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Post by andre005 on Apr 22, 2019 11:05:27 GMT -5
I would love to see Andy included in the 40th Anniversary somehow. I know he will probably never be back in the band again (I'll still hold out hope), but I would love to see him play a few songs with the guys. I think Duran remains a 4 piece because I'm sure there will be opportunities in the future which could mean a big payday for the original 5. After all, it's the music business. I also suspect that the band will be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame within the next couple of years. At this time it would be great for the band to release a huge box set including Reportage. As I've grown older I don't blame Andy for leaving in 1986. At that time he was starting a family and was offered huge amounts of money for a solo career. In fact, there was a bidding war for him. If I was in my mid-twenties at that time with huge amounts of money in front of me I would go where the money is. Like Andy said in the Behind the Music episode, it was all carrot with no stick. I'm sure in hindsight he probably wished he stayed, but I don't think he regrets it either. I also need to remind people that Andy didn't leave the second time around, he was fired. So to say that he's left twice is not really accurate. He left once, and was fired once. I will always have mad respect for the guy. His guitar playing is incredible and every group needs a bull terrier. I'm glad I got to see him twice with the band and hope to see him again. Andy was fired because he was a no-show---He chose to no longer be in the band--I find it hard that the guys would all let him go...He made excuses to not be there so it falls on him--unworkable gulf if you don't show up to work?
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Post by heskethbang on Apr 22, 2019 12:25:09 GMT -5
Andy, Warren - left, pushed - whatever - they're both great. But they are the past. I think Duran is far less listenable without a prominent guitarist.
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Post by aftertherain on Apr 22, 2019 16:58:46 GMT -5
I would love to see Andy included in the 40th Anniversary somehow. I know he will probably never be back in the band again (I'll still hold out hope), but I would love to see him play a few songs with the guys. I think Duran remains a 4 piece because I'm sure there will be opportunities in the future which could mean a big payday for the original 5. After all, it's the music business. I also suspect that the band will be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame within the next couple of years. At this time it would be great for the band to release a huge box set including Reportage. As I've grown older I don't blame Andy for leaving in 1986. At that time he was starting a family and was offered huge amounts of money for a solo career. In fact, there was a bidding war for him. If I was in my mid-twenties at that time with huge amounts of money in front of me I would go where the money is. Like Andy said in the Behind the Music episode, it was all carrot with no stick. I'm sure in hindsight he probably wished he stayed, but I don't think he regrets it either. I also need to remind people that Andy didn't leave the second time around, he was fired. So to say that he's left twice is not really accurate. He left once, and was fired once. I will always have mad respect for the guy. His guitar playing is incredible and every group needs a bull terrier. I'm glad I got to see him twice with the band and hope to see him again. Andy was fired because he was a no-show---He chose to no longer be in the band--I find it hard that the guys would all let him go...He made excuses to not be there so it falls on him--unworkable gulf if you don't show up to work? In his own book & in his own words AT doesn't say he was fired? It's exactly what I was looking for to read him say "I was fired", & he doesn't. AT does however mention a whole lot of other issues eg like loosing a parent, (well so did JT and how many others of us have, who still go to work and carry on), he mentions his daughter's hospitilastion (like how many of us have had children visit a hospital due to an accident be it severe or not do severe). My child had an accident resulting in a skull fracture, I took a week off and got on with my life as I knew it. What I read in that chapter (Why I'm no longer in DD) was that he confessed that he was drinking too much, he had many arguments with the management and band over this that or the other. What I do know is that it is a TRYING time in my book, for others when attempting to work collectively as a team and one particular member has issues/or is under the influence as confessed by AT himself. In my previous post I have word for word quoted what AT has said in that particular chapter. Personally I don't find it hard that the guys would let him go, (if they did as you suggest) after all previously AT had "shitted all over DD" way back in 86, hence he should have learnt that he ought to change his ways to an extent or the same outcome would result. Which it obviously and enevitivley did ! Err Umm lets blame Nick coz "Sony rejected Reportage" If we put ourselves in DD's position, eg you have been deserted once by an individual and they've gone all out to sue you while crap all over you and sabotage your business (take legal action to change your business name). You forgive and give them a second chance only to discover it's the same old same old attitude and character. Life is to short for such pain TBH I know who's side I'm on based on what ive read, seen and lived thru since (DD's conception 1981) & that's the four hearts that currently beat in DD (it's a devotion thing). yet if others wish to differ from my opinion and those 4 currently beating DD hearts, feel free ! Its only a matter of opinion, that's all it is.
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Post by oakey on Apr 23, 2019 1:27:17 GMT -5
Duran is just a bussiness these days. They started the band to be famous and they had the talent to do so (with help of their managers). If they had to remix their album for the "American market" they did not hesitate for a moment. They succeeded, became a household name, with all the sex, drugs and rock and roll (well pop), that comes with it. Then two members leave, the rest struggles on, selling less and less albums, another member leaves, with their only audience left in the casinos of the USA and Russia.
Somewhere on their timeline there was a new drummer who became a member and a new guitarist, both musical talents, but the drummer was too young and wanted to party and the guitarist - being the only real musician - became too bossy in converting the Britpop band they were into an American rock outfit. This outfit managed to get one minor hit outside the US. The new guitarist eventually gets kicked out.
Then they reunite with the original 5, gaining some momentum, until old habits kick in again and one member is kicked out again. The rest then struggles on etc. etc. And now it's 2019.
Did they make decent albums after 1986? Yes, some were certainly more than decent (others were a disaster though). Were these legendary? Not at all. So that's why AT has more rights than WC in my book.
Just like Roger Waters, Peter Hook, Jimmy Sommerville, Siobhan Fahey, Alan Wilder, Lol Tolhurst, Holly Johnson, Bruce Di*kinson (why can I not type his name?) etc. They can - and have - all been replaced, most of the times by better musicians, but is that relevant? No. And not many know the names of their successors.
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Post by andre005 on Apr 23, 2019 9:27:31 GMT -5
Andy, Warren - left, pushed - whatever - they're both great. But they are the past. I think Duran is far less listenable without a prominent guitarist. I disagree..Dom is very capable..he's just not maybe allowed to RIP it..he was amazing on AYNIN..being followed he rocked it ala Andy. He was spectacular on Mediterranea..and check him in extended version of Falling Down... 2 of my favorite guitar driven songs by new Duran
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Post by madoldlu on Apr 23, 2019 10:47:44 GMT -5
I’m wondering if Andy or Warren would be willing to be a guest guitarist in the coming album or any future albums, in the same way John Frusciante was: just send them the tracks and they can lay their guitar parts over them.
It just seems like the actual writing dynamic simply doesn’t work anymore between the band and AT/WC. Dom seems to work for them because it seems that he’s agreeable and compliant to the rest of the band. They ask him for a certain kind of riff, he provides it (probably) without much drama. Basically Dom knows his place as a hired gun who is at their service and this arrangement seems to work for everyone. Dom gets songwriting credits on the ones he significantly contributed to, so he’ll be getting royalties for that. Plus I’m sure he’s earned a more generous sessions fee because he’s reliable and easy to work with. And he gets to do his own stuff on the DD downtime.
Andy and Warren get too invested in the music, which is normally very admirable. But the rest of the guys like a more democratic way of working, with everyone getting a fairly equal say. AT and WC dominate the writing process I suppose, and probably have a very strong opinion about the overall sound and direction of the music.
I’m sure a lot of you have worked on group projects before at work, and many times there’s one or two persons who dominate the project and it’s their way or no way and are unwilling to accept anyone else’s opinions even if no one else likes it. That can be hard to work with and demoralizing to the rest of the group so I can understand why the band would choose to not work with them. Already having to concede to 3 other opinions is hard enough. Having to do it with a 4th band member with very strong opinions and personality would be a nightmare.
I’m sure AT was less antagonistic in the beginning, probably happy to be in a band at all. Once the band started taking off, he probably started feeling more confident in his talent and skill and started pushing his views more strongly. Same with Warren. He started out as just a sessions player, and then little by little pushed his views into the band, until he was basically leading the group. Especially after Liberty and being granted full membership. He really was the one that motivated the rest of the band to continue writing. I almost can’t really blame him for taking ownership of the band, and acting like the boss to Simon. Everyone else was basically checking out—John was ready to leave during the Wedding Album, and Simon had one foot out the door with Pop Trash.
However I have to say that finding out that Who Do You Think You Are is about Warren really soured me against WC. It may be unfair, but I see Simon’s lyrics showing such vulnerability and hurt. I can’t help but feel sympathetic towards Simon.
By relegating AT and WC to just overlay their riffs on already written songs, and from a great distance(!), it may be the only way they and DD will ever be able to collaborate on music again!
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Post by oakey on Apr 23, 2019 12:29:27 GMT -5
Same with Warren. He started out as just a sessions player, and then little by little pushed his views into the band, until he was basically leading the group. Especially after Liberty and being granted full membership. He really was the one that motivated the rest of the band to continue writing. I almost can’t really blame him for taking ownership of the band, and acting like the boss to Simon. Everyone else was basically checking out—John was ready to leave during the Wedding Album, and Simon had one foot out the door with Pop Trash Fully agree and I also do not blame him. However, this version of DD (ie 2 original members and 3 sidekicks) is not the band I've grown up with and (still) love. Like DD's members, I also tuned out after/during Liberty (Violence of Summer was the main reason for abandonning them), only to return when the reunion happened. Since, I have grown fond of TWA (which is IMO - as I've said before - WC's *only* quality contribution to the Duran legacy) and - although I have tried - I do not see any merit in the other albums in which he was strongly involved, from Liberty to Pop Trash. There are occasional songs that I like though (less than a handful), but none can compete with any song AT was involved in. And yes, that includes the whole of Astronaut. Even Thank You is so far removed from anything DD stood for in their early years. The musical interpretation was not my problem with this album (the covers are all decent, yet not spectacular, with the exception of 911 which is embarrasing), but the selection of the songs. Come on, Led Zeppelin? The Doors? An inspiration for Duran Duran? Were these American rock bands ever mentioned in any interview between 1981 and 1988? Where are Roxy Music, David Bowie (okay, one bonus track) and T Rex? Or any of the other artists that were on JT's and NR's Only After Dark compilation? I always thought TY reflected WC's personal taste rather than Duran's. AT or WC phoning in their solos will not happen. What could be an option is to have them guest perform at 40th anniversary shows (probably not at the same shows). Or they could ask WC do be the guitarist for the North-American tour where his incarnation was successful (and where Missing Persons apparently was big) and AT for the European/UK tour
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Post by sa7733 on Apr 23, 2019 13:54:21 GMT -5
They let him go (fired him more or less) so they could have Andy back in the band for the reunion, at least that's what I understand. I guess there were also some severe tensions between Simon and Warren, and Simon was ready to just throw in the towel and retire the band rather than continue. ☝🏻 Also what I’ve read.
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Post by heskethbang on Apr 23, 2019 14:33:15 GMT -5
Andy, Warren - left, pushed - whatever - they're both great. But they are the past. I think Duran is far less listenable without a prominent guitarist. I disagree..Dom is very capable..he's just not maybe allowed to RIP it..he was amazing on AYNIN..being followed he rocked it ala Andy. He was spectacular on Mediterranea..and check him in extended version of Falling Down... 2 of my favorite guitar driven songs by new Duran Those are 2 of my favourites. The playing is nice, and very Andy Taylor but that's the whole point I'm making - he's been asked to play that way. If there is a unique Dom Brown guitar sound, we don't hear it in Duran stuff. He's just being a good session player working to a brief. What Duran needs is a guitar personality, but I don't think Nick would have it... lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 15:54:03 GMT -5
If this is true John does not remember the delusions on stage, but he forgot their "savior" without mercy, to shock everyone, if Duran are still there, a thing is on and for our happiness, it is swelling and egocentrics who want to go to the end, only groups that are still there resists time, real bastards especially Simon but we are happy, I love it ;;;;;;
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