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Post by coolbarn on May 9, 2016 14:48:40 GMT -5
I like doing that as well. But now, most of the threads on both boards are the same, as are the majority of the posters. Seems as though Coolbarn has made more of a home there then he has here lately! LOL Yes I have been lurking here lately rather than contributing which would certainly do a lot towards lifting morale and making these forums more a lot more pleasant! Sadly however my hiatus is at an end and I will be showing my face around here more often To answer the question I think the reason that Duran plays the same set list night after night is because they know they put on a great live show and are all perfectionists, and so know a good thing (and good setlist) when they're on to it. None of the band members seem to really enjoy rehearsing, and they probably realise that if they were to introduce another 10 or 15 tracks into the current pool from which to choose that this is going to take a lot of time and effort to achieve the same quality as the current setlist. I think Duran would rather master 20 songs which they play night after night and perform an amazing concert in full, rather than introduce new tracks and play half an amazing concert while the other half does not reach the same quality levels.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 14:57:01 GMT -5
I like doing that as well. But now, most of the threads on both boards are the same, as are the majority of the posters. Seems as though Coolbarn has made more of a home there then he has here lately! LOL Yes I have been lurking here lately rather than contributing which would certainly do a lot towards lifting morale and making these forums more a lot more pleasant! Sadly however my hiatus is at an end and I will be showing my face around here more often To answer the question I think the reason that Duran plays the same set list night after night is because they know they put on a great live show and are all perfectionists, and so know a good thing (and good setlist) when they're on to it. None of the band members seem to really enjoy rehearsing, and they probably realise that if they were to introduce another 10 or 15 tracks into the current pool from which to choose that this is going to take a lot of time and effort to achieve the same quality as the current setlist. I think Duran would rather master 20 songs which they play night after night and perform an amazing concert in full, rather than introduce new tracks and play half an amazing concert while the other half does not reach the same quality levels. See what happens when us girls miss you Cooly-B! I haven't been posting much lately either. I always peek in here though. Life has got in the way and I had to part with several East Coast show tickets sadly. I will only be attending the Mansfield (Boston) show. Back on topic. I just love Duran live. I am happy with whatever they play because I enjoy them live so much. I doubt they would ever do it, but I would love a no-hits club/theatre tour. Maybe someday.
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Post by Dr Of The Revolution on May 9, 2016 16:12:25 GMT -5
I'm not trying to stir up anything, but I honestly wonder if they are taking a wait and see approach due to Simon's voice. It faltered last fall in the US, and again on this last US tour. We all know what happened with the extended AYNIN tour. They have obviously scheduled several month long breaks since the tour started, which is great. Anyone notice anything over the course of the 11 or so shows played in the UK? Well I think you are onto something. I think his voice has suffered from the Uk tour too. I remember hearing it on youtube or reading some comments. As a matter of fact, I specifically went to the Cardiff show because it was the best bang for the buck and it was ideally scheduled : not the first show which will have mistakes, but not too late in the run so Simon's voice hasn't suffered too much already. With Europe not knowing if and when it will have shows, I'm glad I did attend the Cardiff concert.
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Post by stolenleopard on May 9, 2016 17:02:51 GMT -5
Simon was fine at Leeds and equally good at Newcastle. I think he's had a bad cold and not been able to take time to get properly better. I wonder if it makes any difference if there are a lot of outdoor gigs on the tour. He obviously wasn't well when they did Later with Jools Holland (painful to watch him struggle) but was great on Graham Norton and TFI Friday
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Post by andre005 on May 9, 2016 17:56:17 GMT -5
Simon was fine at Leeds and equally good at Newcastle. I think he's had a bad cold and not been able to take time to get properly better. I wonder if it makes any difference if there are a lot of outdoor gigs on the tour. He obviously wasn't well when they did Later with Jools Holland (painful to watch him struggle) but was great on Graham Norton and TFI Friday Could his issue then be the smoke (dry ice) during the concert set causing his voice issues?? He seems to be getting these throat issues near the end...and with no time to get better....I do want to see a healthy summer tour this year.....
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Post by stolenleopard on May 9, 2016 18:06:46 GMT -5
Let's hope he has a good rest until Oxford and Southampton. Should stay home and rest up.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 19:04:47 GMT -5
Oh for god sake...i will say it again. A COLD DOESNT LAST THREE MONTHS!! When Simon had trouble with this voice in 2011 he didn't just dose up on paracetamol /acetaminophen and chicken soup. Granted dry ice could be associated and certainly the mucosal layer in the sinuses thicken with age so sinus problems could be contributing to his voice issues . But the man is 57 and puts on a live performance of somebody half his age four times a week. He's tired undoubtedly and stiff as a poker. Poor posture does not provide a good foundation for abdominal breath control and control of airflow past the vocal chords. As a physio I've an active interest in this. Indeed as part of his rehab he has quoted that he has seen physiotherapists and osteopaths in addition to speech and language therapists and vocal coaches. www.express.co.uk/dayandnight/251004/Le-Bon-is-still-at-a-loss-after-voice-scareAnd this I found very interesting from DD.com So onto the technical stuff. I am lucky to have maintained good general level of fitness into my 50s. A big strong chest, strong arms, strong back & neck, strong core, arse & legs are all essential to good voice production. I think of myself as big taut resonator, made of muscle, bone & sinew. Getting rid of extraneous flab & gut has helped me enormously. I have learned to stand straight when I sing. Crucially, I have taught myself to sing while holding my neck straight, with chin in, & crown trying to touch the stars. If you look at old live shots, you’ll see me chin jutted out, shoulders rounded. This position is all wrong & unsustainable, it creates terrible neck & shoulder tension. What is worse, it flattens the tube that makes the sound. Imagine holding the cardboard tube from inside a roll of kitchen paper; holding it vertically in front of your face, one hand at the top, one at the bottom. Then imagine moving the grasping hands laterally away from each other, without changing the angle of them. As the tube goes from vertical to diagonal, it squashes & begins to fold. That’s what I used to do to my trachea when I sung. It is a very hard habit to break, but I feel I am making slow but steady progress. And if this is all starting to convey a feeling of tension – well it should, & … at the same time, it shouldn’t. You want to make yourself rigid in order to resonate, while at the same time keeping neck, head and throat muscles relaxed enough to do something like sustained vibrato. I think of the diaphragm as the chief provider of rigidity. Not because it creates tension, but because it creates the internal pressure which keeps the frame & the skin inflated. When you sing you NEVER STOP BREATHING. Inside, at the back of the throat & up near the soft palate is the pharynx, which you can lift; you lift it involuntarily every time you yawn. As a singer one learns to recognise the feeling of lifting & opening the pharynx. This is an essential factor in the production of sung notes, especially high notes!!! You learn to feel vibration & resonance: on the lips – “mm”. With the tongue you learn to feel it: on the hard palate – “nn” On the soft palate – “ng” You feel it it your head, & in your throat, & in your chest. You carry on learning to feel the resonance, further & further down your body you go. It may take years, but I have heard of singers who can feel it in their toes. Me? I have just about managed to get the feeling of vibration in my groin area. And right now, I’m quite happy with that. www.duranduran.com/wordpress/2015/simons-voice-on-paper-gods/As long as he's enjoying the vibration in his groin, it's never gonna reach his toes!
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Post by ttt on May 9, 2016 19:46:35 GMT -5
Simon was fine at Leeds and equally good at Newcastle. I think he's had a bad cold and not been able to take time to get properly better. I wonder if it makes any difference if there are a lot of outdoor gigs on the tour. He obviously wasn't well when they did Later with Jools Holland (painful to watch him struggle) but was great on Graham Norton and TFI Friday Could his issue then be the smoke (dry ice) during the concert set causing his voice issues?? He seems to be getting these throat issues near the end...and with no time to get better....I do want to see a healthy summer tour this year..... I think at this point it is pretty obvious that the dry ice is not only responsible for Simon's voice issues but also John's depression...
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Post by mynick7 on May 9, 2016 19:47:54 GMT -5
Oh for god sake...i will say it again. A COLD DOESNT LAST THREE MONTHS!! At least here in the Midwest of the US, many of us, including myself, have lingering symptoms of the flu/a cold for months on end. Why? The weather here is totally freaky, sometimes getting two to all four seasons weather-wise within a day or two. I work at Walgreens, and it is non-stop with people buying meds, trying to kick it for good. Now that it's spring, allergies factor into this as well. With all/most of the shows this past leg of the US tour having been outside and in amphitheatres, it could easily very well be hell for Simon! The cold itself may not last 3 months, cherry, but the symptoms can and have been lasting a hell of a lot longer for most people.
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Post by zealous on May 9, 2016 21:05:44 GMT -5
Oh for god sake...i will say it again. A COLD DOESNT LAST THREE MONTHS!! At least here in the Midwest of the US, many of us, including myself, have lingering symptoms of the flu/a cold for months on end. Why? The weather here is totally freaky, sometimes getting two to all four seasons weather-wise within a day or two. I work at Walgreens, and it is non-stop with people buying meds, trying to kick it for good. Now that it's spring, allergies factor into this as well. With all/most of the shows this past leg of the US tour having been outside and in amphitheatres, it could easily very well be hell for Simon! The cold itself may not last 3 months, cherry, but the symptoms can and have been lasting a hell of a lot longer for most people. All this^^^ I've mentioned here before how weather/humidity changes affect my own voice. And you are absolutely correct that weather is freaky in many places here. I have some cold symptoms that often last several months. My son has cold symptoms that last anywhere from a couple weeks to a couple months depending on the time of year. And sometimes you can't even tell when it's a cold and when it's allergy related and sometimes they overflow into each other. If I get a cold during allergy season I could easily have a stuffed up nose for 2+ months. I agree that a cold doesn't last months. But I also agree that some symptoms associated with colds can stick around for months. But someone who's already had vocal issues in the past is going to be more sensitive to these variances regardless.
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