wesq
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Post by wesq on Dec 16, 2021 13:24:12 GMT -5
Second fave album- love it!
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Post by coolbarn on Dec 17, 2021 22:52:35 GMT -5
AYNIN is an amazing album, as after RCM I was on the train that was heading quickly towards "Duran Duran are spent creatively, and could be extinct soon". AYNIN proved to me that Duran Duran could write a great album. An entire album (or close to it), where almost every song is awesome, and not just half the tracks. Put it this way - Rio is Duran Duran's only perfect record. A record where all nine songs are fantastic. Their debut comes close, but is let down by To The Shore and Tel Aviv. Replace those two with Faster Than Light, and Late Bar, and you have a record that is even better than Rio!
Duran's next three studio albums up to and including Big Thing were really good, with only a couple of filler tracks. Liberty was the first record to show the cracks. That album has beautiful songs like My Antarctica and Serious, but drivel like Downtown and Venice Drowning. Half of the record is underwhelming. The Wedding Album suffered similarly; the highlights are as good (with some being better!) than anything Duran Duran had ever done, but the other half of the record are lowlights. The only consistent album that Duran Duran released in a 15 year period was Astronaut, which didn't have much filler at all, but the highlights were nowhere near high enough. RCM was consistently disappointing, with only a few standout tracks, but then AYNIN appeared in all its glory. Sure those unnecessary instrumentals are craptacular, but that's just Duran Duran being Duran Duran. They love ruining records like that. The real songs were fantastic, barely any filler, and we had tracks like Leopard, Runway Runaway, Being Followed, TBYSB, Girl Panic, and Mediterranea which were as good as Duran had ever done. When the worst song on the album is Before The Rain, you know you have a special record. And if you take the nine best songs from AYNIN against Rio, you have some very serious competition. Other than the albums mentioned though, Duran Duran have been patchy. I know it's still too soon to criticise Future Past and get away with it. Duran's latest album is always the Sacred Cow with the fans until the next one comes out. Future Past is a lot more consistent than Paper Gods, but it doesn't have the same number of standout tracks either. Future Past only has a couple of amazing songs, but plenty of pleasant songs. And I'm pretty happy with that.
But even considering the amazing songs on Paper Gods, and the amazing consistency of Future Past, AYNIN has them covered in both areas - it is that good
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redmumba
PAPER GOD
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Post by redmumba on Dec 26, 2021 21:33:38 GMT -5
my memory must have failed me. I forgot that there was a standard version, albeit a limited run, of this album. They are really going for silly money. A 2014 reissue of the vinyl album recently sold for $257 Duran Duran All You Need is Now vinyl 2 lp - MINT - US $257.22 www.ebay.com/itm/125056331558
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Post by andre005 on Dec 26, 2021 23:28:06 GMT -5
AYNIN is an amazing album, as after RCM I was on the train that was heading quickly towards "Duran Duran are spent creatively, and could be extinct soon". AYNIN proved to me that Duran Duran could write a great album. An entire album (or close to it), where almost every song is awesome, and not just half the tracks. Put it this way - Rio is Duran Duran's only perfect record. A record where all nine songs are fantastic. Their debut comes close, but is let down by To The Shore and Tel Aviv. Replace those two with Faster Than Light, and Late Bar, and you have a record that is even better than Rio!
Duran's next three studio albums up to and including Big Thing were really good, with only a couple of filler tracks. Liberty was the first record to show the cracks. That album has beautiful songs like My Antarctica and Serious, but drivel like Downtown and Venice Drowning. Half of the record is underwhelming. The Wedding Album suffered similarly; the highlights are as good (with some being better!) than anything Duran Duran had ever done, but the other half of the record are lowlights. The only consistent album that Duran Duran released in a 15 year period was Astronaut, which didn't have much filler at all, but the highlights were nowhere near high enough. RCM was consistently disappointing, with only a few standout tracks, but then AYNIN appeared in all its glory. Sure those unnecessary instrumentals are craptacular, but that's just Duran Duran being Duran Duran. They love ruining records like that. The real songs were fantastic, barely any filler, and we had tracks like Leopard, Runway Runaway, Being Followed, TBYSB, Girl Panic, and Mediterranea which were as good as Duran had ever done. When the worst song on the album is Before The Rain, you know you have a special record. And if you take the nine best songs from AYNIN against Rio, you have some very serious competition. Other than the albums mentioned though, Duran Duran have been patchy. I know it's still too soon to criticise Future Past and get away with it. Duran's latest album is always the Sacred Cow with the fans until the next one comes out. Future Past is a lot more consistent than Paper Gods, but it doesn't have the same number of standout tracks either. Future Past only has a couple of amazing songs, but plenty of pleasant songs. And I'm pretty happy with that.
But even considering the amazing songs on Paper Gods, and the amazing consistency of Future Past, AYNIN has them covered in both areas - it is that good And yet AYNIN did not have 1 great radio hit like FP? AYNIN is a great album to die hard fans but did nothing for general public that DD was back..seeing a lot more kudos for FP though..I couldn't get anyone to play any songs from AYNIN...
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Post by coolbarn on Dec 27, 2021 3:18:28 GMT -5
And yet AYNIN did not have 1 great radio hit like FP? Andre, you know I love you and your over-zealous assessments of Duran Duran!
But please clarify that? Are you saying that AYNIN did not have 1 great radio hit just like FP (as in neither of them had a great radio hit), or are you saying that AYNIN did not have 1 great radio hit like FP [did]? If the former - correct; neither album had a great radio hit. Regardless, AYNIN is easily the superior album. If it is the latter, and considering the density of the lenses on your Duran Duran rose-coloured glasses I think it may be - please lay off the spiked Christmas egg-nog my friend! Future Past has not, and will not, have ANY "great radio hits". None of the songs will take off and take the public consciousness by storm. Getting a couple of plays at 11.30 PM on some radio station that nobody is paying attention to does not classify as a "great radio hit". (Waiting for some very unusual proof to contradict that. Perhaps look up some dance chart like you did for Sunrise, to justify that one being a "hit" ) If it is the latter, and the latest Coldplay album was getting the same reception and plays as Future Past, you would be gloating at what an overwhelming disappointment it is. But when it happens to Duran Duran, all of a sudden it becomes a "great radio hit".
AYNIN is a great album to die hard fans but did nothing for general public that DD was back Andre, I was simply talking about the quality of the music. Thank You, for example, sold a lot more copies than AYNIN did, and the general public were aware that Duran Duran were back, but I would hardly call Thank You a better record than AYNIN as a result. Andre write out the following one thousand times, and remember it for the future : SALES DO NOT EQUAL QUALITY. ..seeing a lot more kudos for FP though..I couldn't get anyone to play any songs from AYNIN... Regardless of all this radio play that you allege you are providing for Future Past, I guarantee that in twelve months' time, only diehard fans will remember Future Past as well, just like they did for All You Need Is Now. If a Duran Duran album could only be given kudos based on how many plays it got, then there wouldn't be many decently regarded albums since 1986 - which we know is not the case.
If you prefer Future Past to AYNIN that's cool - couldn't be happier for you. But even if Future Past sold one billion copies, got Duran Duran knighted, and its success made Simon Lebon the British Prime Minister, I would still prefer AYNIN.
PS: PM me when you have written out your lines. Sales do not equal quality.
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Post by andre005 on Dec 27, 2021 6:49:18 GMT -5
And yet AYNIN did not have 1 great radio hit like FP? Andre, you know I love you and your over-zealous assessments of Duran Duran!
But please clarify that? Are you saying that AYNIN did not have 1 great radio hit just like FP (as in neither of them had a great radio hit), or are you saying that AYNIN did not have 1 great radio hit like FP [did]? If the former - correct; neither album had a great radio hit. Regardless, AYNIN is easily the superior album. If it is the latter, and considering the density of the lenses on your Duran Duran rose-coloured glasses I think it may be - please lay off the spiked Christmas egg-nog my friend! Future Past has not, and will not, have ANY "great radio hits". None of the songs will take off and take the public consciousness by storm. Getting a couple of plays at 11.30 PM on some radio station that nobody is paying attention to does not classify as a "great radio hit". (Waiting for some very unusual proof to contradict that. Perhaps look up some dance chart like you did for Sunrise, to justify that one being a "hit" ) If it is the latter, and the latest Coldplay album was getting the same reception and plays as Future Past, you would be gloating at what an overwhelming disappointment it is. But when it happens to Duran Duran, all of a sudden it becomes a "great radio hit".
AYNIN is a great album to die hard fans but did nothing for general public that DD was back Andre, I was simply talking about the quality of the music. Thank You, for example, sold a lot more copies than AYNIN did, and the general public were aware that Duran Duran were back, but I would hardly call Thank You a better record than AYNIN as a result. Andre write out the following one thousand times, and remember it for the future : SALES DO NOT EQUAL QUALITY. ..seeing a lot more kudos for FP though..I couldn't get anyone to play any songs from AYNIN... Regardless of all this radio play that you allege you are providing for Future Past, I guarantee that in twelve months' time, only diehard fans will remember Future Past as well, just like they did for All You Need Is Now. If a Duran Duran album could only be given kudos based on how many plays it got, then there wouldn't be many decently regarded albums since 1986 - which we know is not the case. If you prefer Future Past to AYNIN that's cool - couldn't be happier for you. But even if Future Past sold one billion copies, got Duran Duran knighted, and its success made Simon Lebon the British Prime Minister, I would still prefer AYNIN. PS: PM me when you have written out your lines. Sales do not equal quality.
Anniversary was played on more radio stations than anything off AYNIN..that's a fact whether it's a hit is irrelevant as my local radio station had Anniversary on heavy rotation and you know due to ageism they would not chart regardless! The fact that I am hearing anything new by Duran after 17 years is AMAZING!! Show me where AYNIN made anyone's end of year list ...many of these are reputable rock magazines..show me where more than 1 song off AYNIN made BBC radio 2 A list? Show me last time any new Duran album hung around top 100 after 10 weeks after it's release on UK charts. Show me where CP's new album made anyone's end of year top 2021 list? I haven't seen one song off that album get talked by anyone ?? Go on You Tube and read the comments on what people were saying about Coldplays BBC radio 2 performance vs Duran's. .. no comparison! Double D's are relevant again thanks to FP!
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Post by coolbarn on Dec 27, 2021 19:34:50 GMT -5
Anniversary was played on more radio stations than anything off AYNIN..that's a fact whether it's a hit is irrelevant as my local radio station had Anniversary on heavy rotation and you know due to ageism they would not chart regardless! The fact that I am hearing anything new by Duran after 17 years is AMAZING!! Show me where AYNIN made anyone's end of year list ...many of these are reputable rock magazines..show me where more than 1 song off AYNIN made BBC radio 2 A list? Show me last time any new Duran album hung around top 100 after 10 weeks after it's release on UK charts. Show me where CP's new album made anyone's end of year top 2021 list? I haven't seen one song off that album get talked by anyone ?? Go on You Tube and read the comments on what people were saying about Coldplays BBC radio 2 performance vs Duran's. .. no comparison! Double D's are relevant again thanks to FP! So let me get this straight Andre. We're in a thread discussing the All You Need Is Now Album ten years (or thereabouts) on. I say it is a great album, comparing it to all of Duran's other albums, where I rank it as number three. And now you want to turn it into a discussion about Future Past making more of a public impact than AYNIN? Why don't you go and post in the Future Past Vs AYNIN thread instead?
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Post by zealous on Dec 27, 2021 19:42:44 GMT -5
but is let down by To The Shore and Tel Aviv. I kind of agree about tel aviv, although I don't skip it. But I didn't know about to the shore until waaaaay later, since we got ITSISK in the states. And when I discovered it I loved it immediately. It's weird, so I don't know if I'd have liked it as much if I'd heard it when I discovered the album. But it's one of the ones I listen to most even now.
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Post by aftertherain on Dec 28, 2021 2:48:14 GMT -5
There is no comparison regarding To The Shore VS Wing or Falling or What are the Chances or Leave A Light On or Mediterranea, just to compare more recent ballads IMO all these ballads are way better and superior than TTS
HOWEVER
Circa 1981, TTS suited what DD were doing at the time Eg they were an underground band / new romantic club band and for that time while considering their image at the time, it worked.
I’d like to add Tel Aviv is a perfect closure to that LP IMO, it’s theatrical and shows there’s a depth and way more to this band than simply 3 minute pop songs THANK GOD (as does NB and FOM).
As far as I’m concerned dd are no longer that band and haven’t been that band since the DD debut. I personally rejoice that this is the case and am grateful that this band don’t make the same LP twice. Sometimes I feel I am the only one on this board that sees this radical difference, indeed I see a major sound difference between DD debut and RIO but that’s just me.
In regards to the AYNIN LP, I remember RT including other members of the band saying “we’ve made an LP the fan base love/want” & all I could think of is “hmm that’s great DD, but what about yourselves don’t you love it?” Interestingly DD have never played anything from AYNIN live since that AYNIN tour, yet they have played ‘pressure off’ of late from PGs.
Personally of all DD LPs, I listen to AYNIN the least, I find it too predictable and it’s not what I want dd to be, so I guess going by the posts on this board I’m a lucky one.
My perspective has nothing to do with sales or chart positions, it has to do with whether the LP moves me or not and AYNIN doesn’t move me as much, it simply covers old ground which is a case of dd having been there and done that.
I honestly believe dd will play nothing from the AYNIN LP live in future because they cover that sound with the similar sounding songs that did chart back I the day and are familiar to many. SO why would they play something in the same vein that the masses have not heard of before. I imagine they are challenging themselves personally by playing something non familiar to fans which doesn’t sound like their initial sound as opposed to a non familiar song which incorporates their early sound and in addition released on an independent label.
I could be wrong? Time will tell.
Im just thankful that the PGs and FP don’t sound too similar to the AYNIN LP
Maybe I embrace change too much? Change stimulates my mind at least !
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Post by coolbarn on Dec 28, 2021 19:44:04 GMT -5
I kind of agree about tel aviv, although I don't skip it. But I didn't know about to the shore until waaaaay later, since we got ITSISK in the states. And when I discovered it I loved it immediately. It's weird, so I don't know if I'd have liked it as much if I'd heard it when I discovered the album. But it's one of the ones I listen to most even now. That is such a good point - when and where you hear things certainly can help determine your love and feelings for a song. When I first got Duran's debut album, Is There Something I Should Know was not on there. I just felt To The Shore was very boring compared to all of the other exciting songs on that record. Funnily enough, when I got the CD, To The Shore HAD been replaced by Is There Something I Should Know. I originally thought "Wow, that is a much better album now (even though I knew ITSISK was not an official track). However, after a few years, I came across a debut album CD that did have To The Shore on it, and so because I am an idiot and wanted to hear it again (even though it is inferior to the other tracks), I shelled out the price of an entire CD just for one song. God bless the internet, where we can now stream tracks at will And it was nice to hear it on CD again after all those years, even though it wasn't my favourite. It bought back memories of a certain mate of mine sarcastically saying (in regards to the "oooh oooh oooh To The Shore's" at the end of the song) "Wow, this song has some amazing lyrics. Did the singer just forget all the words at the end"?
It's not that I don't like slower tempo songs - Wing and Falling are my favourites off Future Past, The Universe Alone and What Are The Chances are among my favourites off Paper Gods, and Mediterranea is close to my favourite off AYNIN. When Duran Duran get slower songs right, they probably grab me more than their quicker tempo songs, as they just have this amazing emotional content to them. But sadly they don't always get them right. For example I love Wing and Falling off Future Past, but the title track bores me to tears, and is the worst song on the album. Plenty of fans love it, but to me it just plods along and has no hook. The emotional element of the song can't grab me, if the music, tune, and melody doesn't grab me. Many fans say "Oh, but the debut album would be repetitive if it was just all faster tempo tracks, so To The Shore makes a nice break". I think a lot of that is justification in hindsight, essentially post-purchase rationalization. I guarantee that when the Original Album came out, if Late Bar had replaced To The Shore, and Faster Than Light had replaced Tel Aviv, everyone here would still have loved the record. I know I would have - that tracklisting makes for a FAR superior album. I doubt there would be anybody saying "But where is the slower ballad"?, or "But where is the instrumental"?. In fact anybody who expressed those thoughts would probably be shot down, being informed that we have an amazing record, and should just be thankful that Duran Duran are still making music At the end of the day - I just want 12 great songs on a Duran Duran album that I don't have to skip. I don't care if they are all fast, all medium, or all slow. I love Duran Duran's good slow songs, I love Duran Duran's good mid-tempo songs, and I love Duran Duran's good fast rock songs. I don't need variety in the one album from Duran Duran to love their music - I just need greatness in every track. Easily done, right
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