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Post by markmitchell333 on Jun 7, 2010 21:26:50 GMT -5
and one more thing: for those of you unhappy with Warren being a little pissed off (which is all it is really), try to cut him a little slack. when you are the one hurt and dumped by ones you really really love and appreciate - it's really tough to keep your mouth totally shut. Especially when you think 'the other woman' did not appreciate the marriage as much as you. ya know? and on top of that, to take this crude metaphor to an even more crude conclusion - to Mrs. Cucurrulo, Mrs A. Taylor did not even like f___ing Mr. Duran. And on top of that, Mrs C's subjective opinion was that Mrs. A Taylor did not even know how to f___ as well as Mrs. C. Thats gotta sting....think about it. To Wacu it's one of those things in ones life that DOES NOT COMPUTE. ya know when weird things happen and you just cant reconsile it since it seems so wrong? Anyway, this is from a dude who loves andy and has put his life on the line with inside info about him and would love to see him back! Just let that be known! xo
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Post by musicmaniac on Jun 7, 2010 22:26:05 GMT -5
and one more thing: for those of you unhappy with Warren being a little pissed off (which is all it is really), try to cut him a little slack. when you are the one hurt and dumped by ones you really really love and appreciate - it's really tough to keep your mouth totally shut. Especially when you think 'the other woman' did not appreciate the marriage as much as you. ya know? and on top of that, to take this crude metaphor to an even more crude conclusion - to Mrs. Cucurrulo, Mrs A. Taylor did not even like fckuing Mr. Duran. And on top of that, Mrs C's subjective opinion was that Mrs. A Taylor did not even know how to fcku as well as Mrs. C. Thats gotta sting....think about it. To Wacu it's one of those things in ones life that DOES NOT COMPUTE. ya know when weird things happen and you just cant reconsile it since it seems so wrong? Anyway, this is from a dude who loves andy and has put his life on the line with inside info about him and would love to see him back! Just let that be known! xo Dude, I don't agree with all your views, but that's ok. Your post was expressed very eloquently and with feeling. You maintained respect for everyone involved in this thread while at the same time saying exactly what you think. I think Warren is a great guitarist, but a lot of his antics detracted from that. It is hard to see him in a serious light as being a competent musician while he expresses some extreme views. His weird antics overshadows his musicianship as far as I am concerned. It is even more difficult to like him as a person when he is insulting the guitarist that I prefer for sentimental and practical reasons. I know he did great things for Duran, but he also did some detrimental things at the same token. I mean that's great he wrote Ordinary World; I love that song, but remember....Andy also was involved in Duran's biggest songs as well (Hungry like the Wolf, Rio, Save A Prayer, The Reflex) that assumes the title as timeless classics. For me, Warren could never compete with that.
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Post by markmitchell333 on Jun 8, 2010 0:28:19 GMT -5
if you are going to compare andy's dd classic's to warren's, andy certainly winds hands down. your point makes sense to me too, but i don't think warren's "extreme bahavior" takes away from the awesome music he makes. the porn is cheesy, yes. he thinks we did not land on the moon - ridiculous, i'm an expert on the subject. but he's doing a service opening our minds up to 9/11. he thinks he knows what happened, and he may not. but we certainly don't either. thats for certain. thats a whole 'nother discussion. anyway, thanks for the response and i get it. peace. save a prayer = ordinary world seventh stranger = midnight sun nuff said
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Post by stuporfly on Jun 8, 2010 8:08:56 GMT -5
Warren opted for an infantile, beeaatchy way of saying it, but he's not completely wrong: He and Andy are different types of guitarists. His butt-hurt competitiveness aside, the fact may remain that Andy simply wasn't comfortable playing some of Warren's parts. Whether that's due to his not being particularly adept in the same way as Warren or preferring to put his own spin on the material isn't clear (except to Warren, apparently).
I'm not a guitarist, but I do know that technical proficiency isn't always a reasonable substitute for playing within the song, even when that means subtlety. And cheesiness aside, one of the things that bothered me about Warren from when he started to really put his mark on Duran Duran's recorded output (somewhere between Big Thing and Liberty, I believe) is that the complexity and mathematical precision of some of his guitar work felt (to my ears) to be far more clinical and soulless than the music deserved.
Andy may not be a navel-gazing muso like Warren, but I'd take his work with Duran Duran over his predecessor's eight days a week. Andy knew when to sit back in the groove and when to get loud, and that's something I never felt with any consistency in Warren's work.
I'm a drummer, and I'd equate what Andy did for Duran Duran with what Charlie Watts does for the Rolling Stones. Without showing off, Watts always manages to do just what the music needs. Andy plays with soul, and Warren plays with his brain. At least that's how it translates to my ears.
I've always appreciated what Warren did to keep the band rolling during the lean years, and while I absolutely loathe Medazzaland, I really do like Pop Trash quite a bit. Warren's contribution to the songwriting should also be recognized. But I never felt he was the right guitarist for Duran Duran, and if Andy's not in the picture, I'm perfectly happy with what Dom brings to the table.
Getting back to drumming, it's also worth noting that Roger doesn't play the drums quite the same way as some of the guys who played the music before him. He seems particularly out of his element on Notorious-era tracks like "Skin Trade" and the album's title track.
Here's "Skin Trade" live in 1987 featuring the song's original drummer, Steve Ferrone (currently a member of Tom Petty's Heartbreakers)...
And here's Roger playing on the song in 2007...
The quality of the first video isn't terribly strong, but if you're at all familiar with the album track, you can hear how Roger's take on it doesn't feature some of the funky elements (kick drum specifically, but also what he's doing on the snare and hi-hat as well). From my own experience, sometimes specific styles are more difficult to navigate than others. I'm quite comfortable in the funk idiom, for example, but have no skill whatsoever playing jazz (like Elvin Jones, one of my heroes). Roger is a great rock/disco/dance drummer, but he either can't quite get the hang of slight funk variations or he doesn't bother trying. As I absolutely adore the drums on Notorious and admire Roger tremendously, it's hard for me to hear how he plays songs like "Skin Trade" when I feel what Ferrone's style did for the original song was so vital.
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Post by thetange on Jun 8, 2010 17:26:50 GMT -5
Warren opted for an infantile, beeaatchy way of saying it, but he's not completely wrong: He and Andy are different types of guitarists. His butt-hurt competitiveness aside, the fact may remain that Andy simply wasn't comfortable playing some of Warren's parts. Whether that's due to his not being particularly adept in the same way as Warren or preferring to put his own spin on the material isn't clear (except to Warren, apparently). I'm not a guitarist, but I do know that technical proficiency isn't always a reasonable substitute for playing within the song, even when that means subtlety. And cheesiness aside, one of the things that bothered me about Warren from when he started to really put his mark on Duran Duran's recorded output (somewhere between Big Thing and Liberty, I believe) is that the complexity and mathematical precision of some of his guitar work felt (to my ears) to be far more clinical and soulless than the music deserved. Andy may not be a navel-gazing muso like Warren, but I'd take his work with Duran Duran over his predecessor's eight days a week. Andy knew when to sit back in the groove and when to get loud, and that's something I never felt with any consistency in Warren's work. I'm a drummer, and I'd equate what Andy did for Duran Duran with what Charlie Watts does for the Rolling Stones. Without showing off, Watts always manages to do just what the music needs. Andy plays with soul, and Warren plays with his brain. At least that's how it translates to my ears. I've always appreciated what Warren did to keep the band rolling during the lean years, and while I absolutely loathe Medazzaland, I really do like Pop Trash quite a bit. Warren's contribution to the songwriting should also be recognized. But I never felt he was the right guitarist for Duran Duran, and if Andy's not in the picture, I'm perfectly happy with what Dom brings to the table. Getting back to drumming, it's also worth noting that Roger doesn't play the drums quite the same way as some of the guys who played the music before him. He seems particularly out of his element on Notorious-era tracks like "Skin Trade" and the album's title track. Here's "Skin Trade" live in 1987 featuring the song's original drummer, Steve Ferrone (currently a member of Tom Petty's Heartbreakers)... And here's Roger playing on the song in 2007... The quality of the first video isn't terribly strong, but if you're at all familiar with the album track, you can hear how Roger's take on it doesn't feature some of the funky elements (kick drum specifically, but also what he's doing on the snare and hi-hat as well). From my own experience, sometimes specific styles are more difficult to navigate than others. I'm quite comfortable in the funk idiom, for example, but have no skill whatsoever playing jazz (like Elvin Jones, one of my heroes). Roger is a great rock/disco/dance drummer, but he either can't quite get the hang of slight funk variations or he doesn't bother trying. As I absolutely adore the drums on Notorious and admire Roger tremendously, it's hard for me to hear how he plays songs like "Skin Trade" when I feel what Ferrone's style did for the original song was so vital. Great post Stupes with lots of interesting observations. Not sure if I knew you were a drummer (I know Coolbarn is) or if I had just forgotten - but I have a question for you: you mentioned loathing Medazzaland but liking Pop Trash. I also quite like Pop Trash, despite a number of reasons not to - and one of the things I really like about that album is the drums. As a drummer, what do you think about the drum sound/performance on Pop Trash? I just really dig the drum sound on that album. I like Roger, but I do tend to think of him as an average drummer compared to, say, Steve Ferrone (Notorious/Big Thing/Ordinary World). (and Coolbarn, if you're reading......not sure if you like Pop Trash or not, but would be interested in hearing your take regarding the drums on that album [or any others....])
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Post by stuporfly on Jun 8, 2010 18:26:01 GMT -5
Great post Stupes with lots of interesting observations. Not sure if I knew you were a drummer (I know Coolbarn is) or if I had just forgotten - but I have a question for you: you mentioned loathing Medazzaland but liking Pop Trash. I also quite like Pop Trash, despite a number of reasons not to - and one of the things I really like about that album is the drums. As a drummer, what do you think about the drum sound/performance on Pop Trash? I just really dig the drum sound on that album. I like Roger, but I do tend to think of him as an average drummer compared to, say, Steve Ferrone (Notorious/Big Thing/Ordinary World). (and Coolbarn, if you're reading......not sure if you like Pop Trash or not, but would be interested in hearing your take regarding the drums on that album [or any others....]) In Roger's defense, I don't think he's only average. He does what he does, and he does it tremendously well. Furthermore, it works for Duran Duran (mostly). I do think Notorious would have been a completely different album had he not left the band, and I'm pleased his departure let them go in that direction. I think the drums are hit and miss on Pop Trash. I'm really into beats (I grew up loving early hip-hop, so I don't mind programming - I also think a lot of the beats on Red Carpet Massacre are top notch), and I don't always think they have to be played by a live drummer. If it's live, though, I prefer there to be a bit of personality in there, which is why I think the drums on "Playing With Uranium" (for example) are just okay. I believe the drums are programmed on tracks like "Lava Lamp" and "Hallucinating Elvis," and I think they're both a lot of fun. In fact, I'm not entirely sure I can tell definitively which tracks had live drums and which didn't, at least not the entire way through. The rhythms are good, though, and the drums - programmed or otherwise - generally work well on the album. A few songs are a bit dull, but it's a solid effort on all fronts as a whole. I've actually been a drummer since the age of 14, so to say I was inspired by Roger Taylor would be fair. But while I found inspiration in Duran Duran, I wouldn't say the drums were of a particular influence on me. I was first into punk (plus Mitch Mitchell and Keith Moon), followed by funk and soul. Lately I've been throwing a bit of Afrobeat into the mix as well. (That's me standing up during the psych-freak out finish of our set closer "Girls on Film") I actually play with some friends in a band called Chekhov's Wig, which basically puts the songs of Duran Duran through an indie-rock meatgrinder. Below is a video from Arlene's Grocery last summer... (Our guitarist Carl couldn't make the gig, but Tamara filled in admirably; For whatever reason, you can't hear Les' bass at all. You can actually see me at around the 2-minute mark - I'll have to have Mark give me some more face time with the camera next time we play!) There's more videos plus audio from that show at www.myspace.com/chekhovswig - The audio player also has "Lonely Business," "Box Full of Honey" and "The Valley," the latter two I think best represent my playing.
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Post by thetange on Jun 8, 2010 19:21:35 GMT -5
Great post Stupes with lots of interesting observations. Not sure if I knew you were a drummer (I know Coolbarn is) or if I had just forgotten - but I have a question for you: you mentioned loathing Medazzaland but liking Pop Trash. I also quite like Pop Trash, despite a number of reasons not to - and one of the things I really like about that album is the drums. As a drummer, what do you think about the drum sound/performance on Pop Trash? I just really dig the drum sound on that album. I like Roger, but I do tend to think of him as an average drummer compared to, say, Steve Ferrone (Notorious/Big Thing/Ordinary World). (and Coolbarn, if you're reading......not sure if you like Pop Trash or not, but would be interested in hearing your take regarding the drums on that album [or any others....]) In Roger's defense, I don't think he's only average. He does what he does, and he does it tremendously well. Furthermore, it works for Duran Duran (mostly). I do think Notorious would have been a completely different album had he not left the band, and I'm pleased his departure let them go in that direction. I think the drums are hit and miss on Pop Trash. I'm really into beats (I grew up loving early hip-hop, so I don't mind programming - I also think a lot of the beats on Red Carpet Massacre are top notch), and I don't always think they have to be played by a live drummer. If it's live, though, I prefer there to be a bit of personality in there, which is why I think the drums on "Playing With Uranium" (for example) are just okay. I believe the drums are programmed on tracks like "Lava Lamp" and "Hallucinating Elvis," and I think they're both a lot of fun. In fact, I'm not entirely sure I can tell definitively which tracks had live drums and which didn't, at least not the entire way through. The rhythms are good, though, and the drums - programmed or otherwise - generally work well on the album. A few songs are a bit dull, but it's a solid effort on all fronts as a whole. I've actually been a drummer since the age of 14, so to say I was inspired by Roger Taylor would be fair. But while I found inspiration in Duran Duran, I wouldn't say the drums were of a particular influence on me. I was first into punk (plus Mitch Mitchell and Keith Moon), followed by funk and soul. Lately I've been throwing a bit of Afrobeat into the mix as well. (That's me standing up during the psych-freak out finish of our set closer "Girls on Film") I actually play with some friends in a band called Chekhov's Wig, which basically puts the songs of Duran Duran through an indie-rock meatgrinder. Below is a video from Arlene's Grocery last summer... (Our guitarist Carl couldn't make the gig, but Tamara filled in admirably; For whatever reason, you can't hear Les' bass at all. You can actually see me at around the 2-minute mark - I'll have to have Mark give me some more face time with the camera next time we play!) There's more videos plus audio from that show at www.myspace.com/chekhovswig - The audio player also has "Lonely Business," "Box Full of Honey" and "The Valley," the latter two I think best represent my playing. Wow Stupes......great drumming. I'm impressed. And yeah, now that you mention your bands name, I definitely do remember you guys. I'm not as much a fan of programmed drums. I'm not saying I never like programmed drums.....I do like `em depending on the songs, but even listening to your playing - there's a human element there that hits me in a way that programmed drums don't seem to. And it's probably not even just the human thing......it's the whole overall sound. The electronic stuff can't replicate the natural variety of a stick hitting a drum. I risk being completely technically wrong here......but that's how I would describe the difference in what my ears hear with live vs. electronic drums.....the human element whether it's the timing or the actual variety sound based on exactly where the drum stick hits and how the drum responds to that hit. Having said that - I was a big Thompson Twins and Pet Shop Boys fan back in the day. The electronic stuff so suited Neil's voice and they were inventive in a way where the music didn't simply repeat over and over again.....they mixed things. I don't really like dance music, but I always did like the PSBs stuff - heck, even Axl Rod said on a number of occasions he liked them (I remember him being particularly complimentary of Being Boring, which inspired the GNR song, November Rain). I just don't like drum machines being so repeatative, just for the sake of keeping time. Always liked Terry Bozzio's drums with Missing Persons- just all over the freggin place on some songs. But it's interesting thing a lot of drummers, such as yourself, like the hip hop beats, etc. - but it kinda makes sense too. One of my old roomates from way back.......he was/is a professional jazz drummer......had a big kit in the living room at the time. And though he was more into stuff like the Yellow Jackets and the Police (in terms of "popular" stuff) - he liked electronic stuff as well. I remember playing him "All She Wants Is" and him programming that song into a keyboard. He did the drum track, then a synth track......and then another synth track (replicating the different sounds), etc., and in no time, he had the basic song carved out and sounding pretty good. Roger: I guess it's the drumming on the last coupla albums that sound average/generic to me. If I pretend I'd only heard the first Duran albums, Arcadia, and AVTAK - then yeah, I'd say he's a pretty awesome drummer. I also quite liked the early percussion effects that we don't really here him do anymore (the intro to the Seventh Stranger, for example). I always liked that stuff alot......gave the songs another texture.
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Post by coolbarn on Jun 8, 2010 22:03:35 GMT -5
(and Coolbarn, if you're reading......not sure if you like Pop Trash or not, but would be interested in hearing your take regarding the drums on that album [or any others....]) Hi Tange me old mucker, Of course I'm only too happy to give my opinion on Duran's drumming from album to album! Or on anything for that matter Basically I loved Roger's drumming from the first three records. The drums sounded powerful, and he used plenty of variety on the hi-hats (particularly on the first two albums). My personal favourite track is probably Friends Of Mine, as I love how Roger just throws everything at the hats and you never know what's coming next. I can't read music and have to rely solely on my relatively decent memory, so I remember feeling really proud the first time I played Friends Of Mine beat-perfect 100% as per the album. It does require a good memory to do it, but after you've done it a few times it becomes quite easy after that Of course all of Duran's early songs are fun to play along to, but the busier songs with plenty going on are always my favourites. The exception to this rule is New Religion - it's a relatively easy beat, but I just love the bassline and get lost in the song in my own little world playing along to this really cool and smooth groove. From the first three albums my only (minor) criticism of the percussion is Roger using all those overdubs. Roger is not an octopus and I don't expect him to play like one. In my opinion there is no need to have 16th notes on the hats playing in the background when Roger is playing a really cool fill; on records I prefer to have my drumming as natural and realistic as possible. And some of those electronic Tom overdubs border on going a little too far on some of the tracks. The percussion on Hold Back The Rain in particular not only borders the town of "Too Much" - it sends in occupational forces! The melody of the chorus of Hold Back The Rain is just so catchy and epic, but I find all that percussion a little distracting. I'm a drummer and even I feel it was a little too much. So Roger's drumming is great on the first three albums. Plenty of 16th notes, plenty of variety, and the drums sound powerful and get your attention without impeding the overall sound. My personal favourite tracks to drum along to are Friends Of Mine, Girls On Film, Nightboat, Sound Of Thunder, New Religion, Last Chance On The Stairway, and The Reflex (I'm one of the few who much prefer the album version to Nile's remix). Then we come to Arena. Live, Roger is always very solid. This is important for any drummer. Rog knows his limitations and sticks to them. Most of the tracks on Arena sound great - but sadly the hi-hats are down far too low in the mix and are really hard to hear. Roger remains relatively faithful to the originals and plays rock solid. The only exceptions to this are New Religion and The Chauffeur, which are not as good on the album. I don't mind deviation it it introduces more flair or technique, but on those two tracks the drumming was dumbed down. Why? Maybe Roger felt a low-key, simple approach was best? Certainly I can see that for The Chauffeur, but feel the drumming for New Religion is perfect on the album and wish Roger stayed true to that. But it's only a minor gripe Then we come to Notorious (well I guess we missed A View To A Kill where Roger does an admirable impression of Tony Thompson ). At first I was disappointed with the drumming of Notorious because I was just so used to Roger's sound and approach. The snare drum sounded quieter with more echo, and <gasp> Steve Ferrone didn't use 16th notes very often! But as I got older and wiser I realised just how cool Steve really was/is. Probably my favourite track to drum along to on Notorious is Proposition, but even the basic beats like Notorious and Skin Trade are fun as well. So Misled is one of the weaker tracks on the album, but I forgive it because the percussion is fun to play And then when I saw Working For The Skin Trade I was even more impressed. He doesn't overdo it or shows off, but little things like the hi-hat work in Simon's final "Sing Blue Silver" chant on The Chauffeur stood out to me for some reason. The drumming on Big Thing was very disappointing. Land is awesome, and I Don't Want Your Love is pretty cool, but the rest is terrible. Boring, minimalistic drumming with a tinny, weak snare sound. I couldn't believe that the drummer I loved on Notorious was responsible for much of the percussion on Big Thing. And John's bass sound was awful as well. If Big Thing had a meaty rhythm section, and replaced those interludes with I Believe/All I Need To Know, it would have been a much stronger album. Next up comes Sterling Campbell. Sound-wise the drumming on Liberty is okay. Strong enough without taking over the music. I'll just copy and paste something I posted recently at LizardKing because I've already wasted enough time today lol. Sterling was solid without producing anything incredible on Liberty. However I have the 'Big Milano Thing' live DVD from 1988, and it is live where Sterling really shines. Some of his bass-drum work in particular really stood out during that concert; I particularly like his drumming on Girls On Film and the instrumental jam at the end of the show. If you could combine a drummer that could use Sterling's kick-drum with Steve Ferrone's hi-hat work with Roger's all-round solidness then you'd really have one hell of a percussionist! The Wedding Album is pretty good, but Medazzaland sucked big time. In fact the entire rhythm section on Medazzaland is awful - I never thought I'd dislike a Duran Duran album as much as Medazzaland for that reason, but then they released Red Carpet Massacre and it blew Medazzaland out of the water for suckiness. To actually answer your question Tange (so much for succinct huh!) I really like the drumming on Pop Trash. Easily the best drum sound the band had used for years; it was back to being strong and being heard again. The actual playing itself was decent, with some unusual time signatures in songs like Starting To Remember and Last Day On Earth (which of course are both really fun and challenging to play). As a result I quite like Pop Trash, it had some really cool songs but probably too many "okay" songs. Someone Else Not Me, Lava Lamp, and Lady Xanax were okay without being brilliant. And the strong songs (Pop Trash, Mars Meets Venus, Starting To Remember, Playing With Uranium if sped up) were not brilliant, 'knock you out of your socks' strong. Astronaut was disappointing drum-wise. The sound of the drums was okay, but where was the variety? Everything was just cut and pasted which I hate. There was nothing there that said "I am Roger Taylor and I am back baby!". It was just boring, repetitive drumming that any basic drummer could play. And the less said about the RCM rhythm section the better. Deplorable. So there you go Tange. Most of the drumming in Duran's history has been great. Early Roger Taylor, most Steve Ferrone, and live Sterling Campbell stand out. The last two albums have been disappointing. Looking forward to some classic Roger next album, back to exciting drumming and variety. I don't want a basic beat looped unimaginatively for the duration of the song, I want it all live and all Roger. It takes longer to record this way but so what? That's what it takes to deliver a better sounding record.
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Post by thetange on Jun 9, 2010 0:31:13 GMT -5
I'm enjoying reading the great drum comments from our two resident drummers. Thanks for sharing your insight Coolbarn......really enjoyed the read.
It's interesting that both of you (Stupes and CoolB) dislike Medazzaland. I've always thought the production suffered on that one (though, generally speaking and with the exception of EB, I like the album) but now that you mention it, I don't know that I've paid much attention to the drums. On Pop Trash, the drums really stand out for me.
And Stupes comments on Pop Trash make me want to go back and listen again to the drums on each track. I've always assumed most of the songs had live drums with just the usual drum machine filler in spots. Hallucinating Elvis has some cool stuff going on, so if that's drum programming, then I'm going to have to refine my thoughts on programmed drums. The drums on RCM, unfortunately, don't do anything for me.
Agree with you, Coolbarn, @ Big Thing. The single version of IDWYL is great, and I like ASWI - but the album is uneven. I don't hate any of the songs......just seems like they needed some refining.
[listening to the 3 cd reissue of the Cure's Disitentergration album....specifically cd 2 which is made up of instrumental demos.......got my ears on the drums after all our drum talk]
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Post by MissNovemberTuesday on Jun 9, 2010 4:45:41 GMT -5
Getting back to drumming, it's also worth noting that Roger doesn't play the drums quite the same way as some of the guys who played the music before him. He seems particularly out of his element on Notorious-era tracks like "Skin Trade" and the album's title track. Here's "Skin Trade" live in 1987 featuring the song's original drummer, Steve Ferrone (currently a member of Tom Petty's Heartbreakers)... And here's Roger playing on the song in 2007... The quality of the first video isn't terribly strong, but if you're at all familiar with the album track, you can hear how Roger's take on it doesn't feature some of the funky elements (kick drum specifically, but also what he's doing on the snare and hi-hat as well). From my own experience, sometimes specific styles are more difficult to navigate than others. I'm quite comfortable in the funk idiom, for example, but have no skill whatsoever playing jazz (like Elvin Jones, one of my heroes). Roger is a great rock/disco/dance drummer, but he either can't quite get the hang of slight funk variations or he doesn't bother trying. As I absolutely adore the drums on Notorious and admire Roger tremendously, it's hard for me to hear how he plays songs like "Skin Trade" when I feel what Ferrone's style did for the original song was so vital. Wow! Thanx for that. I really enjoyed going back and forth from clip to clip in parts. I agree about the sound of the drums in the original. I also really liked the horns better in the first clip. Due to the sound issues, I couldn't hear John as well in the first, but thoroughly enjoyed him in the second. I wasn't honestly paying much attention to Nick or the guitars in either clip. But I must say I love how full and warm and smooth Simon's voice is in the latter clip. He has really changed and I love his richer sound now. And he still hits those notes. I don't care if he has a more concentrated look on his face while he is doing it. LOL! I just like hearing him do it.
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