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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 21:54:57 GMT -5
Paper Gods has sold about 3,000 fewer copies in its first week than Red Carpet Massacre. By all measurements that is NOT a hit. The resulting number it has reached on the billboard chart is a reflection of lower overall sales making debutantes on the chart that are fuelled by an existing fanbase reach higher positions on charts than they have had in years, if not ever.
Either that or Slayer has just had its MOST SUCCESSFUL album EVER. In 2015. Clearly, Slayer's popularity has never been higher!
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Post by hpantazo on Sept 20, 2015 22:58:41 GMT -5
Paper Gods has sold about 3,000 fewer copies in its first week than Red Carpet Massacre. By all measurements that is NOT a hit. The resulting number it has reached on the billboard chart is a reflection of lower overall sales making debutantes on the chart that are fuelled by an existing fanbase reach higher positions on charts than they have had in years, if not ever.Either that or Slayer has just had its MOST SUCCESSFUL album EVER. In 2015. Clearly, Slayer's popularity has never been higher! This argument is wrong and you know it. Just because many more people steal music and/or buy only 1-2 tracks online instead of a whole album nowadays doesn't at all mean that the album charts are any less successful in terms of popularity and artist success than in the past. Sure, in terms of money, but no artist sells albums like the old days, times have changed. A top 10 album today is as great as success as a top 10 album in 2007 or 1997 or 1987, no matter how badly you want to argue against it. It is very, very hard for artists to get a top 10 album today, just ask the hundreds of thousands of young artists trying to sell their music online. They don't even chart, never mind a top 10. If you don't like Paper Gods, that is your opinion and your problem, but trying to argue that it is not a commercial success just makes you look stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 23:35:03 GMT -5
If you insist on using position on the Billboard chart as a measure of success, you should at the very least use WEEKS ON CHART over peak position, because what I do know is that peak position is a much less relevant statistic in 2015 than at any other time in recent history.
I believe that illegal downloads, to which you refer, are actually on the decline and have been for over 5 years. The biggest contributor to dropping sales are streaming sites/services such as Spotify and Apple Radio.
Regardless of what is contributing to the drop in sales, it doesn't change the fact that entering at #10 on the Billboard 200 with 3,000 fewer sales than Red Carpet Massacre, is by all measures at best a lukewarm result.
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Post by nileblogers on Sept 21, 2015 3:40:23 GMT -5
If you insist on using position on the Billboard chart as a measure of success, you should at the very least use WEEKS ON CHART over peak position, because what I do know is that peak position is a much less relevant statistic in 2015 than at any other time in recent history. I believe that illegal downloads, to which you refer, are actually on the decline and have been for over 5 years. The biggest contributor to dropping sales are streaming sites/services such as Spotify and Apple Radio. Regardless of what is contributing to the drop in sales, it doesn't change the fact that entering at #10 on the Billboard 200 with 3,000 fewer sales than Red Carpet Massacre, is by all measures at best a lukewarm result. How many albums have you created that went top 10? Are you the ex president of Sony or Hollywood Records? Call me Mr Spock but It's hard to have a debate with someone who is so illogical so I won't bother, I'm off to listen to the number two album in Italy, Paper Gods!!
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Post by l0st1t2b0st1k on Sept 21, 2015 11:16:13 GMT -5
If you insist on using position on the Billboard chart as a measure of success, you should at the very least use WEEKS ON CHART over peak position, because what I do know is that peak position is a much less relevant statistic in 2015 than at any other time in recent history. I believe that illegal downloads, to which you refer, are actually on the decline and have been for over 5 years. The biggest contributor to dropping sales are streaming sites/services such as Spotify and Apple Radio. Regardless of what is contributing to the drop in sales, it doesn't change the fact that entering at #10 on the Billboard 200 with 3,000 fewer sales than Red Carpet Massacre, is by all measures at best a lukewarm result. So now that the album has succeeded in cracking the Billboard top 10, the next hoop the band has to jump through for you is longevity on the charts? Where will it end? The fact is, Paper Gods will never be a success to you no matter how many hoops and hurdles you set into place for the band because you hate the album. You seriously are just waiting for Duran Duran to fail. How twisted is that??? Last time I checked, that's not the definition of a fan.
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Post by notoriou5 on Sept 21, 2015 11:32:14 GMT -5
I think the new album is very good and some of the songs are very special indeed and will stand the test of time very well. However, I can understand others do not like it - I didn't like Thank You (and, actually, the whole concept of it)... I didn't like (much of) All You Need Is Now either but I just never felt the need to go on and on (and on) about it - where does this end? Surely there is music out there people do like and wouldn't your energy be better spent enjoying something rather than constantly hating on something?
Very strange and just very negative energy being regurgitated over and over... I don't get it! ... Strange Behaviour!
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Post by ghostjet on Sept 21, 2015 12:36:01 GMT -5
the music business is certainly one of my main interests and it has easily been about 10 years since Duran Duran has had this much attention in press. People from different times in my life, are emailing me, texting, and are approaching me, knowing this is my favorite band, and wanting to talk about how I must be excited with this new album. This album is on the radar. I love that! Most outsiders were completely unaware of the last two albums, which is sad since one is my 2nd favorite of all the band's albums, but this one is getting attention. Album sales are remarkably lower across the board. Its frustrating for established artists but as for newer artists, they are not even worried about sales. Its about being out there in the public eye and being the buzz and they know that buzz may not translate into sales. Sales are important to WB. Sales will dictate how much money will be invested. It does not in reality mean that PG is a disappointing album. Our ages 28-60 typically are not the itunes and other online sources consumers. For a band in their 50's, concert revenue and pr chatter matter more.
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Post by pix1070 on Sept 24, 2015 15:02:58 GMT -5
It's just OK for me. I really LOVE AYNIN and was hoping for more of that. Definitely better than RCM, but don't like it as much as others.
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Post by pix1070 on Sept 24, 2015 15:05:19 GMT -5
I should add that I am ABSOLUTELY THRILLED they debuted in the top 10 though -- very exciting!!!
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Post by aglewis723 on Sept 24, 2015 15:08:01 GMT -5
If you insist on using position on the Billboard chart as a measure of success, you should at the very least use WEEKS ON CHART over peak position, because what I do know is that peak position is a much less relevant statistic in 2015 than at any other time in recent history. I believe that illegal downloads, to which you refer, are actually on the decline and have been for over 5 years. The biggest contributor to dropping sales are streaming sites/services such as Spotify and Apple Radio. Regardless of what is contributing to the drop in sales, it doesn't change the fact that entering at #10 on the Billboard 200 with 3,000 fewer sales than Red Carpet Massacre, is by all measures at best a lukewarm result. How many albums have you created that went top 10? Are you the ex president of Sony or Hollywood Records? Call me Mr Spock but It's hard to have a debate with someone who is so illogical so I won't bother, I'm off to listen to the number two album in Italy, Paper Gods!! When someone asks: "how many albums have YOU created that went top 10?" - that is designed to be a GOTCHYA question designed by a sophist (someone who just needs to be right). One doesn't need to be a musician in order to comment or have an opinion on music. It would mean to comment on the taste of a meal, you must be a chef yourself. How about instead of trying to use GOTCHYA questions - you actually say something of intelligence?
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