karri205
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Post by karri205 on Jan 20, 2007 22:21:42 GMT -5
Lord help us all I have ovaries and I guarantee I would never vote for Billary or Hilliam or whatever you want to call her. *shudders at the thought* Though I consider myself Republican, that's not the entire reason. And I am too politically retarded to express what I want to say, so I'll shut up. Also - would some loverly Cannuck post about the Canadian health care system? I know what I've heard from other Americans, but I'd like to hear it from some one who actually lives there. (i.e. it doesn't work)
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Post by murderess on Jan 20, 2007 23:10:20 GMT -5
UGGGGGGGG NO WAY! Sanny, make room for me on that island if that woman wins. I greatly fear what will come of things if she wins. Like someone said, I hope women don't vote for her just because she is a woman OR just because she is a democrat. Do your research and decide by who is the best person for the job not just by their party.
All the politicians who have been around for a while ( with the most experience) aren't doing a good job as it is so I would definitely look into Obama. He has a lot to establish, I do agree but I will be looking into what he has to say from now on if he decides to run. Fresh blood might be what is needed.
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The Seventh Taylor
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Could someone please explain what's gonna happen tomorrow? Is there something I should know?
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Post by The Seventh Taylor on Jan 21, 2007 7:00:27 GMT -5
She'd have my vote if I had one. She's by far the wisest.
Whoever wins, please save the world from the shortsighted American unilateralism that the Bush administration has introduced.
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Post by iami on Jan 21, 2007 9:45:10 GMT -5
A friendly suggestion from your humble token Republican, i.e., ME.
If you want the Dems to win in 2008 and actually have a successful 4-8 years, please consider supporting Bill Richardson (New Mexico gov) who just announced he is running. The man has experience, including plenty of foreign diplomacy experience, is environmentally conscious, and is probably the most trustworthy of your potential candidates.
If the Repubs screw up their nomination (and there's at least a 50-50 chance they will), I would very seriously consider voting for Richardson. And I believe a lot of other Repubs would too.
iami
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Post by marisan on Jan 21, 2007 9:50:23 GMT -5
I'm hoping that she will win. Not for anything but for making history -- I want to see a female president once.
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Post by illumination70 on Jan 21, 2007 11:50:59 GMT -5
Cool, another person has thrown their hat into the Democrat nomination for presidency.
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joeystylez
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I AM THE GAME, I KNOW YOU CAN'T PLAY ME.[F4:Joey_Stylez]
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Post by joeystylez on Jan 21, 2007 12:03:18 GMT -5
I am not in favor of giving the government any further control over anything. That's how I feel. I further feel that the standard of care would decline under a nationalized (socialized) health care system. As far as being conservative....I am FISCALLY conservative, as I am pro-free market and anti-tax. Many of my personal social views, however, tend to be QUITE liberal. With that said, I am wholeheartedly against any governmental policy that fosters dependence and a sense of entitlement. I feel that the burden of society should be shouldered by the private sector and also feel that you cannot legislate and regulate morality. ETA: I won't be voting for Hillary or Barack but given the choice between the 2...I prefer Barack. Sanny, you and I are more alike politically then I ever thought. I too am a FISCAL conservative (I support a balanced budget, less taxation, some tax cuts and a lower tax bracket for all) and a SOCIAL liberal (sepration of church and state, no government instrusion in personal affairs, adherence to the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights). I also support free trade but there has to be some regulation on it. It's human nature to screw people over so you have to have some checks and balances in there to protect everyone. Far as anti-tax goes, my question is if you remove taxation, how would you propose funding everything that goes on in our country? It's nice to dream about the private sector carrying the burden of society but that has never worked...Hurricane katrina was a prime example of that. If the money doesn't come in through taxes, where does it come from? artful dodger, you and I could spend hours talking about the high crimes of Bush, Cheney and the band of criminals. The day I see any of those chickenhawks arrested for war crimes is the day I party it up. iami, good of you to mention Bill Richardson. he does have an impressive resume, plus he'd be the first Hispanic Prez (his mother was Mexican and his grandmother Nicaraguan). It's be nice to see someone with actual diplomatic expertise in the White House. For those of you flatly opposed to Hillary, I respect your views, but have yet to see a valid reason WHY you dislike her so much. I guarantee, at her worst, she will never be as bad as Murder Monkey has been.
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Post by iami on Jan 21, 2007 12:21:16 GMT -5
Joey, I think my main problem with Hillary is that she hailed from Arkansas, but set up shop in NY just so she could run for the senate. I can't recall anything in her past prior to that time that gave her any affinity for NY. In other words, I think she wants power (and a lot of it) much more than the good of the people.
iami
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Post by stuporfly on Jan 21, 2007 12:29:47 GMT -5
So far, Barack Obama is the most interesting Democratic candidate to me. Unlike Clinton, he's been against the war from the outset. Even at the Democratic National Convention in 2004, his speech stood out and made me want to pay attention. The fact that weak neo-con reporting from Fox News and other sources has largely focused on inconsequential nonsense like whether he smokes or some shot of him in a bathing suit. It's too early to tell, but he's got my interest.
Clinton, on the other hand, hasn't impressed me much in politics. I haven't seen her make any decisions that reminded me of the basic principles of the Democratic party. She seems to flow with her perception of popular opinion, and as all of Washington has learned lately, they really missed the boat on Iraq.
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sanman
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Post by sanman on Jan 21, 2007 12:37:23 GMT -5
i did not say that we should eliminate taxes completely. i simply said that i am anti-tax and i should amend that to say anti-tax authority. i am in support of a broad based consumption tax, as i would like to eliminate the IRS...probably the most inefficient bureaucratic MESS in existence. SMALLER GOV'T. LESS REACH.
given the current system, i think the pro-growth tax cuts for not only individuals but also big business have kept this economy strong and have helped it to grow stronger. the tax cuts provide more discretionary income to all and that income has been put back into the system...thus generating more tax revenue, even though it's taxed at a lower rate, there's more income to tax. the discretionary income has also been seen by MANY who have donated that money to causes they see worthy. that is what i mean by the private sector needs to support the public need. think Bill Gates...a prime example of someone who has given enormous amounts of money to help the public good. i also support, wholeheartedly, supplemental income generators such as toll roads, lotteries and gambling. these are "use if you choose" income generators that support the local public burden. i support pro-gambling legislation for this very reason and drive on toll roads when i have the chance.
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