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Post by trevgreg on Apr 20, 2019 21:04:07 GMT -5
Besides the industry has changed, DD (SLB, NR, RT, JT) don't make as much $, they are umm way older these days, interested in best bang for thier buck, while they're protecting thier brand and its heritage. I would be very surprised if the band made significantly less now than they did in their hey-day. Nowadays, the bulk of money for bigger acts comes from touring, and Duran hasn't really had a shortage of shows in recent years or tours. Then factor in skyrocketing ticket costs and "VIP" labeling on top of it, and really no "over the top" stage production, and I imagine there's a good chunk left over for acts once the middle men are paid. I don't know what their financial situation was back in the day of album sales constituting the bulk of things, but I wouldn't doubt they've done okay for themselves in recent years. As for the rest of the "revived" discussion (holy cow!), I pretty much back up what's always been said about the current situation. The four-member lineup has been going on for 12+ years now, so why change a thing that works in their eyes? And obviously Dom seems happy with the arrangement and sticks around, while the band can occasionally bring in a Frusciante or Coxon to fill in and contribute something.
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Post by aftertherain on Apr 20, 2019 21:39:21 GMT -5
Besides the industry has changed, DD (SLB, NR, RT, JT) don't make as much $, they are umm way older these days, interested in best bang for thier buck, while they're protecting thier brand and its heritage. I would be very surprised if the band made significantly less now than they did in their hey-day. Nowadays, the bulk of money for bigger acts comes from touring, and Duran hasn't really had a shortage of shows in recent years or tours. Then factor in skyrocketing ticket costs and "VIP" labeling on top of it, and really no "over the top" stage production, and I imagine there's a good chunk left over for acts once the middle men are paid. I don't know what their financial situation was back in the day of album sales constituting the bulk of things, but I wouldn't doubt they've done okay for themselves in recent years. As for the rest of the "revived" discussion (holy cow!), I pretty much back up what's always been said about the current situation. The four-member lineup has been going on for 12+ years now, so why change a thing that works in their eyes? And obviously Dom seems happy with the arrangement and sticks around, while the band can occasionally bring in a Frusciante or Coxon to fill in and contribute something. Agree TG In regards to touring/making money I get they still do However when taking into account back in the day they were playing massive gigs X 2 Madison Square gigs in 84 & X 2 Madison Square gigs again in 87 including all the merchandise sold that such numbers at gigs attract. In 83 DD played to a 12,000 seater outdoor tennis centre in my home town & unfortunately I doubt they ever do a crowd like that (in my home town) ever again. The fact that those early LPs sold millions each, I'm not sure that the/their industry these days is as rewarding. You could be right tho Totally agree with with 4 member + 12 years & Dom thing
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Post by trevgreg on Apr 20, 2019 23:00:57 GMT -5
Yeah, that's exactly why I hesitated to say if it was in fact lower or higher one way or another. I have no clue what they were making back in the day with not just the $1-2 per album sales, but all the merchandise and shows that came back then too. Obviously, they did pretty well for themselves around that time, considering how big they were. But depending on how people wrote up the contracts or spent the money, who knows what it ultimately added up to? Either way, I can't imagine them not making a decent living based on the name alone these days. And with their time in the business and the right people advising them, they can probably make a lot more of those numbers work in their favor.
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Post by medazzaboy1997 on Apr 21, 2019 9:03:28 GMT -5
This whole situation is bad and frustrating. Duran Duran without a guitarist. Can you imagine U2 without The Edge, Queen without Brian May or The Stones without Keith Richards ....?
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Post by aftertherain on Apr 21, 2019 9:49:06 GMT -5
This whole situation is bad and frustrating. Duran Duran without a guitarist. Can you imagine U2 without The Edge, Queen without Brian May or The Stones without Keith Richards ....? Thats exactly why I have a hard time forgiving AT for leaving the first time let alone leaving again for the second time. DD changed thier sound for him with the Wild Boys and AVTAK and Andy got his rock fix with the power station yet it still wasn't enough for him. He wanted to be a rock n roll centre stage solo star, sue DD & have em change thier name amongst other things So disappointing really, he killed DD from being the world's biggest band and u2 took over What is a band (especially in the USA) without a bonafide guitarist. Like what are DD to do? give him a third chance umm It must be asked then, does he deserve it ?
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Post by dangerousthunder on Apr 21, 2019 10:31:24 GMT -5
I would love to see Andy included in the 40th Anniversary somehow. I know he will probably never be back in the band again (I'll still hold out hope), but I would love to see him play a few songs with the guys. I think Duran remains a 4 piece because I'm sure there will be opportunities in the future which could mean a big payday for the original 5. After all, it's the music business. I also suspect that the band will be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame within the next couple of years. At this time it would be great for the band to release a huge box set including Reportage.
As I've grown older I don't blame Andy for leaving in 1986. At that time he was starting a family and was offered huge amounts of money for a solo career. In fact, there was a bidding war for him. If I was in my mid-twenties at that time with huge amounts of money in front of me I would go where the money is. Like Andy said in the Behind the Music episode, it was all carrot with no stick. I'm sure in hindsight he probably wished he stayed, but I don't think he regrets it either.
I also need to remind people that Andy didn't leave the second time around, he was fired. So to say that he's left twice is not really accurate. He left once, and was fired once. I will always have mad respect for the guy. His guitar playing is incredible and every group needs a bull terrier. I'm glad I got to see him twice with the band and hope to see him again.
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Post by robertaganese on Apr 21, 2019 12:44:08 GMT -5
If I was Andy and I heard the band was gonna sell out by working with Timbaland and Timberlake, I would have left too.
He is the only one with true integrity.
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Post by aftertherain on Apr 21, 2019 17:41:25 GMT -5
I respect dangerousthunder's previous post and agree with some parts
I'd like to see Andy back too in some form, I can't see him creating again although it would be interesting if that was to happen.
TBH the ideal situation would be a DD gig/tour where AT plays his songs & WC plays his however that I can't see this happening either.
The bit about Andy being fired I'm not sure about based on what I've just read in Andy's book. Pg 255 "History repeats itself, Why I am no longer in DD"
AT talks about feeling pressure building, being tired of the creative difficulties, personally enjoying more booze than was healthy, his old habits returning making him react badly to others, berating the tour manager and personally having several blazing rows with management over money, feeling low, financial tensions, not coping with his fathers death, his daughter being hospitalised due to a car accident, Sony rejecting Reportage, feeling disconnected with the real world, his need to take a long hard look at himself including take care of himself and being diagnosed with clinical depression.
That whole chapter mentions nothing about being fired.
He talks of the his failed arranged visa and how it wasn't the end of the world but was the straw that broke the camels back.
I'm not an Andy hater, just reiterating his words from his book.
With my work I must travel abroad also and if I know of an impending an overseas "working" conference it's MY responsibility to ensure I have a valid travel visa. Thing is I'm not a rock star but nevertheless I am an adult. Here's how I see it, If I can arrange a valid visa for my families personal overseas holidays (which I'm sure Andy's seen many family holidays between 87 thru to 2000), I myself can certainly "as an adult" ensure that my visa is valid for an impending work conference in New Zealand, Noumea, China or wherever for that matter.
Unless of-course I have no interest in attending the conference thereby it would be easy to expect that it's someone else's duty to arrange for me (pass the blame) and thereby create further issues.
Just saying !
Again I'd love to see him back but can't see it working long term and I can't deny that every-time AT departs from DD, personally it's disappointing that AT with DD can't be a happening thing.
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Post by oakey on Apr 22, 2019 1:03:55 GMT -5
This whole situation is bad and frustrating. Duran Duran without a guitarist. Can you imagine U2 without The Edge, Queen without Brian May or The Stones without Keith Richards ....? That would be weird, Queen without Mercury or John Deacon. O wait, that has been the lineup since 1992. Or New Order without Hooky... Or Duran without Andy Taylor
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Post by americanscientist on Apr 22, 2019 7:45:08 GMT -5
I have a feeling Andy will be involved in some capacity for the 40th. He's too important to their legacy to ignore. Please remember that DD would not have broken America without his riffs. MTV played a vital role in breaking the band, but Andy's songwriting chops and T Rex riff on HLTW helped propel them on American radio. Without him, they are just another British synth band.
I totally understand DD's preference in having an open guitar chair though. Brown, Frusciante, Jones and Rodgers all brought a different flavor to Paper Gods. I just wish there was more of that flavor on the album. Excited to hear Coxon's contribution.
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