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Post by thetange on Apr 12, 2010 6:51:39 GMT -5
I for one can't wait for their next album.
I get what Randal has been saying....yes there are those out there who somehow like to give negative criticism to the band and they would like to think that it's positive. IMO, if your opinions are of a nature where you are giving advice, feedback, comments on how it made you feel for example and it's done IN A NICE WAY, then yes it's positive. But there are those that like to nick pick on the guys...Saying "Oh they should have done it this way or that!" SORRY but that's not a good form of doing it. In their heads "it's done all out of love!" but they are pretty much putting them down 
We can all agree to disagree. I'm a straight shooter. It's not a matter of "in my head" something is done out of love OR hate. Example: RCM, IMO, sucked beyond belief. In your world, that's "putting them down". In my world, it's simply a fact......no different than if I took an exam and scored badly on it. Doesn't mean I hate myself......or that I'm gonna throw myself over a cliff. Some of us are never going to be the types of folks who squint real hard and blindly "support" a band, politician, or anything else. In fact, I think that's whats wrong with a lot of folks.......you can see it politically all the time within all parties/affiliations......this singleminded, stupid (lol....or is that putting folks down?), mindset whereby folks believe they're "protecting" something. I don't buy that way of thinking, nor does it make sense to adopt it. Folks are just here having conversation about a band we all like. The notion of there being a "right way" and a "wrong way" to discuss the band and their music seems odd, especially given that no one here has been particularly harsh in the first place. Me thinks there's somethin' else goin' on with some of ya'll. We're not teenagers any more folks. Think about the words "negative criticism" you used in your post. To me, it's a very black and white notion that criticism has to be either positive or negative. Critcism, is often just observation and stating fact or ones opinion. |
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Post by GothicblueCJ on Apr 12, 2010 14:56:47 GMT -5
I for one can't wait for their next album.
I get what Randal has been saying....yes there are those out there who somehow like to give negative criticism to the band and they would like to think that it's positive. IMO, if your opinions are of a nature where you are giving advice, feedback, comments on how it made you feel for example and it's done IN A NICE WAY, then yes it's positive. But there are those that like to nick pick on the guys...Saying "Oh they should have done it this way or that!" SORRY but that's not a good form of doing it. In their heads "it's done all out of love!" but they are pretty much putting them down
We can all agree to disagree. I'm a straight shooter. It's not a matter of "in my head" something is done out of love OR hate. Example: RCM, IMO, sucked beyond belief. In your world, that's "putting them down". In my world, it's simply a fact......no different than if I took an exam and scored badly on it. Doesn't mean I hate myself......or that I'm gonna throw myself over a cliff. Some of us are never going to be the types of folks who squint real hard and blindly "support" a band, politician, or anything else. In fact, I think that's whats wrong with a lot of folks.......you can see it politically all the time within all parties/affiliations......this singleminded, stupid (lol....or is that putting folks down?), mindset whereby folks believe they're "protecting" something. I don't buy that way of thinking, nor does it make sense to adopt it. Folks are just here having conversation about a band we all like. The notion of there being a "right way" and a "wrong way" to discuss the band and their music seems odd, especially given that no one here has been particularly harsh in the first place. Me thinks there's somethin' else goin' on with some of ya'll. We're not teenagers any more folks. Think about the words "negative criticism" you used in your post. To me, it's a very black and white notion that criticism has to be either positive or negative. Critcism, is often just observation and stating fact or ones opinion.
In my way of thinking, I think that there are ways of giving critisism in a not so harsh way.
For example, you said that RCM sucked beyond belief. Ok that's the start and end of that statement-clean, cut, and quick. BUT what I'm saying is that there are people who constantly keeping harping on every little minut thing...pretty much trying to tear the item in question apart. Why really? |
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Post by moonagedaydream on Apr 12, 2010 15:34:53 GMT -5
Some say "why?" and I say "why not?".
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Post by Dr Of The Revolution on Apr 12, 2010 15:48:39 GMT -5
I think we're ALL hoping it's a huge success for them. Some are, others are already dooming it to failure for some reason or another. I think that's understandable considering the quantity and quality of music they have released over the last decade. They took an awful lot of time to come up with 2 albums and to be honest, both have been a let down for their own reasons. Taking too much time to create an album results in an overproduced album in duran's case. The songs have more evolved to products than the songs they initially must have been. Imagine them recording and releasing an album in let's say, 2 months time. Off course they would need good songs to record.(And that's where the main problems is in my opinion). If they want to take a different route then maybe that's the way to go. A new Duran album. But a raw one, a fresh one. Not an overpolished one. Didn't they want to go back to their roots ? Well, their debut album was recorded in december '80 and a single was in the charts by feb '81. The album was in the shops a few months later. About the way to release it : They would be very stupid to sign a new deal with a company that has no other option to link them to the newest hype, trend or actual other artists in order to make some money out of it. They should put it on the internet for free. No need to go find a torrent or a link on a forum to get it. You just need to go to the band's own website. And while you're there maybe you will order something from the webshop. Or give actual money to be able to buy it on vinyl or CD. And buy a ticket for their next show in town. I truely believe that's the only way to go. I don't think a record company is going to make the difference in promotion these days. The duran brand can sell itself to the media.A record company won't make a success out of a bad album. If the album turns out to be a masterpiece, then record companies would come begging to be able to release it traditionally. If the new album is good then it would float to the top by itself. Become an internet hype. And if that wouldn't happen then a record company probably won't make it into a succes either. Come on, duran, show some balls if you still have some (pun not intended). Do something entirely different than last time. I want to hear real drums again ! More guitar ! Only then you might have a chance to reconnect with all the fans you've lost along the way. |
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Post by thetange on Apr 12, 2010 18:23:01 GMT -5
We can all agree to disagree. I'm a straight shooter. It's not a matter of "in my head" something is done out of love OR hate. Example: RCM, IMO, sucked beyond belief. In your world, that's "putting them down". In my world, it's simply a fact......no different than if I took an exam and scored badly on it. Doesn't mean I hate myself......or that I'm gonna throw myself over a cliff. Some of us are never going to be the types of folks who squint real hard and blindly "support" a band, politician, or anything else. In fact, I think that's whats wrong with a lot of folks.......you can see it politically all the time within all parties/affiliations......this singleminded, stupid (lol....or is that putting folks down?), mindset whereby folks believe they're "protecting" something. I don't buy that way of thinking, nor does it make sense to adopt it. Folks are just here having conversation about a band we all like. The notion of there being a "right way" and a "wrong way" to discuss the band and their music seems odd, especially given that no one here has been particularly harsh in the first place. Me thinks there's somethin' else goin' on with some of ya'll. We're not teenagers any more folks. Think about the words "negative criticism" you used in your post. To me, it's a very black and white notion that criticism has to be either positive or negative. Critcism, is often just observation and stating fact or ones opinion.
In my way of thinking, I think that there are ways of giving critisism in a not so harsh way.
For example, you said that RCM sucked beyond belief. Ok that's the start and end of that statement-clean, cut, and quick. BUT what I'm saying is that there are people who constantly keeping harping on every little minut thing...pretty much trying to tear the item in question apart. Why really? I kinda threw the "RCM sucks" comment in the other post to bait you a bit (you didn't fall for it though <grin>). |
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Post by thetange on Apr 12, 2010 18:44:39 GMT -5
Taking too much time to create an album results in an overproduced album in duran's case. The songs have more evolved to products than the songs they initially must have been. Their most overproduced album was Seven and the Ragged Tiger, and that was rushed out the door pretty quickly. Amount of time spent on an album does NOT equal overproduction. So you honestly think the only way Duran can get people to listen to their music after spending months in a studio (which costs money) is to just give their product away for free? Are you serious? Really? You want them to spend 10s of thousands of dollars on making an album and then just release it for free on the internet? I'm failing to see an upside for the band here. I'm interested in hearing what others say about this, but I'd say RCM was even more overproduced than 7RT - but either way, it still supports your point that even quickly written/recorded albums can suffer from overproduction. Duran DOES tend to overproduced stuff regardless of how long they work on something. At the risk of sounding negative again <grin>, I do think the band suffer from a lack of taste sometimes. They naturally seem to like a lot of trendy, stylistic crap in which production is a big part of the sound, vs. a more timeless approach to writing/playing and letting it hang out there. As far as putting it out there for free......I think Revolution is saying that maybe it would buy Duran some publicity, etc., (that would be an upside Randal......loss of album revenue in turn for bigger concert attendance, which is where the real money is) but I personally doubt that would really translate into any more interest in the band. Radiohead did their "pay us what you want" thing but they did it when they were on top of the heap. I'm afraid it might backfire on Duran with a sort of "we can't even give the shit away" kinda perception. I do think they should think out of the box though in terms of their long range survival, vs. the usual short sighted attempts at having a hit single. In fact, I think thats one of their biggest problems......they tend to go for the quick and dirty "right now" career stuff vs. really considering how a lot of their decisions can (and have) hurt them severely over time. And there is something said for knowing your audience. I don't want any artist to pander to me personally......I'd hate that.......but like with RCM......50 year old guys making music that is essentially aimed at 15 year olds.......what the hell is that all about? I can't imagine being a band of Duran's stature and making such dumbed down music (and yes.....I expect idiotic music from Madonna.......but I don't buy or listen to Madonna......it cracks me up that 25 years later she's still using religious symbols and such to get anyone to pay attention to her). But yah Randal, your point about overproduction/length of time recording is a good observation because 7 and RCM were two of their quicker albums and definitely rank up there as among the more over produced. |
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Post by ddayclimber on Apr 12, 2010 22:14:54 GMT -5
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Post by GothicblueCJ on Apr 12, 2010 22:51:42 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying Tange!
In my way of thinking, I think that there are ways of giving critisism in a not so harsh way.
For example, you said that RCM sucked beyond belief. Ok that's the start and end of that statement-clean, cut, and quick. BUT what I'm saying is that there are people who constantly keeping harping on every little minut thing...pretty much trying to tear the item in question apart. Why really? I kinda threw the "RCM sucks" comment in the other post to bait you a bit (you didn't fall for it though <grin>).   |
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Post by Tin on Apr 12, 2010 23:02:06 GMT -5
Every time this version of the debate comes up again my mind is always drawn to "Beautiful Colours". How many of us have said they LOVED that song ... and yet Simon stated it was "unfinished". shit ... if THAT'S unfinished, I'll take more along those lines!! I, too, would like to hear more raw work ... but I trust they will work at it until THEY are happy with it. -- Whatever route they take I will happily await the new songs. -- It give me more whinging time ... LOL |
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