26 GMT -5
Like any artist/band with a long shelf life, DD has to operate like a corporation offering a range of products (songs and albums) to the public. They can offer innovative products and thrive financially like Apple or stagnate and die a slow death like BlackBerry. I’d rather have a manufactured song/product like Pressure Off with potential commercial upside to allow for the distribution of more innovative products that I can purchase from them. We all have our favorites from the past, but only continued success will keep this corporation from ceasing to exist. Hi Josefk, I completely disagree my friend. Duran Duran aren't a company that needs to keep innovating or die. They are a group of four, very wealthy men, a couple of whom are married to very wealthy wives. They don't have thousands of staff to keep employed, or hundreds of thousands of shareholders that they have to placate. Between their investments, assets, continuing royalties, marketing and advertising deals, and interest snowballing in the background, they NEVER have to work again. They could all retire right now very comfortably, and just get by on those things and who knows what other pies they have fingers in? For goodness sake they charge one million dollars for a private show, and they play a few of these EVERY year. And have been doing so for years. They can individually make more in ONE NIGHT at one of these shows than most of us will see in five years of full-time work. It is obscene the amount of money that Duran Duran make each year. And you know what - GOOD ON THEM! If they can make trillions of dollars, then I hope they make trillions of dollars. It doesn't affect me one way or the other how much money Duran Duran do or don't make. But they are NOT a company like Apple or Blackberry Limited though. They are musicians. And it's pointless using the term "manufactured song with potential commercial upside" specifically like that because ALL songs Duran Duran release are manufactured with dreams and hopes of potential commercial upsides. Look at Duran since the reunion. They reformed because they wanted to make it big again. They were sick of playing small shows, and the Lebon-Rhodes-Cuccurullo combination had gone stale and large cracks were beginning to surface. In an effort to "manufacture songs with potential commercial upsides" when making Astronaut they ditched Nile Rodgers relatively early in proceedings (whom we now know knocked back a judging role on American Idol to work with Duran) and went with hipper producers and other names instead. And look how that turned out. Then next album in an effort to "manufacture songs with potential commercial upsides" when making Red Carpet Massacre they opted to work with a group of producers that at the time had about 947 songs in the top 40 (warning: guesstimate - may not be accurate). And look how that turned out. The next album they appeared NOT to manufacture songs with potential commercial upsides. They made an album with more of a classic, 80s-sounding Duran Duran vibe. And look how that turned out. Sure it didn't set the world on fire sales-wise just like the previous two albums that HAD tried to manufacture hits, but at least it got many of the fans who were so disappointed with Duran's efforts since the reunion back into the fold. Many of these fans, like say me for example, thought that All You Need Is Now was Duran's finest album in 25 years. But let's look at numbers for a minute. Because that's what "hits" are after all. Duran Duran haven't had a real hit since 1993. In 22 years and six albums they have not had a hit that has come close to selling the same number of copies and resonated with the general public like Ordinary World and Come Undone did. If Duran Duran truly DID need continued success or they would cease to exist, then they would have ceased existing years ago. Decades ago in fact (if you pardon the Duran-related pun). You cannot say that a band needs continued success and manufactured songs with commercial upsides when that band has gone 22 years without any real commercial success. Yet Duran Duran are still going strong regardless of their lack of chart success. Their last album was awesome. Their current album is reputed to be amazing. Their concerts are always popular and a lot of fun. We know they would love to have a hit again, but if that was the only thing keeping them going they still wouldn't be around. Thankfully Duran Duran are not that shallow or materialistic. They still love making new music. They still love touring. They know that being a musician is, in their very own words, all they are good at. They love that they are like a current-day Rolling Stones, something they have said for ages they aspired to becoming. Well guess what - they have become it. So I think them only making manufactured songs with potential commercial upsides is a pointless venture. The kids aren't going to buy Duran Duran; they've had their time in the sun as the most popular band in the world. And it was a great ride, but that part of their life is over. So I would much rather Duran Duran give me amazing music that has NO potential commercial upside (which is everything they write) rather than a desperate, embarrassing, ridiculous attempt at a song that they or Warner thinks has a potential commercial upside. Such a song probably doesn't exist for Duran Duran. Give me The Man Who Stole A Leopard over Skin Divers any day. Give me Mediterranea over Nite Runner. Give me Being Followed over Falling Down. The latter songs were touted as having potential commercial upsides. But the former songs are just so artistically superior in every way. Success to true artists is so much more than money and chart positions. Love of their art is worth so much more. We have loved their art for years, and we will continue to love their art in the future. And the band respect, acknowledge, and love this of us, and we love them back in return. It's a symbiotic circle, and as long as that circle stays intact so will Duran Duran, regardless of that circle not consisting of millions of people.
|
|