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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 9:36:58 GMT -5
With them being signed to a major US label I would have thought that they would dictate what the best promotion strategy would be. The Billboard performance will be globally available once it's be aired in some form (YouTube etc) Hopefully they will coincide that with UK TV and Radio promotion of some kind. Gotta be a little bit positive haven't we John? You know if it was just me who was banging a drum then I’d find a quiet corner and let everybody get on with it. Besides, what makes you think I’m not positive? Lol. Ive already stated that I’m excited for the new music - especially seeing the band in punk gear. Simon’s pout in the image at the Apollo tells it all. To be honest the thought of a potentially brilliant album not getting listened to by *rest of world* is sacrilege. Sorry though, I’ll be beating myself up over it until the end of my days.
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Post by stopdead on May 13, 2021 10:15:52 GMT -5
Skinburn...Please know that I respect your passion. You're always quick to criticize but I haven't seen any suggested solutions. I’m sincerely curious how you would make DD successful if it were up to you. And how would you pay for it? Nobody here has seen the books. We don’t know what the expenses are and we don’t know what sales revenue, gross profit, or net profit looks like for the band. It's a fact that physical recorded music is a niche market, download sales are falling as streaming services continue to grow (where royalties are apparently minuscule), and live shows aren’t happening so there isn't much in terms of revenue right now that would pay for publicity and promotion. What would you do that is so much better that would push the band to the next level?
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Post by naturalbornduranie on May 13, 2021 11:18:20 GMT -5
Skinburn...Please know that I respect your passion. You're always quick to criticize but I haven't seen any suggested solutions. I’m sincerely curious how you would make DD successful if it were up to you. And how would you pay for it? Nobody here has seen the books. We don’t know what the expenses are and we don’t know what sales revenue, gross profit, or net profit looks like for the band. It's a fact that physical recorded music is a niche market, download sales are falling as streaming services continue to grow (where royalties are apparently minuscule), and live shows aren’t happening so there isn't much in terms of revenue right now that would pay for publicity and promotion. What would you do that is so much better that would push the band to the next level? some people are here just for the moan ,at least skinburn is likeable,but there a lot
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 11:29:06 GMT -5
Skinburn...Please know that I respect your passion. You're always quick to criticize but I haven't seen any suggested solutions. I’m sincerely curious how you would make DD successful if it were up to you. And how would you pay for it? Nobody here has seen the books. We don’t know what the expenses are and we don’t know what sales revenue, gross profit, or net profit looks like for the band. It's a fact that physical recorded music is a niche market, download sales are falling as streaming services continue to grow (where royalties are apparently minuscule), and live shows aren’t happening so there isn't much in terms of revenue right now that would pay for publicity and promotion. What would you do that is so much better that would push the band to the next level? Thankyou.. and I also offer mutual respect in return. You are what I would perceive a consistent poster on here, irrespective of how busy it is - which makes the forum an interesting place to debate. DD’s revenue is naturally not our business. Duran Duran Ltd are a business to provide a form of entertainment in return for payment. I agree that their financial resources will be limited during these unprecedented times. Now I don’t claim to be an expert on band management. I’ve never had the opportunity nor have I been in a position where somebody has asked me what I would do ‘to push the band to the next level’. Without seeing those books I wouldn’t know what to suggest. However, I’m sure DDHQ will be working on percentages of profit to meet criteria to pay staff salaries from the proceeds of royalties to the band. It seems very odd that while artists created opportunities for themselves by performing via pay per view channels and then making those ‘lockdown’ shows available on either CD or vinyl, Duran Duran were choosing not to participate, for whatever reasons. I still find it surprising. There’s nothing like *real* branding to look at and appreciate. Nick Rhodes should know about that when he visits art galleries. Well, it’s the same for fans who appreciate DD’s artwork. Streaming fails to produce the same effect for obvious reasons. Here’s some trivia - did you know that by purchasing a downloadable album the artist receives the same amount of royalties he /she would do if it was streamed every day on Spotify for three years? I’d provide the band a marketplace in every part of the world (where DD could sell their music) with third party labels who could then press vinyl and CD on the band’s behalf. Townsend Music would be an excellent start for the U.K..They are market leaders now, with many big names on their books, from present day and from the eighties. If you want a list I can make one for you. But here is their website if you want to have a look. If it’s good enough for Noel Gallagher and Kylie Minogue well.. www.townsend-music.com/This would provide an essential platform to promote themselves. DD are hardly represented on the internet - they are not enjoying a share of what is rightly theirs. While their peers remain in the spotlight, DD are the ones who are left by the wayside. I tell you now DD would reap the rewards of joining an affiliate programme such as Townsend. It’s not down to me to work out costs. As stated I’m not privy to their books - that is upto Magus. That’s what they’re supposedly paid to do. The odd show here and there is not adequate. Sure it’s better than nothing. But Billboard doesn’t ring the bell for me. It’s consistency that’s lacking. Not enough is been done and it has slowly got worse over the years. Even Covid BC (before Covid) it was the same so we can’t blame everything on Covid. Anyway, I have to play badminton. I hope this little input helps!
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Post by missing on May 13, 2021 13:03:03 GMT -5
I still have to say...whoever set that STAY TUNED sm post the other day should be given their walking papers. That was something a 7 year old would do create.
(No offense to 7 year olds)
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Post by Rabbit Dog on May 13, 2021 14:29:46 GMT -5
I still have to say...whoever set that STAY TUNED sm post the other day should be given their walking papers. That was something a 7 year old would do create. (No offense to 7 year olds) I wouldn't have minded if it was deliberately lo-fi just to contrast with a snazzy new snippet of artwork for the new single the next day. But no, that was it.
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Post by stopdead on May 13, 2021 14:45:11 GMT -5
I still have to say...whoever set that STAY TUNED sm post the other day should be given their walking papers. That was something a 7 year old would do create. (No offense to 7 year olds) I wouldn't have minded if it was deliberately lo-fi just to contrast with a snazzy new snippet of artwork for the new single the next day. But no, that was it. It was likely just something that Katy slapped together. It didn't bother me. It wasn't like it was a formal announcement. It was just a silly teaser for a formal (and professional looking) announcement. I doubt that Katy will be handling artwork for album promo.
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Post by Rabbit Dog on May 13, 2021 14:46:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't have minded if it was deliberately lo-fi just to contrast with a snazzy new snippet of artwork for the new single the next day. But no, that was it. It was likely just something that Katy slapped together. It didn't bother me. It wasn't like it was a formal announcement. It was just a silly teaser for a formal (and professional looking) announcement. I doubt that Katy will be handling artwork for album promo. Let's hope not!
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Post by stopdead on May 13, 2021 15:17:41 GMT -5
Skinburn...Please know that I respect your passion. You're always quick to criticize but I haven't seen any suggested solutions. I’m sincerely curious how you would make DD successful if it were up to you. And how would you pay for it? Nobody here has seen the books. We don’t know what the expenses are and we don’t know what sales revenue, gross profit, or net profit looks like for the band. It's a fact that physical recorded music is a niche market, download sales are falling as streaming services continue to grow (where royalties are apparently minuscule), and live shows aren’t happening so there isn't much in terms of revenue right now that would pay for publicity and promotion. What would you do that is so much better that would push the band to the next level? Thankyou.. and I also offer mutual respect in return. You are what I would perceive a consistent poster on here, irrespective of how busy it is - which makes the forum an interesting place to debate. DD’s revenue is naturally not our business. Duran Duran Ltd are a business to provide a form of entertainment in return for payment. I agree that their financial resources will be limited during these unprecedented times. Now I don’t claim to be an expert on band management. I’ve never had the opportunity nor have I been in a position where somebody has asked me what I would do ‘to push the band to the next level’. Without seeing those books I wouldn’t know what to suggest. However, I’m sure DDHQ will be working on percentages of profit to meet criteria to pay staff salaries from the proceeds of royalties to the band. It seems very odd that while artists created opportunities for themselves by performing via pay per view channels and then making those ‘lockdown’ shows available on either CD or vinyl, Duran Duran were choosing not to participate, for whatever reasons. I still find it surprising. There’s nothing like *real* branding to look at and appreciate. Nick Rhodes should know about that when he visits art galleries. Well, it’s the same for fans who appreciate DD’s artwork. Streaming fails to produce the same effect for obvious reasons. Here’s some trivia - did you know that by purchasing a downloadable album the artist receives the same amount of royalties he /she would do if it was streamed every day on Spotify for three years? I’d provide the band a marketplace in every part of the world (where DD could sell their music) with third party labels who could then press vinyl and CD on the band’s behalf. Townsend Music would be an excellent start for the U.K..They are market leaders now, with many big names on their books, from present day and from the eighties. If you want a list I can make one for you. But here is their website if you want to have a look. If it’s good enough for Noel Gallagher and Kylie Minogue well.. www.townsend-music.com/This would provide an essential platform to promote themselves. DD are hardly represented on the internet - they are not enjoying a share of what is rightly theirs. While their peers remain in the spotlight, DD are the ones who are left by the wayside. I tell you now DD would reap the rewards of joining an affiliate programme such as Townsend. It’s not down to me to work out costs. As stated I’m not privy to their books - that is upto Magus. That’s what they’re supposedly paid to do. The odd show here and there is not adequate. Sure it’s better than nothing. But Billboard doesn’t ring the bell for me. It’s consistency that’s lacking. Not enough is been done and it has slowly got worse over the years. Even Covid BC (before Covid) it was the same so we can’t blame everything on Covid. Anyway, I have to play badminton. I hope this little input helps! I suspect that financial resources are limited right now. The only DD employee that I know of is Katy and I'm not sure if that's even a full time gig or if she's even technically a DD employee. She may be an employee of Magus. I doubt that the band is going to dip into their personal savings to pay for anything so they rely on revenue streams and (maybe) a record company to pay for album production. I agree that more product would be nice and Townsend Music seems like a good way to go, but maybe DD has a contract that prohibits them from selling their music this way. We just don't know. I know you're not a fan of Wendy or Katy and I'm sure that no matter who was running the show there would be criticism, but I'm struggling to identify many "peers" that are operating at a higher (more profitable) level than DD right now. U2, Def Leppard, and Bon Jovi are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head and all three of them have slowed down their output as well. There aren't many other bands that peaked in the 80's that are still together *and* making new music anymore. Who among them are outpacing Duran Duran? Maybe the metrics that Magus sees that we don't tell them that the products you want from the band simply don't pencil. The fact of the matter is we don't know much of anything. We can only speculate. My speculation is based on my being a business owner who thinks in terms of profit and loss and there is a business case for every dollar I spend. All things considered, I don't have a problem with the way Duran Duran are managed and I'm thrilled that we're about to get new music from them which I don't think we would be hearing if they were poorly managed.
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